CHL/NCAA

[ScoutLife4]

That account also doesn't understand what a commitment means.

 

[HockeyPops]

Good point
Ty Meunier - 26/27 commitment
Cooper Williams - 27/28 commitment

 

[ScoutLife4]

I believe the number is around 33% of NCAA commitments in Hockey actually go on to play NCAA hockey.
That BCHL account is so sour about his league turning to shit that he spends almost all of his time bashing CHL.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

How does one go to the NCAA in their 17 year old season? Fast track high school while playing WHL hockey? Hmmmmm...

You can take online AP courses now which helps a lot.

 

[Kingpin794]

You can take online AP courses now which helps a lot.

Getting the schooling done if probably the easy part. The hard part is getting ice time as a 17 year old. It's not done often but someone of Verhoeff's caliber should be fine.

 

[OHL4Life]

Getting the schooling done if probably the easy part. The hard part is getting ice time as a 17 year old. It's not done often but someone of Verhoeff's caliber should be fine.

100 percent. i remember a kid that was a top 10 pick but fell to the second round and then came to the ohl at 17 after the school he committed too told him he wasnt going to get anything other then 4th line minutes.

people dont get how hard it is to play at that level and how much schools do not want to babysit and develop kids. they want 20 years olds unless your a martone or misa.

 

[ohloutsider]

100 percent. i remember a kid that was a top 10 pick but fell to the second round and then came to the ohl at 17 after the school he committed too told him he wasnt going to get anything other then 4th line minutes.

people dont get how hard it is to play at that level and how much schools do not want to babysit and develop kids. they want 20 years olds unless your a martone or misa.

Another thing not mentioned here is the living arrangements in College. No Billet families for the 17 yr old kids. They are in dorms or finding their own place. Not sure many parents want their 16/17 yr old living in a dorm with older students?

 

[RayzorIsDull]

Generally speaking, the audit process would be mostly simple. In your example, a jersey may go in a charity silent auction for $25k but that isn’t what the player gets so it is about what the player gets. McKenna would sign a deal with the team where all “licensed” jersey sales with his name on the jersey nets him “$X” per jersey. What happens to that jersey after the team sells it is inconsequential.

Deloitte would not care about the total income of a player. They care about what the individual payments are. If a player can make $10mil collectively over a thousand transactions then so be it. But the player would need to prove they performed the services.

All of this is somewhat meaningless to Canadian players though. They are still International students that are in country on a Student Visa. They can only earn their income while on Canadian soil. There won’t be any Autograph signing events at the local car dealership. Any retweets they make as part of a sponsorship deal need to be tweeted from Canada. Skills camps need to take place in Canada.

None of this is impossible but I find it very hard to believe that these players are being paid these sums above board. The question is whether the auditors can find the undeclared payments, if there are undeclared payments. Henry Mews was the first to leave. I highly doubt he is collecting a dime from Michigan outside of his scholarship. I think most of the players are in the same boat. Only a small handful may be collecting a fee.

With respect to an unrestricted marketplace, there still is a fair market value. Jsut because one guy may sign some stupid crazy contract doesn’t mean that sets the fair market value. Social Media influencers are typically compensated based on multiple factors including number of followers, engagement with the post, product purchase codes used during purchases etc. This is nothing new. It is well established. It is no secret how much an autograph session is worth at trade shows etc. The player agents still do transactions for Hall of Fame players as well as non-athletes like Star Wars and Star Trek cast at events like Comicon. There ar loads of examples where FMV is well established or at least the framework is established.

Here's one way of stopping Deloitte.

 

[Kingpin794]

Here's one way of stopping Deloitte.

People can propose whatever they want. Doesn't mean it's getting through. Not to get too into the weeds but the bill shown in the tweet was proposed by MI State house Dems and the MI state house is R controlled currently. So good luck to em I guess.

 

[OHL4Life]

People can propose whatever they want. Doesn't mean it's getting through. Not to get too into the weeds but the bill shown in the tweet was proposed by MI State house Dems and the MI state house is R controlled currently. So good luck to em I guess.

correct me if im wrong but following alot of this from windsor, most of the time these bills are put out there for pr and less about actually getting passed?

 

[SpeedyCerviche]

That account is an anti CHL mouth piece that got all upset that his precious pirate league is now irrelevant.

Stop being a reactionary. List out what the WHL has gained as well.

Lol. I had to block him just because of the constant grandstanding negativity

 

[donjohnson]

correct me if im wrong but following alot of this from windsor, most of the time these bills are put out there for pr and less about actually getting passed?

Correct...like when Ohio put out a bill about no "flag-planting" at their stadium.

For eternity, there have been bills put out all the time that have zero chance of being passed...Twitter has given these bills and the fringe members of congress a major platform and now these things get picked up as mainstream news when they used to be outcasts in congress but still electable from their areas.

There are LOTS of NIL bills out there across the United States and it's a landscape that isn't going to get settled for years. Sometimes these things get bipartisan support and other times they die on the proposal board. You never really know.

 

[OMG67]

Here's one way of stopping Deloitte.

This would create a Wild West situation. No rules on spending? Just in one state? GLWT

 

[RayzorIsDull]

This would create a Wild West situation. No rules on spending? Just in one state? GLWT

State of Tennessee did this recently. Other schools have come out with some of their NIL numbers. This isn't hockey related but University of Missouri had 31 million in football NIL. Schools will eventually fight back because the NCAA are the ones that had NIL come in with zero guard rails. This is sort of a hail mary by the NCAA. They're depending on conferences to hold these schools to the competition agreement but the SEC hasn't done it with Tennessee.

This is what I mentioned earlier you can't allow the wild west for 3 years and then start capping things and preventing athletes to maximize their earnings. Auditing anything over $600 which is what they want to institute is quite frankly ridiculous.

 

[OMG67]

State of Tennessee did this recently. Other schools have come out with some of their NIL numbers. This isn't hockey related but University of Missouri had 31 million in football NIL. Schools will eventually fight back because the NCAA are the ones that had NIL come in with zero guard rails. This is sort of a hail mary by the NCAA. They're depending on conferences to hold these schools to the competition agreement but the SEC hasn't done it with Tennessee.

This is what I mentioned earlier you can't allow the wild west for 3 years and then start capping things and preventing athletes to maximize their earnings. Auditing anything over $600 which is what they want to institute is quite frankly ridiculous.

No one is trying to maximize earnings.

There are two revenue streams. The first is the profit sharing. Yes, there will be a maximization of that with some form of orderly disbursement plan. This is no different than the NHL Salary cap. All teams should have the same spending power to level the playing field. It is not like there is a draft so when one team has basically unlimited funds over another team that doesn’t they have a competitive advantage “recruiting.” Eventually the richer schools get richer and the poorer schools get poorer. That leads to an uncompetitive product and eventually it is less entertaining and it implodes.

The second revenue stream is the real NIL. Players can make as much as they want/can. If a player signs a sneaker deal and it is deemed fair market value, they are welcome to it. Same with other endorsement deals. If they want to do nothing int he summer other than run skills camps as the camp ambassador and make another $1mil in the offseason, then so be it. No one is trying to cap their earnings in that regard. They are leveraging their personal brand. It shouldn’t matter much which school they attend. The only caveat to this one is the Deloitte audit. This is to ensure money isn’t being diverted to the players to help top up Stream #1. I have no issues with this. If a School has $30mil allocated to spend on compensating Football players then that is what they have. It should not be $60mil because they managed to funnel an additional $30mil through team friendly partners with bullshit endorsement deals. All teams would have a max of $30mil on Football. Even playing field.

Like I said, with no draft element, this ends up being the exercise of buying players on the free market. The team with the most money wins. Imagine if the OHL had no draft and teams had the ability to give players a salary with no limits. You’d see all the best players all sign with London, Kitchener, Ottawa, and Oshawa (Forgive me if I unintentionally leave a team out and insult their fans). They’d get all the best players and the other teams would get the leftovers. How would the OHL look after 5 years?