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Think he is the 61st O/A to commit. We are above the 1/3rd mark.

Can see between 80-90 O/A to commit by the end of the season.

Also the above X account is stating that Diego Buttazzoni will join Mass-Lowell this upcoming season. If true, he will represent the first CHL player to play college hockey before his junior eligibility has expired.
 
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Think he is the 61st O/A to commit. We are above the 1/3rd mark.

Can see between 80-90 O/A to commit by the end of the season.

Also the above X account is stating that Diego Buttazzoni will join Mass-Lowell this upcoming season. If true, he will represent the first CHL player to play college hockey before his junior eligibility has expired.

Bruce McDonald is the most old school NASCAR name I've seen in awhile lmao
 
Austin Zemlak (2005, WHL, Tri City Americans) commits to Arizona State

Nice pick up...another 05 off the board to play college hockey next year. There will be a lot of sleepless nights for most CHL GMs are they try to figure out the O/A pool for next year.

Scratch that, looks like he will be returning to the Americans for his O/A season and going to Arizona for the 26-27 season.
 
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The O has always had the most elite offensive talent, the defense & goaltending can be non existent at times. Almost always recognized as the best of the 3 CHL leagues.

The Dub has historically been the most defensive, most physical, tighter structured, better goaltending league, but this is changing with the elite talent level increasing in Western Canada. The Dub is still a bit behind the O but it has closed the talent gap significantly.

The Q has always been known for the no defense high scoring style, and in recent years, the talent level has dropped off a cliff, as Quebec is the poorest province so many people can't put their kids in minor hockey as hockey & everything else has gotten more expensive. Even more haves and have nots in terms of individuals and teams in the Q. And before the rule change, you were seeing more and more Q territory guys bypassing the Q and going south to the NCAA, weakening the league further.
This is mostly correct except that Quebec probably isn't the poorest province. It is certainly true that the Q's territory in Canada is economically below Ontario and the western provinces.
 
Is it just me or are most of the CHL guys committing to the NCAA are guys who probably would have went the Usports route or lower than AHL route in NA or Europe?
It shouldn’t be surprising that high-profile CHL players who are central to the success of their team and have years of theoretical eligibility in the CHL left aren’t announcing in the middle of the season that they plan to leave the team. That would be awkward at best for the players. It makes sense why they would be waiting until the season ends to make their announcements even jf they already have an agreement with a college in principle. This has been alluded to with Michael Misa, for instance.
 
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It shouldn’t be surprising that high-profile CHL players who are central to the success of their team and have years of theoretical eligibility in the CHL left aren’t announcing in the middle of the season that they plan to leave the team. That would be awkward at best for the players. It makes sense why they would be waiting until the season ends to make their announcements even jf they already have an agreement with a college in principle. This has been alluded to with Michael Misa, for instance.
Yes this might be so and my comment was an observation not a predictor or judgment of anything going forward and it will be very interesting to see how things unfold in the next several years.
 
Is it just me or are most of the CHL guys committing to the NCAA are guys who probably would have went the Usports route or lower than AHL route in NA or Europe?

Most high end (and high draft eligible) players have been approached by college programs. I have heard that there have been some "soft" commits by a few but those players are waiting to see where they are drafted and if they are offered an ELC before they make any decisions.
 
Most high end (and high draft eligible) players have been approached by college programs. I have heard that there have been some "soft" commits by a few but those players are waiting to see where they are drafted and if they are offered an ELC before they make any decisions.
Hence why I think hockey turns into quasi baseball with how the MLB Draft works for HS guys: those high end HS guys have an NCAA commitment lined up as a fall back option in case they aren't drafted high/aren't offered the slot money they want, but most sign and bypass university, forcing the NCAA coaches to fill spots through JUCO/portal/other new recruits

In hockey, CHLers like Roger McQueen or Porter Martone could have "soft" commitments to Michigan, North Dakota, Denver, etc & then see what the NHL team wants for their development after the NHL Draft & then either go to the NCAA or bypass and sign their ELC. It'll depend on the CHL-NHL Agreement because NHL teams would rather have CHLers in the A or NCAA at 19 years old as opposed to stuck back in the CHL for extra years. Also not sure how NCAA coaches like Hastings, Pandolfo, Carle, Naurato would react to "soft" commits using them as leverage
 
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Hence why I think hockey turns into quasi baseball with how the MLB Draft works for HS guys: those high end HS guys have an NCAA commitment lined up as a fall back option in case they aren't drafted high/aren't offered the slot money they want, but most sign and bypass university, forcing the NCAA coaches to fill spots through JUCO/portal/other new recruits
Would need to make all players immediately eligible for the AHL for this to make sense. HS baseball players move to the Minors when they sign, they don't just say stay playing high school. Without a direct Draft -> AHL path, it doesn't make a lot of sense that top Americans in particular will all of a sudden stop playing in the NCAA their D+1. I don't think the ELC + Slide is as appealing as it's been discussed, and think the NCAA season + sign at end of the year is a bit of an overlooked factor.

Other complication there is that very few teenagers are actually ready for the AHL anyways, generally only the high picks. Every AHL team is filled with fringe NHL types with fairly extensive (50+ games) NHL track records. College gives players a pretty logical step up to keep progressing once they've already established themselves as first line, top level players at a junior level, rather than do another year (or two) at the same level once already "conquered".
 
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Hence why I think hockey turns into quasi baseball with how the MLB Draft works for HS guys: those high end HS guys have an NCAA commitment lined up as a fall back option in case they aren't drafted high/aren't offered the slot money they want, but most sign and bypass university, forcing the NCAA coaches to fill spots through JUCO/portal/other new recruits

In hockey, CHLers like Roger McQueen or Porter Martone could have "soft" commitments to Michigan, North Dakota, Denver, etc & then see what the NHL team wants for their development & then either go to the NCAA or bypass and sign their ELC. It'll depend on the CHL-NHL Agreement because NHL teams would rather have CHLers in the A or NCAA at 19 years old as opposed to stuck back in the CHL for extra years. Also not sure how NCAA coaches like Hastings, Pandolfo, Carle, Naurato would react to "soft" commits using them as leverage

Pretty well much correct.....look for a new NHL-CHL agreement but I think that the number of U-20 players eligible to play in the AHL will be limited to one or two per team. Still, that's enough to cover all the high-end prospects.
 
In hockey, CHLers like Roger McQueen or Porter Martone could have "soft" commitments to Michigan, North Dakota, Denver, etc & then see what the NHL team wants for their development after the NHL Draft & then either go to the NCAA or bypass and sign their ELC. It'll depend on the CHL-NHL Agreement because NHL teams would rather have CHLers in the A or NCAA at 19 years old as opposed to stuck back in the CHL for extra years. Also not sure how NCAA coaches like Hastings, Pandolfo, Carle, Naurato would react to "soft" commits using them as leverage
As of today, a kid drafted out of a CHL league still needs to be signed within two years or else they'll go back into the Draft. That's the most important piece right now before anything else regarding currently active CHL players that were or will be drafted into the NHL.
 
Would need to make all players immediately eligible for the AHL for this to make sense. HS baseball players move to the Minors when they sign, they don't just say stay playing high school. Without a direct Draft -> AHL path, it doesn't make a lot of sense that top Americans in particular will all of a sudden stop playing in the NCAA their D+1. I don't think the ELC + Slide is as appealing as it's been discussed, and think the NCAA season + sign at end of the year is a bit of an overlooked factor.

Other complication there is that very few teenagers are actually ready for the AHL anyways, generally only the high picks. Every AHL team is filled with fringe NHL types with fairly extensive (50+ games) NHL track records. College gives players a pretty logical step up to keep progressing once they've already established themselves as first line, top level players at a junior level, rather than do another year (or two) at the same level once already "conquered".
Most CHLers are Canadian and don't have the cultural pull to the NCAA, so they may or may not go NCAA if the CHL-NHL Agreement is changed so they can go to the A earlier.
 
Most CHLers are Canadian and don't have the cultural pull to the NCAA, so they may or may not go NCAA if the CHL-NHL Agreement is changed so they can go to the A earlier.
Yeah, it'll be an interesting development to keep an eye on. Something that won't really be known for a fairly long time and will depend a lot on the CBA.

Realistically, what happens if every good, but not good enough for an NHL Contract, CHL kid goes to the NCAA to raise the floor of No NHL Future NCAA players across all the conferences, the American kids are all still going to NCAA in their D+1 and then you start to see a gradual pull of more notable Canadian kids here and there leaving the CHL after their draft year and delaying their ELC because they would have just slid anyways. So then the talent keeps getting better and better... At some point, does that start to snowball and a kid that just genuinely doesn't have an interest in going to College is putting themselves at a developmental disadvantage with an ELC + Slide compared to the ones who moved up to College?
 
Yeah, it'll be an interesting development to keep an eye on. Something that won't really be known for a fairly long time and will depend a lot on the CBA.

Realistically, what happens if every good, but not good enough for an NHL Contract, CHL kid goes to the NCAA to raise the floor of No NHL Future NCAA players across all the conferences, the American kids are all still going to NCAA in their D+1 and then you start to see a gradual pull of more notable Canadian kids here and there leaving the CHL after their draft year and delaying their ELC because they would have just slid anyways. So then the talent keeps getting better and better... At some point, does that start to snowball and a kid that just genuinely doesn't have an interest in going to College is putting themselves at a developmental disadvantage with an ELC + Slide compared to the ones who moved up to College?
Fair points, I think it'll just depend on what the NHL teams advise and what the CHL-NHL Agreement looks like. But generally speaking, guys like Porter Martone and Ryan Roobroeck should move up to the NCAA when there's little left for them to prove in the O.
 
Most CHLers are Canadian and don't have the cultural pull to the NCAA, so they may or may not go NCAA if the CHL-NHL Agreement is changed so they can go to the A earlier.

As I previously said, the NCAA is trying really really hard to get those high-end kids to commit in order to establish themselves as the next logical step in the progression towards the pros, but the big fear is, just as you stated, that the hockey development path becomes quite similar to MLB.

This whole thing is just fascinating for the future of college hockey. The level of play is going to really be kicked up a notch with the depth coming in.

The hope is that parity increases across the entire D-1 landscape. I would have like to have seen more of those CHL O/A choose the smaller schools and less illustrious conferences and that has happened to some extent, but the bigger schools are beginning to snatch up those players as well.

There is no question that the NCAA will become even older than it is now.
 
Hence why I think hockey turns into quasi baseball with how the MLB Draft works for HS guys: those high end HS guys have an NCAA commitment lined up as a fall back option in case they aren't drafted high/aren't offered the slot money they want, but most sign and bypass university, forcing the NCAA coaches to fill spots through JUCO/portal/other new recruits

In hockey, CHLers like Roger McQueen or Porter Martone could have "soft" commitments to Michigan, North Dakota, Denver, etc & then see what the NHL team wants for their development after the NHL Draft & then either go to the NCAA or bypass and sign their ELC. It'll depend on the CHL-NHL Agreement because NHL teams would rather have CHLers in the A or NCAA at 19 years old as opposed to stuck back in the CHL for extra years. Also not sure how NCAA coaches like Hastings, Pandolfo, Carle, Naurato would react to "soft" commits using them as leverage
I believe the CHL-AHL barrier should also just completely come down, the AHL is a pro league that advertises itself as an 18yrs+ player base. Any CHL players who are 18yrs or older should have the chance to play there regardless of draft position, if they cant hang in pro hockey send them back to the CHL with their ELC and let them develop there the same. It makes no sense for the CHL to restrict 18-19yr olds from playing pro if they dont hold a monopoly anymore on the same aged kids going to the NCAA anyways. All the paths should be opened and unrestricted to provide the best development avenue.

I hope they address this issue in the next CBA meeting. Hockey development paths to the NHL & pros is gonna wildly change in this decade.
 
I believe the CHL-AHL barrier should also just completely come down, the AHL is a pro league that advertises itself as an 18yrs+ player base. Any CHL players who are 18yrs or older should have the chance to play there regardless of draft position, if they cant hang in pro hockey send them back to the CHL with their ELC and let them develop there the same. It makes no sense for the CHL to restrict 18-19yr olds from playing pro if they dont hold a monopoly anymore on the same aged kids going to the NCAA anyways. All the paths should be opened and unrestricted to provide the best development avenue.

I hope they address this issue in the next CBA meeting. Hockey development paths to the NHL & pros is gonna wildly change in this decade.
The CHL has to lookout for its own business interests & remain profitable. They need to keep talent as long as possible instead of being raided earlier than currently.

They will lose kids to the NCAA earlier than they currently lose kids to pro or USports. They will fight that as long as they can, but will ultimately lose.

They could lose kids to pro earlier if the CHL-NHL Agreement is rewritten to allow those drafted out of the CHL to go to the A in their 19 year old season. This would also hurt the CHL significantly.

They should gain more players from the States who previously would have never gone to the CHL who can now because the NCAA route has been opened up to the CHL. They're already gaining a ton of NCAA route Canadians midseason and should get more NCAA route players to play major junior in the coming months.

We'll see what happens. Everyone should win and lose in different respects, all about adjusting once we get clarification on rule/agreement changes.
 
The CHL has to lookout for its own business interests & remain profitable. They need to keep talent as long as possible instead of being raided earlier than currently.

They will lose kids to the NCAA earlier than they currently lose kids to pro or USports. They will fight that as long as they can, but will ultimately lose.

They could lose kids to pro earlier if the CHL-NHL Agreement is rewritten to allow those drafted out of the CHL to go to the A in their 19 year old season. This would also hurt the CHL significantly.

They should gain more players from the States who previously would have never gone to the CHL who can now because the NCAA route has been opened up to the CHL. They're already gaining a ton of NCAA route Canadians midseason and should get more NCAA route players to play major junior in the coming months.

We'll see what happens. Everyone should win and lose in different respects, all about adjusting once we get clarification on rule/agreement changes.

The CHL understands that they are in a brave new world concerning development, retention and progression to the pros. They do not want to see themselves as a feeder to the NCAA but rather use the NCAA as a fall-back option for players.

The CHL-NHL agreement will change. The CHL wants (and I mentioned this before) a hybrid system where players move freely between the AHL-CHL but are limited in the total number of games actually allowed to play in the AHL. I believe, however, that the NHL will simply limit the number of U-20 players allowed on AHL rosters.

The CHL will most definitely gain a lot of American born players (if you know players, coaches...just go into the rinks and talk to them....all the buzz is "go to the CHL").

The CHL will absolutely lose U-20 players to the NCAA as well. The big question is how many?

The NCAA wants to see itself as the top of the hockey amateur pyramid, but they will have to compete against a CHL mindset that will rather see players sign ELCs rather than delay and go to the college route.

I know this upsets some people here but the way I see this shaking it out is that most (not all) high end prospects will sign the ELCs and bypass college. The college route will mainly be for those not ready for the pro game at 19 or even 20 and need that longer runway to develop.
 
The CHL understands that they are in a brave new world concerning development, retention and progression to the pros. They do not want to see themselves as a feeder to the NCAA but rather use the NCAA as a fall-back option for players.

The CHL-NHL agreement will change. The CHL wants (and I mentioned this before) a hybrid system where players move freely between the AHL-CHL but are limited in the total number of games actually allowed to play in the AHL. I believe, however, that the NHL will simply limit the number of U-20 players allowed on AHL rosters.

The CHL will most definitely gain a lot of American born players (if you know players, coaches...just go into the rinks and talk to them....all the buzz is "go to the CHL").

The CHL will absolutely lose U-20 players to the NCAA as well. The big question is how many?

The NCAA wants to see itself as the top of the hockey amateur pyramid, but they will have to compete against a CHL mindset that will rather see players sign ELCs rather than delay and go to the college route.

I know this upsets some people here but the way I see this shaking it out is that most (not all) high end prospects will sign the ELCs and bypass college. The college route will mainly be for those not ready for the pro game at 19 or even 20 and need that longer runway to develop.
I'm interested to see what a kid like Ryan Roobroeck does. He's a late 2007 & thus draft eligible in 2026, but has already proven to be one of the top producers in the O. He might feel a great challenge by going to Michigan, Boston University, etc as opposed to staying in Niagara.

I personally don't think Porter Martone is NHL ready next year, so going back to Brampton and not develop that much more seems pointless, which is why the NCAA rumors are quite intriguing for him.
 

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