JoeSchmo
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The average age of the last five memorial cup champions was approximately 19.5 years of age.
The average age of the last five NCAA champions is approximately 22 years of age. NHL champs over the last five seasons averaged about 27 yrs of age. (Quant Hockey Stats)
Based on the above, one could argue that there is no bigger determinative factor to success in the CHL and NCAA than elite skill and the age factor.
The level of growth each year at this stage of their development is substantial as evident by watching 19/20-year-old skill players play against 17/18-year-olds. (Knights vs Rangers last night).
The London Knights understand this better than most and I would guess so do most of the top ranked NCAA D1 programs. Why then try and recruit 18/19 yr olds CHL players when you could have them at 20. In addition, why would kids jeopardize losing an $80-$100,000 CHL school package by leaving early.
I believe there may be a scenario in the near future where the NCAA becomes the preeminent development path for North American NHL players, much the same way that most North American pro basketball and football players come through the NCAA.
Perhaps it's an increase in the number of D1 programs along with an increase in number of games played or simply the recognition that age and development is integral to long term success.
The average age of the last five NCAA champions is approximately 22 years of age. NHL champs over the last five seasons averaged about 27 yrs of age. (Quant Hockey Stats)
Based on the above, one could argue that there is no bigger determinative factor to success in the CHL and NCAA than elite skill and the age factor.
The level of growth each year at this stage of their development is substantial as evident by watching 19/20-year-old skill players play against 17/18-year-olds. (Knights vs Rangers last night).
The London Knights understand this better than most and I would guess so do most of the top ranked NCAA D1 programs. Why then try and recruit 18/19 yr olds CHL players when you could have them at 20. In addition, why would kids jeopardize losing an $80-$100,000 CHL school package by leaving early.
I believe there may be a scenario in the near future where the NCAA becomes the preeminent development path for North American NHL players, much the same way that most North American pro basketball and football players come through the NCAA.
Perhaps it's an increase in the number of D1 programs along with an increase in number of games played or simply the recognition that age and development is integral to long term success.
coolhandluc44
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Good points. Also its important to remember that your scholarship in NCAA is not guaranteed year after year. And not all scholarships are 100%. Maybe your CHL package might cover some of the remainder but it might not cover all of it. Plus if you left before your 19 year old season, the scholarship package will not be honoured by the OHL. So if XYZ school offers me a 50% scholarship, and I leave before finishing my 19 year old season, where is the remaining 50% coming from? And these are schools in the States which are much more expensive than schools in Ontario.
From a school cost perspective, I think it makes sense for players to finish their 19 year old season in the CHL. One it means you get to keep your CHL education package, and two it means more available money to offset any remaining cost your NCAA scholarship may not cover if you are not on a full ride package
EvenSteven
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OHL green lights aggressive expansion plan
After a recent vote allowing Canadian Hockey League players to join men’s Division I NCAA hockey starting next season, one of the CHL's leagues is now eyeing expansion.
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Whoa!OHL green lights aggressive expansion plan
After a recent vote allowing Canadian Hockey League players to join men’s Division I NCAA hockey starting next season, one of the CHL's leagues is now eyeing expansion.www.sportsnet.ca
EvenSteven
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The only part of this that doesn’t make sense to me is Crawford being adamant that a team back in the Toronto area is a must.
coolhandluc44
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I have a crazy Toronto expansion idea
- The team is plays out of Varisty arena at the University of Toronto. I know the arena needs a renovation, but imagine nice new seats, video board and lighting etc. The Brantford Civic Centre was a dump before the renovations happened for the Bulldogs so anything is possible. I have never been to this facility so I don't know the shape but it looks like it can hold about 4000. Maybe you even call the team the Toronto Varsity Blues, maybe have a student band section and try to market it like it where an NCAA team in the OHL.
- The teams plays out of the old Maple Leaf Gardens. I know this venue is on the really small size (I believe 2600 capacity). Maybe there is a way you could get 400 more bodies in there to make it 3000. Maybe call the team the Arena's or St Pats. You would try and get fans the allure of seeing competitive hockey back at Maple Leaf Gardens
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Burlington would support a team. Totally different demographic from what they've already tried. Problem is, their arena is a minimum 5 years away
Sounding the alarm on the state of hockey in North America
Seismic changes in the junior hockey landscape pit Canada and the U.S. against each other – when they need to...
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HockeyPops
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From Frank Seravelli’s “we all just need to get along” to this completely uniformed, bomb throwing idiot.
Apparently the CHL sucks and the NCAA is better than the AHL.
Under the great coach N, by the way, Michigan hasn’t won a damn thing
Apparently the CHL sucks and the NCAA is better than the AHL.
Under the great coach N, by the way, Michigan hasn’t won a damn thing
To be fair what he is trying to say is that the real competition for 19-21 year old players will be between a program like his and the AHL. He believes that high end players will develop better at Michigan than the AHL.
And yes, of course an AHL team would smoke a college team, that is not what this is about but rather where can players best develop.
If his assertion is the NCAA is a better path based on superior competition as it relates to the CHL (an erroneous assertion based on the superior talent level in the CHL of the 18-20 age group), how then does it follow that the NCAA is a superior developmental path to the AHL if, as you’ve stated, the AHL has superior competition? And this doesn’t even take into account development within the systems of your drafted NHL team, a very important component of learning at the AHL level for a player who hopes to one day become a player for that NHL franchise. These systems are most certainly not being learned at UM or any other NCAA program.
Right his point is for a 19 or 20 year old in the CHL who doesn't have a contract. It would be in his best interests to play NCAA against older more mature players. Furthermore his example of players going pro around 15 the past couple years. Those players like Kent Johnson had a good rookie year but struggled in his 2nd year needed to be in the AHL. Gavin Brindley 2nd round pick in the AHL. They stopped listening after 5 seconds. Naurato said the CHL and NCAA isn't close because it's the CHL and USHL compete for the same players. He's talking that when they get to NCAA they are getting prepared to compete whether it be the AHL or NHL because they're playing against more mature players.
EvenSteven
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There’s also a very good discussion on this stuff on episode 533 of Spittin Chiclets. The last 20 or 25 minutes of the episode.
Agreed it was a 10-15 second clip people wanted to run with. There was more indepth talk. The one thing Naurato is right about is all the facilities, hydrotherapy etc the school has. If there are CHL teams with that very few do.
coolhandluc44
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I had a listen and just could help but roll my eyes…
If I have to hear one more time that Easton Cowan would be playing in the NCAA this year I’m going to loose my mind!
And why would the OHL or any CHL league reduce their schedule to appease or make the transition to College hockey??? That’s one of the main benefits of the league is that you play a pro type of schedule. Should they switch to full cages too to appease the NCAA Seriously wtf is wrong with people. Why would a league just willingly change things to appease what will still be their competition for highly coveted 18 to 20 year old players?
The last time I checked the CHL has a pretty good track record of still producing not only a quanity but quality nhl players. The way some “experts” or “analyst” talk you think it was no better than beer league
