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Kingpin794 said:
Hypothetically that could work. The NTDP wouldn't need a league. Could just be its own thing. If say they work out a deal to do 2 games with each OHL team (assume 22 teams, home and home) that's 44 games. That wouldn't be too taxing on the schedule for OHL teams. They get a hand full of NCAA games too so that brings them to like 50ish games in a season plus tournaments. Plenty of game time. Wouldn't be the worst set up.
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Maybe do a loop thru Western Canada and Quebec a pick up some WHL and Q games also. I am sure it is easiee said than done but if the 18s played a schedule that included 20-30 CHL games, NCAA games, and international competition, it would make it a valuable place to play with the resources able to be offered
 
bigdog16 said:
Maybe do a loop thru Western Canada and Quebec a pick up some WHL and Q games also. I am sure it is easiee said than done but if the 18s played a schedule that included 20-30 CHL games, NCAA games, and international competition, it would make it a valuable place to play with the resources able to be offered
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Travel through the Dub would add way more costs and the CHL teams would want money in order to schedule "exhibition" games in the middle of the season, further adding to costs.

Best bet is keeping it within the OHL for 20 or so games.
 
Corso said:
Travel through the Dub would add way more costs and the CHL teams would want money in order to schedule "exhibition" games in the middle of the season, further adding to costs.

Best bet is keeping it within the OHL for 20 or so games.
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It's no different than any other flight NTDP takes. The cost won't be a factor for NTDP.
 
bigdog16 said:
It's no different than any other flight NTDP takes. The cost won't be a factor for NTDP.
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The NTDP doesn't have an unlimited budget. The program has to be mindful of costs and costs could be contained if they can get the required number of games through the OHL. The real question is the OHL willing to play ball???
 
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Corso said:
The NTDP doesn't have an unlimited budget. The program has to be mindful of costs and costs could be contained if they can get the required number of games through the OHL. The real question is the OHL willing to play ball???
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Nobody has an unlimited budget. But they are flush with money. They fly multiple times a year.
 
jtechkid said:
Does Youngtown have the facilities, money , location to actually join OHL?
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Capacity wise yes, but facility, from what I've heard, can use an upgrade. Location is fine but money? Well, the current owner is quite wealthy and I'm sure he's willing to incur six figure losses but for how long?
 
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Why would USA Hockey approve another country’s league (where they have essentially zero influence and control) trying to raid their country for two teams?

You’d have to be insane to sit by and let that happen.
 
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Corso said:
Capacity wise yes, but facility, from what I've heard, can use an upgrade. Location is fine but money? Well, the current owner is quite wealthy and I'm sure he's willing to incur six figure losses but for how long?
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I've been to the Covelli Center multiple times. It's usually a half empty barn but has some loyal fans. Best atmosphere was for the 2018 Clark cup vs Fargo. The seating bowl is actually quite good and not a bad seat per say, the arena area itself is very easy to get in/out of. The sound system will for sure need upgraded, when the PA announcer comes on it's almost deafening when he screams Phantoms on the power play.

I wonder if when it's all said and done, part of it will be the travel that Youngstown currently has in the USHL. As someone above me pointed out they have many closer options and could slide into that midwest division.

Currently, Youngstown is the farthest east team in the USHL which is concentrated primarily in the midwest, US and these kids take bus trips (I know someone will point out the brutal travel some WHL teams have - yes I'm very aware of this. But why do it if you don't really have to if you're Youngstown).

Within their own Eastern Conf.
Closest trip - Plymouth (NTDP) - 3 1/2 hrs
Muskegon - 5 hrs 50 min
Chicago Steel - 6 1/2 hrs
Madison - 8 1/2 hrs
Green Bay - 9 hrs
Dubuque - 9 hrs
Cedar Rapis - 9 1/2 hrs

Then you have the western conference which on average is farther travel. If you look at the 62 game YGN schedule they only have 5 western conference road trips and playing the same team twice when they do so. So that's another reason, they play the same teams often in their own conference. Where as joining the OHL it's a whole new experience playing more teams.

Ultimately, I don't mind either way. I just threw this in there for an alternative thought that could be going on behind the scenes. And with the changing landscape this could be an opportunity to try something new.

Pavel Buchnevich said:
Why would USA Hockey approve another country’s league (where they have essentially zero influence and control) trying to raid their country for two teams?

You’d have to be insane to sit by and let that happen.
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Just imagine what Hockey Canada would do if two teams wanted to leave the WHL.
 
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Bjindaho said:
Players in the BCHL are not eligible for any national team per IIHF rules
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Yeah, and Russia isn’t eligible to play per IIHF rules, even though USA and Canada haven’t been banned when they’ve perpetrated wars.

I don’t care about the IIHF rules. The IIHF is run by a lackey of Hockey Canada. Notice how BCHL players weren’t banned before recently.
 
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Just imagine what Hockey Canada would do if two teams wanted to leave the WHL.
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Hockey Canada could not stop a Canadian city from getting a USHL team. They could stop the team from simply switching leagues (because the players are Hockey Canada players, they would all require release from Hockey Canada, etc) because that would open up one heck of a can of worms.

If the Windsor Spitfires decided to shut down their CHL franchise, open a USHL franchise and then actively draft Ontario kids to play for their team, there isn't anything Hockey Canada could do to stop them (the federation does not control where teams can play (see: the BCHL)). They absolutely control their member leagues and they control the ability to mass transfer players from one IIHF sanctioned league to another.

Pavel Buchnevich said:
Yeah, and Russia isn’t eligible to play per IIHF rules, even though USA and Canada haven’t been banned when they’ve perpetrated wars.

I don’t care about the IIHF rules. The IIHF is run by a lackey of Hockey Canada. Notice how BCHL players weren’t banned before recently.
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You realize that the BCHL players are banned by a rule that has existed since the inception of the IIHF? This is not an apples and oranges situation. The Russian/Belarus ban is a choice, whereas the BCHL ban was caused by a decision that the BCHL made.
 
Bjindaho said:
You realize that the BCHL players are banned by a rule that has existed since the inception of the IIHF? This is not an apples and oranges situation. The Russian/Belarus ban is a choice, whereas the BCHL ban was caused by a decision that the BCHL made.
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That’s hiding behind a technicality.

There’s nothing stopping Hockey Canada from inviting players to a summer training camp. The IIHF isn’t going to sanction them if they do. It’s a political decision to not invite these players. It’s to punish them for playing outside of the Hockey Canada umbrella.

And let’s be real, if Hockey Canada wanted to invite these players to these tournaments and they wanted the BCHL to be a sanctioned league they would be. What does even being nonsanctioned mean? And why should that mean their players aren’t allowed to play for the National Team? That’s absurd.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Why would USA Hockey approve another country’s league (where they have essentially zero influence and control) trying to raid their country for two teams?

You’d have to be insane to sit by and let that happen.
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In the end USA Hockey will not be able to stop it. The only question is does USA Hockey want to take this to the bitter end?
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
That’s hiding behind a technicality.

There’s nothing stopping Hockey Canada from inviting players to a summer training camp. The IIHF isn’t going to sanction them if they do. It’s a political decision to not invite these players. It’s to punish them for playing outside of the Hockey Canada umbrella.

And let’s be real, if Hockey Canada wanted to invite these players to these tournaments and they wanted the BCHL to be a sanctioned league they would be. What does even being nonsanctioned mean? And why should that mean their players aren’t allowed to play for the National Team? That’s absurd.
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Hockey Canada cannot force BCHL to be sanctioned. This was the BCHL's decision.

Making statements that directly contradict publicly available information isn't useful.
 
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