CHL/NCAA

[ScoutLife4]

That account also doesn't understand what a commitment means.

 

[HockeyPops]

Good point
Ty Meunier - 26/27 commitment
Cooper Williams - 27/28 commitment

 

[ScoutLife4]

I believe the number is around 33% of NCAA commitments in Hockey actually go on to play NCAA hockey.
That BCHL account is so sour about his league turning to shit that he spends almost all of his time bashing CHL.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

How does one go to the NCAA in their 17 year old season? Fast track high school while playing WHL hockey? Hmmmmm...

You can take online AP courses now which helps a lot.

 

[Kingpin794]

You can take online AP courses now which helps a lot.

Getting the schooling done if probably the easy part. The hard part is getting ice time as a 17 year old. It's not done often but someone of Verhoeff's caliber should be fine.

 

[OHL4Life]

Getting the schooling done if probably the easy part. The hard part is getting ice time as a 17 year old. It's not done often but someone of Verhoeff's caliber should be fine.

100 percent. i remember a kid that was a top 10 pick but fell to the second round and then came to the ohl at 17 after the school he committed too told him he wasnt going to get anything other then 4th line minutes.

people dont get how hard it is to play at that level and how much schools do not want to babysit and develop kids. they want 20 years olds unless your a martone or misa.

 

[ohloutsider]

100 percent. i remember a kid that was a top 10 pick but fell to the second round and then came to the ohl at 17 after the school he committed too told him he wasnt going to get anything other then 4th line minutes.

people dont get how hard it is to play at that level and how much schools do not want to babysit and develop kids. they want 20 years olds unless your a martone or misa.

Another thing not mentioned here is the living arrangements in College. No Billet families for the 17 yr old kids. They are in dorms or finding their own place. Not sure many parents want their 16/17 yr old living in a dorm with older students?

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Generally speaking, the audit process would be mostly simple. In your example, a jersey may go in a charity silent auction for $25k but that isn’t what the player gets so it is about what the player gets. McKenna would sign a deal with the team where all “licensed” jersey sales with his name on the jersey nets him “$X” per jersey. What happens to that jersey after the team sells it is inconsequential.

Deloitte would not care about the total income of a player. They care about what the individual payments are. If a player can make $10mil collectively over a thousand transactions then so be it. But the player would need to prove they performed the services.

All of this is somewhat meaningless to Canadian players though. They are still International students that are in country on a Student Visa. They can only earn their income while on Canadian soil. There won’t be any Autograph signing events at the local car dealership. Any retweets they make as part of a sponsorship deal need to be tweeted from Canada. Skills camps need to take place in Canada.

None of this is impossible but I find it very hard to believe that these players are being paid these sums above board. The question is whether the auditors can find the undeclared payments, if there are undeclared payments. Henry Mews was the first to leave. I highly doubt he is collecting a dime from Michigan outside of his scholarship. I think most of the players are in the same boat. Only a small handful may be collecting a fee.

With respect to an unrestricted marketplace, there still is a fair market value. Jsut because one guy may sign some stupid crazy contract doesn’t mean that sets the fair market value. Social Media influencers are typically compensated based on multiple factors including number of followers, engagement with the post, product purchase codes used during purchases etc. This is nothing new. It is well established. It is no secret how much an autograph session is worth at trade shows etc. The player agents still do transactions for Hall of Fame players as well as non-athletes like Star Wars and Star Trek cast at events like Comicon. There ar loads of examples where FMV is well established or at least the framework is established.

Here's one way of stopping Deloitte.

 

[Kingpin794]

Here's one way of stopping Deloitte.

People can propose whatever they want. Doesn't mean it's getting through. Not to get too into the weeds but the bill shown in the tweet was proposed by MI State house Dems and the MI state house is R controlled currently. So good luck to em I guess.

 

[OHL4Life]

People can propose whatever they want. Doesn't mean it's getting through. Not to get too into the weeds but the bill shown in the tweet was proposed by MI State house Dems and the MI state house is R controlled currently. So good luck to em I guess.

correct me if im wrong but following alot of this from windsor, most of the time these bills are put out there for pr and less about actually getting passed?

 

[SpeedyCerviche]

That account is an anti CHL mouth piece that got all upset that his precious pirate league is now irrelevant.

Stop being a reactionary. List out what the WHL has gained as well.

Lol. I had to block him just because of the constant grandstanding negativity

 

[donjohnson]

correct me if im wrong but following alot of this from windsor, most of the time these bills are put out there for pr and less about actually getting passed?

Correct...like when Ohio put out a bill about no "flag-planting" at their stadium.

For eternity, there have been bills put out all the time that have zero chance of being passed...Twitter has given these bills and the fringe members of congress a major platform and now these things get picked up as mainstream news when they used to be outcasts in congress but still electable from their areas.

There are LOTS of NIL bills out there across the United States and it's a landscape that isn't going to get settled for years. Sometimes these things get bipartisan support and other times they die on the proposal board. You never really know.

 

[OMG67]

Here's one way of stopping Deloitte.

This would create a Wild West situation. No rules on spending? Just in one state? GLWT

 

[RayzorIsDull]

This would create a Wild West situation. No rules on spending? Just in one state? GLWT

State of Tennessee did this recently. Other schools have come out with some of their NIL numbers. This isn't hockey related but University of Missouri had 31 million in football NIL. Schools will eventually fight back because the NCAA are the ones that had NIL come in with zero guard rails. This is sort of a hail mary by the NCAA. They're depending on conferences to hold these schools to the competition agreement but the SEC hasn't done it with Tennessee.

This is what I mentioned earlier you can't allow the wild west for 3 years and then start capping things and preventing athletes to maximize their earnings. Auditing anything over $600 which is what they want to institute is quite frankly ridiculous.

 

[OMG67]

State of Tennessee did this recently. Other schools have come out with some of their NIL numbers. This isn't hockey related but University of Missouri had 31 million in football NIL. Schools will eventually fight back because the NCAA are the ones that had NIL come in with zero guard rails. This is sort of a hail mary by the NCAA. They're depending on conferences to hold these schools to the competition agreement but the SEC hasn't done it with Tennessee.

This is what I mentioned earlier you can't allow the wild west for 3 years and then start capping things and preventing athletes to maximize their earnings. Auditing anything over $600 which is what they want to institute is quite frankly ridiculous.

No one is trying to maximize earnings.

There are two revenue streams. The first is the profit sharing. Yes, there will be a maximization of that with some form of orderly disbursement plan. This is no different than the NHL Salary cap. All teams should have the same spending power to level the playing field. It is not like there is a draft so when one team has basically unlimited funds over another team that doesn’t they have a competitive advantage “recruiting.” Eventually the richer schools get richer and the poorer schools get poorer. That leads to an uncompetitive product and eventually it is less entertaining and it implodes.

The second revenue stream is the real NIL. Players can make as much as they want/can. If a player signs a sneaker deal and it is deemed fair market value, they are welcome to it. Same with other endorsement deals. If they want to do nothing int he summer other than run skills camps as the camp ambassador and make another $1mil in the offseason, then so be it. No one is trying to cap their earnings in that regard. They are leveraging their personal brand. It shouldn’t matter much which school they attend. The only caveat to this one is the Deloitte audit. This is to ensure money isn’t being diverted to the players to help top up Stream #1. I have no issues with this. If a School has $30mil allocated to spend on compensating Football players then that is what they have. It should not be $60mil because they managed to funnel an additional $30mil through team friendly partners with bullshit endorsement deals. All teams would have a max of $30mil on Football. Even playing field.

Like I said, with no draft element, this ends up being the exercise of buying players on the free market. The team with the most money wins. Imagine if the OHL had no draft and teams had the ability to give players a salary with no limits. You’d see all the best players all sign with London, Kitchener, Ottawa, and Oshawa (Forgive me if I unintentionally leave a team out and insult their fans). They’d get all the best players and the other teams would get the leftovers. How would the OHL look after 5 years?

 

[coolhandluc44]

On Elliot Friedman’s 32 thoughts it was stated that the there may be a vote to allow certain players be able to play in the AHL sooner. In this new landscape I think this could be good for the CHL. If you allow 4th year players or 19 year olds play in the AHL, maybe that stops some of the high end guys leaving after their draft year to NCAA if they know at most they just have to play one more year of major junior or maybe none for 4th year guys like a Martone.

If the real reason for going to NCAA is to play against older/stronger players, maybe the option to play some or all of their 19 year olds season in the AHL is a better route than that of being a student athlete

 

[tomschman]

I really don't see a 17yo playing in the NCAA. While they can graduate early, they will have trouble getting ice time against 18 to 24 yos, unless they have exceptional talent. If they are that good, they will be 1 and done in the NCAA since they will be in the NHL at 18. That would be players like Tavaras, McDavid, Ekblad and Bedard. I would also think players of this caliber would prefer to concentrate on hockey when they are 17.

 

[Nanabijou]

I really don't see a 17yo playing in the NCAA. While they can graduate early, they will have trouble getting ice time against 18 to 24 yos, unless they have exceptional talent. If they are that good, they will be 1 and done in the NCAA since they will be in the NHL at 18. That would be players like Tavaras, McDavid, Ekblad and Bedard. I would also think players of this caliber would prefer to concentrate on hockey when they are 17.

I don't disagree, but the one difference is that they can pick the ncaa school they want, with the facilities and coach that they think fits their development plan. In CHL, they go where they are drafted and it might be a franchise with issues.

 

[Leviathan899]

I really don't see a 17yo playing in the NCAA. While they can graduate early, they will have trouble getting ice time against 18 to 24 yos, unless they have exceptional talent. If they are that good, they will be 1 and done in the NCAA since they will be in the NHL at 18. That would be players like Tavaras, McDavid, Ekblad and Bedard. I would also think players of this caliber would prefer to concentrate on hockey when they are 17.

Agreed, in the end I think you see very few 17 year olds fast tracking their schooling and going. American players have had the option to do this forever and very few have. Like less than 1 per year id expect, on average. Verhoeff is an elite talent and a bjg kid, so I think he’s on of the few who should be absolutely fine for NoDak, but not many are in his boat.

 

[HockeyPops]

Remember too, that the NCAA is going to be stronger as a result of these changes. It is just going to be that much harder for 17/18 year olds to make an impact at this level.

 

[frontsfan67]

@OHL4Life any idea if this guy is a free agent? How do they figure out what league he is eligible for? I assume it’s the OHL since he’s from Michigan

Luke Osburn - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Luke Osburn, 2006-09-09 Plymouth, MI, USA USA. Most recently in the USHL with Youngstown Phantoms. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

If he’s eligible I wonder if he heads to flint or Saginaw. Flint only an hour away from his hometown of Plymouth

 

[HockeyPops]

Is anyone keeping track of all of the OHL -> NCAA commitments? I tried to dig them all up, let me know if I missed any:

Jackson Parsons - Clarkson U
Calem Mangone - LSSU
Cedrick Guindon - U of Vermont
Noah Morneau - Bowling Green State
Jacob Leblanc - MercyHurst U
Andrew Leblanc - MercyHurst U
Tyson Doucette - Colgate U
Owen Van Steensel - Clarkson U
Evan Konyen - RIT
Caedan Carlisle - U of Notre Dame
Pano Fimis - U of Notre Dame
Adrian Misaljevic - Clarkson U
Zachary Wigle - RIT
Noah Van Vliet - Sacred Heart U
Will Gerrior - U of Maine
P.J. Forgione - U of Vermont
Nolan Collins - Penn State
Kocha Delic - Miami U (Ohio)
Gavin Bryant - Sacred Heart U
Jonathan Melee - Sacred Heart U
Bruce McDonald - Robert Morris U
Zach Filak - U of Vermont
Nathan Krawchuk - RPI
Austin Elliott - U Mass-Lowell
Max Namestnikov - Bemidji State
Andrew Oke - LSSU
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine
Cole Brown - U of Notre Dame
Nicholas De Angelis - U of New Hampshire
Donovan McCoy - Providence College
Collin MacKenzie - RIT
Alec Leonard - Bentley U
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross
Jake Karabela - Ohio State
Charlie Schenkel - Robert Morris U
Ryan Abraham - Michigan Tech
Henry Mews - U of Michigan
Tnias Mathurin - U Mass-Lowell
Noah Powell - Arizona State U
Easton Wainwright - Colgate U
Matthew Mayich - Clarkson U
Luke Misa - Penn State
Ethan Hay - Miami U (Ohio)
Sam Hillebrandt - Ohio State
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan
Beau Jelsma - Providence College
Anthony Romani - Michigan State
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver
Sam Alfano - Arizona State
Dalyn Wakely - U Mass-Lowell
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan
Spencer Sova - U of Nebraska-Omaha
Jacob Oster - U of Vermont
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State
Mathew Mania - U of Michigan

That's a scary list at first glance. But if you separate out the players that aged out, it's a much shorter list

Aged Out:
Jackson Parsons - Clarkson U 2004
Calem Mangone - LSSU 2004
Cedrick Guindon - U of Vermont 2004
Noah Morneau - Bowling Green State 2004
Jacob Leblanc - MercyHurst U 2004
Andrew Leblanc - MercyHurst U 2004
Tyson Doucette - Colgate U 2004
Owen Van Steensel - Clarkson U 2004
Evan Konyen - RIT 2004
Caedan Carlisle - U of Notre Dame 2004
Pano Fimis - U of Notre Dame 2004
Adrian Misaljevic - Clarkson U 2004
Zachary Wigle - RIT 2004
Noah Van Vliet - Sacred Heart U 2004
Will Gerrior - U of Maine 2004
P.J. Forgione - U of Vermont 2004
Nolan Collins - Penn State 2004
Kocha Delic - Miami U (Ohio) 2004
Gavin Bryant - Sacred Heart U 2004
Jonathan Melee - Sacred Heart U 2004
Bruce McDonald - Robert Morris U 2004
Zach Filak - U of Vermont 2004
Austin Elliott - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Max Namestnikov - Bemidji State 2004
Andrew Oke - LSSU 2004
Nicholas De Angelis - U of New Hampshire 2004
Collin MacKenzie - RIT 2004
Alec Leonard - Bentley U 2004
Jake Karabela - Ohio State 2004
Charlie Schenkel - Robert Morris U 2004
Ryan Abraham - Michigan Tech 2004
Tnias Mathurin - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Matthew Mayich - Clarkson U 2004
Beau Jelsma - Providence College 2004
Sam Alfano - Arizona State 2004
Dalyn Wakely - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Spencer Sova - U of Nebraska-Omaha 2004
Jacob Oster - U of Vermont 2004

Would have been OAs/USports/AHL:
Nathan Krawchuk - RPI 2005
Cole Brown - U of Notre Dame 2005
Donovan McCoy - Providence College 2005
Noah Powell - Arizona State U 2005
Easton Wainwright - Colgate U 2005
Luke Misa - Penn State 2005
Ethan Hay - Miami U (Ohio) 2005
Sam Hillebrandt - Ohio State 2005
Anthony Romani - Michigan State 2005
Mathew Mania - U of Michigan 2005

The rest:
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine 2006
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross 2006
Henry Mews - U of Michigan 2006
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan 2006
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver 2006
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan 2007
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State 2008

And then finally, if you look at the year of their commitment, some are coming back anyway before their commitment starts:

Commitment is for the future:
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine 2006 - 2027-2028
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross 2006 - 2027-2028
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State 2008 - 2026-2027

Commitment is for this year:
Henry Mews - U of Michigan 2006 - 2025-2026
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan 2006 - 2025-2026
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver 2006 - 2025-2026
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan 2007 - 2025-2026

So, from that whole big list, so far we are talking about 5 players who are cutting their OHL standard player contract short, and 10 more players who *could* have returned as OAs (although probably not all would have)?

In return, the CHL leagues are now head and shoulders above any other junior league. We are getting a bunch of players from last year's draft to finally commit, we are likely getting every player from this year's draft to commit. We are also getting 3 imports per team, and probably many more top tier imports. Yes, the league might be getting slightly younger, but I would take these tradeoffs any day. Just my opinion.

EDIT: Updated Leblanc brothers

 

[OMG67]

Is anyone keeping track of all of the OHL -> NCAA commitments? I tried to dig them all up, let me know if I missed any:

Jackson Parsons - Clarkson U
Calem Mangone - LSSU
Cedrick Guindon - U of Vermont
Noah Morneau - Bowling Green State
Jacob Leblanc - Princeton U
Andrew Leblanc - Princeton U
Tyson Doucette - Colgate U
Owen Van Steensel - Clarkson U
Evan Konyen - RIT
Caedan Carlisle - U of Notre Dame
Pano Fimis - U of Notre Dame
Adrian Misaljevic - Clarkson U
Zachary Wigle - RIT
Noah Van Vliet - Sacred Heart U
Will Gerrior - U of Maine
P.J. Forgione - U of Vermont
Nolan Collins - Penn State
Kocha Delic - Miami U (Ohio)
Gavin Bryant - Sacred Heart U
Jonathan Melee - Sacred Heart U
Bruce McDonald - Robert Morris U
Zach Filak - U of Vermont
Nathan Krawchuk - RPI
Austin Elliott - U Mass-Lowell
Max Namestnikov - Bemidji State
Andrew Oke - LSSU
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine
Cole Brown - U of Notre Dame
Nicholas De Angelis - U of New Hampshire
Donovan McCoy - Providence College
Collin MacKenzie - RIT
Alec Leonard - Bentley U
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross
Jake Karabela - Ohio State
Charlie Schenkel - Robert Morris U
Ryan Abraham - Michigan Tech
Henry Mews - U of Michigan
Tnias Mathurin - U Mass-Lowell
Noah Powell - Arizona State U
Easton Wainwright - Colgate U
Matthew Mayich - Clarkson U
Luke Misa - Penn State
Ethan Hay - Miami U (Ohio)
Sam Hillebrandt - Ohio State
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan
Beau Jelsma - Providence College
Anthony Romani - Michigan State
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver
Sam Alfano - Arizona State
Dalyn Wakely - U Mass-Lowell
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan
Spencer Sova - U of Nebraska-Omaha
Jacob Oster - U of Vermont
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State
Mathew Mania - U of Michigan

That's a scary list at first glance. But if you separate out the players that aged out, it's a much shorter list

Aged Out:
Jackson Parsons - Clarkson U 2004
Calem Mangone - LSSU 2004
Cedrick Guindon - U of Vermont 2004
Noah Morneau - Bowling Green State 2004
Jacob Leblanc - Princeton U 2004
Andrew Leblanc - Princeton U 2004
Tyson Doucette - Colgate U 2004
Owen Van Steensel - Clarkson U 2004
Evan Konyen - RIT 2004
Caedan Carlisle - U of Notre Dame 2004
Pano Fimis - U of Notre Dame 2004
Adrian Misaljevic - Clarkson U 2004
Zachary Wigle - RIT 2004
Noah Van Vliet - Sacred Heart U 2004
Will Gerrior - U of Maine 2004
P.J. Forgione - U of Vermont 2004
Nolan Collins - Penn State 2004
Kocha Delic - Miami U (Ohio) 2004
Gavin Bryant - Sacred Heart U 2004
Jonathan Melee - Sacred Heart U 2004
Bruce McDonald - Robert Morris U 2004
Zach Filak - U of Vermont 2004
Austin Elliott - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Max Namestnikov - Bemidji State 2004
Andrew Oke - LSSU 2004
Nicholas De Angelis - U of New Hampshire 2004
Collin MacKenzie - RIT 2004
Alec Leonard - Bentley U 2004
Jake Karabela - Ohio State 2004
Charlie Schenkel - Robert Morris U 2004
Ryan Abraham - Michigan Tech 2004
Tnias Mathurin - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Matthew Mayich - Clarkson U 2004
Beau Jelsma - Providence College 2004
Sam Alfano - Arizona State 2004
Dalyn Wakely - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Spencer Sova - U of Nebraska-Omaha 2004
Jacob Oster - U of Vermont 2004

Would have been OAs/USports/AHL:
Nathan Krawchuk - RPI 2005
Cole Brown - U of Notre Dame 2005
Donovan McCoy - Providence College 2005
Noah Powell - Arizona State U 2005
Easton Wainwright - Colgate U 2005
Luke Misa - Penn State 2005
Ethan Hay - Miami U (Ohio) 2005
Sam Hillebrandt - Ohio State 2005
Anthony Romani - Michigan State 2005
Mathew Mania - U of Michigan 2005

The rest:
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine 2006
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross 2006
Henry Mews - U of Michigan 2006
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan 2006
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver 2006
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan 2007
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State 2008

And then finally, if you look at the year of their commitment, some are coming back anyway before their commitment starts:

Commitment is for the future:
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine 2006 - 2027-2028
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross 2006 - 2027-2028
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State 2008 - 2026-2027

Commitment is for this year:
Henry Mews - U of Michigan 2006 - 2025-2026
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan 2006 - 2025-2026
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver 2006 - 2025-2026
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan 2007 - 2025-2026

So, from that whole big list, so far we are talking about 5 players who are cutting their OHL standard player contract short, and 10 more players who *could* have returned as OAs (although probably not all would have)?

In return, the CHL leagues are now head and shoulders above any other junior league. We are getting a bunch of players from last year's draft to finally commit, we are likely getting every player from this year's draft to commit. We are also getting 3 imports per team, and probably many more top tier imports. Yes, the league might be getting slightly younger, but I would take these tradeoffs any day. Just my opinion.

Great list. On top of that, there is the possibility of the NHL signing them prior to departure. If Calgary signs Mews this summer, he’s back in the OHL.

 

[OttersFan]

Is anyone keeping track of all of the OHL -> NCAA commitments? I tried to dig them all up, let me know if I missed any:

Jackson Parsons - Clarkson U
Calem Mangone - LSSU
Cedrick Guindon - U of Vermont
Noah Morneau - Bowling Green State
Jacob Leblanc - Princeton U
Andrew Leblanc - Princeton U
Tyson Doucette - Colgate U
Owen Van Steensel - Clarkson U
Evan Konyen - RIT
Caedan Carlisle - U of Notre Dame
Pano Fimis - U of Notre Dame
Adrian Misaljevic - Clarkson U
Zachary Wigle - RIT
Noah Van Vliet - Sacred Heart U
Will Gerrior - U of Maine
P.J. Forgione - U of Vermont
Nolan Collins - Penn State
Kocha Delic - Miami U (Ohio)
Gavin Bryant - Sacred Heart U
Jonathan Melee - Sacred Heart U
Bruce McDonald - Robert Morris U
Zach Filak - U of Vermont
Nathan Krawchuk - RPI
Austin Elliott - U Mass-Lowell
Max Namestnikov - Bemidji State
Andrew Oke - LSSU
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine
Cole Brown - U of Notre Dame
Nicholas De Angelis - U of New Hampshire
Donovan McCoy - Providence College
Collin MacKenzie - RIT
Alec Leonard - Bentley U
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross
Jake Karabela - Ohio State
Charlie Schenkel - Robert Morris U
Ryan Abraham - Michigan Tech
Henry Mews - U of Michigan
Tnias Mathurin - U Mass-Lowell
Noah Powell - Arizona State U
Easton Wainwright - Colgate U
Matthew Mayich - Clarkson U
Luke Misa - Penn State
Ethan Hay - Miami U (Ohio)
Sam Hillebrandt - Ohio State
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan
Beau Jelsma - Providence College
Anthony Romani - Michigan State
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver
Sam Alfano - Arizona State
Dalyn Wakely - U Mass-Lowell
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan
Spencer Sova - U of Nebraska-Omaha
Jacob Oster - U of Vermont
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State
Mathew Mania - U of Michigan

That's a scary list at first glance. But if you separate out the players that aged out, it's a much shorter list

Aged Out:
Jackson Parsons - Clarkson U 2004
Calem Mangone - LSSU 2004
Cedrick Guindon - U of Vermont 2004
Noah Morneau - Bowling Green State 2004
Jacob Leblanc - Princeton U 2004
Andrew Leblanc - Princeton U 2004
Tyson Doucette - Colgate U 2004
Owen Van Steensel - Clarkson U 2004
Evan Konyen - RIT 2004
Caedan Carlisle - U of Notre Dame 2004
Pano Fimis - U of Notre Dame 2004
Adrian Misaljevic - Clarkson U 2004
Zachary Wigle - RIT 2004
Noah Van Vliet - Sacred Heart U 2004
Will Gerrior - U of Maine 2004
P.J. Forgione - U of Vermont 2004
Nolan Collins - Penn State 2004
Kocha Delic - Miami U (Ohio) 2004
Gavin Bryant - Sacred Heart U 2004
Jonathan Melee - Sacred Heart U 2004
Bruce McDonald - Robert Morris U 2004
Zach Filak - U of Vermont 2004
Austin Elliott - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Max Namestnikov - Bemidji State 2004
Andrew Oke - LSSU 2004
Nicholas De Angelis - U of New Hampshire 2004
Collin MacKenzie - RIT 2004
Alec Leonard - Bentley U 2004
Jake Karabela - Ohio State 2004
Charlie Schenkel - Robert Morris U 2004
Ryan Abraham - Michigan Tech 2004
Tnias Mathurin - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Matthew Mayich - Clarkson U 2004
Beau Jelsma - Providence College 2004
Sam Alfano - Arizona State 2004
Dalyn Wakely - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Spencer Sova - U of Nebraska-Omaha 2004
Jacob Oster - U of Vermont 2004

Would have been OAs/USports/AHL:
Nathan Krawchuk - RPI 2005
Cole Brown - U of Notre Dame 2005
Donovan McCoy - Providence College 2005
Noah Powell - Arizona State U 2005
Easton Wainwright - Colgate U 2005
Luke Misa - Penn State 2005
Ethan Hay - Miami U (Ohio) 2005
Sam Hillebrandt - Ohio State 2005
Anthony Romani - Michigan State 2005
Mathew Mania - U of Michigan 2005

The rest:
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine 2006
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross 2006
Henry Mews - U of Michigan 2006
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan 2006
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver 2006
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan 2007
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State 2008

And then finally, if you look at the year of their commitment, some are coming back anyway before their commitment starts:

Commitment is for the future:
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine 2006 - 2027-2028
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross 2006 - 2027-2028
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State 2008 - 2026-2027

Commitment is for this year:
Henry Mews - U of Michigan 2006 - 2025-2026
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan 2006 - 2025-2026
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver 2006 - 2025-2026
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan 2007 - 2025-2026

So, from that whole big list, so far we are talking about 5 players who are cutting their OHL standard player contract short, and 10 more players who *could* have returned as OAs (although probably not all would have)?

In return, the CHL leagues are now head and shoulders above any other junior league. We are getting a bunch of players from last year's draft to finally commit, we are likely getting every player from this year's draft to commit. We are also getting 3 imports per team, and probably many more top tier imports. Yes, the league might be getting slightly younger, but I would take these tradeoffs any day. Just my opinion.

The Leblanc brothers are going to Mercyhurst

 

[coolhandluc44]

Is anyone keeping track of all of the OHL -> NCAA commitments? I tried to dig them all up, let me know if I missed any:

Jackson Parsons - Clarkson U
Calem Mangone - LSSU
Cedrick Guindon - U of Vermont
Noah Morneau - Bowling Green State
Jacob Leblanc - MercyHurst U
Andrew Leblanc - MercyHurst U
Tyson Doucette - Colgate U
Owen Van Steensel - Clarkson U
Evan Konyen - RIT
Caedan Carlisle - U of Notre Dame
Pano Fimis - U of Notre Dame
Adrian Misaljevic - Clarkson U
Zachary Wigle - RIT
Noah Van Vliet - Sacred Heart U
Will Gerrior - U of Maine
P.J. Forgione - U of Vermont
Nolan Collins - Penn State
Kocha Delic - Miami U (Ohio)
Gavin Bryant - Sacred Heart U
Jonathan Melee - Sacred Heart U
Bruce McDonald - Robert Morris U
Zach Filak - U of Vermont
Nathan Krawchuk - RPI
Austin Elliott - U Mass-Lowell
Max Namestnikov - Bemidji State
Andrew Oke - LSSU
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine
Cole Brown - U of Notre Dame
Nicholas De Angelis - U of New Hampshire
Donovan McCoy - Providence College
Collin MacKenzie - RIT
Alec Leonard - Bentley U
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross
Jake Karabela - Ohio State
Charlie Schenkel - Robert Morris U
Ryan Abraham - Michigan Tech
Henry Mews - U of Michigan
Tnias Mathurin - U Mass-Lowell
Noah Powell - Arizona State U
Easton Wainwright - Colgate U
Matthew Mayich - Clarkson U
Luke Misa - Penn State
Ethan Hay - Miami U (Ohio)
Sam Hillebrandt - Ohio State
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan
Beau Jelsma - Providence College
Anthony Romani - Michigan State
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver
Sam Alfano - Arizona State
Dalyn Wakely - U Mass-Lowell
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan
Spencer Sova - U of Nebraska-Omaha
Jacob Oster - U of Vermont
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State
Mathew Mania - U of Michigan

That's a scary list at first glance. But if you separate out the players that aged out, it's a much shorter list

Aged Out:
Jackson Parsons - Clarkson U 2004
Calem Mangone - LSSU 2004
Cedrick Guindon - U of Vermont 2004
Noah Morneau - Bowling Green State 2004
Jacob Leblanc - MercyHurst U 2004
Andrew Leblanc - MercyHurst U 2004
Tyson Doucette - Colgate U 2004
Owen Van Steensel - Clarkson U 2004
Evan Konyen - RIT 2004
Caedan Carlisle - U of Notre Dame 2004
Pano Fimis - U of Notre Dame 2004
Adrian Misaljevic - Clarkson U 2004
Zachary Wigle - RIT 2004
Noah Van Vliet - Sacred Heart U 2004
Will Gerrior - U of Maine 2004
P.J. Forgione - U of Vermont 2004
Nolan Collins - Penn State 2004
Kocha Delic - Miami U (Ohio) 2004
Gavin Bryant - Sacred Heart U 2004
Jonathan Melee - Sacred Heart U 2004
Bruce McDonald - Robert Morris U 2004
Zach Filak - U of Vermont 2004
Austin Elliott - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Max Namestnikov - Bemidji State 2004
Andrew Oke - LSSU 2004
Nicholas De Angelis - U of New Hampshire 2004
Collin MacKenzie - RIT 2004
Alec Leonard - Bentley U 2004
Jake Karabela - Ohio State 2004
Charlie Schenkel - Robert Morris U 2004
Ryan Abraham - Michigan Tech 2004
Tnias Mathurin - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Matthew Mayich - Clarkson U 2004
Beau Jelsma - Providence College 2004
Sam Alfano - Arizona State 2004
Dalyn Wakely - U Mass-Lowell 2004
Spencer Sova - U of Nebraska-Omaha 2004
Jacob Oster - U of Vermont 2004

Would have been OAs/USports/AHL:
Nathan Krawchuk - RPI 2005
Cole Brown - U of Notre Dame 2005
Donovan McCoy - Providence College 2005
Noah Powell - Arizona State U 2005
Easton Wainwright - Colgate U 2005
Luke Misa - Penn State 2005
Ethan Hay - Miami U (Ohio) 2005
Sam Hillebrandt - Ohio State 2005
Anthony Romani - Michigan State 2005
Mathew Mania - U of Michigan 2005

The rest:
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine 2006
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross 2006
Henry Mews - U of Michigan 2006
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan 2006
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver 2006
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan 2007
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State 2008

And then finally, if you look at the year of their commitment, some are coming back anyway before their commitment starts:

Commitment is for the future:
Evan Van Gorp - U of Maine 2006 - 2027-2028
Masen Wray - College of the Holy Cross 2006 - 2027-2028
Pierce Mbuyi - Penn State 2008 - 2026-2027

Commitment is for this year:
Henry Mews - U of Michigan 2006 - 2025-2026
Malcolm Spence - U of Michigan 2006 - 2025-2026
Kristian Epperson - U of Denver 2006 - 2025-2026
Jack Ivankovic - U of Michigan 2007 - 2025-2026

So, from that whole big list, so far we are talking about 5 players who are cutting their OHL standard player contract short, and 10 more players who *could* have returned as OAs (although probably not all would have)?

In return, the CHL leagues are now head and shoulders above any other junior league. We are getting a bunch of players from last year's draft to finally commit, we are likely getting every player from this year's draft to commit. We are also getting 3 imports per team, and probably many more top tier imports. Yes, the league might be getting slightly younger, but I would take these tradeoffs any day. Just my opinion.

EDIT: Updated Leblanc brothers

If the rumors are true about 19 year olds being able to play in the AHL soon, it will be very interesting to see how that shakes up even more. I have been on record saying that with the new landscape, I think that would actually be good for the CHL/OHL to keep D+1 players and them not going NCAA.