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Hockeyville USA said:
I think Michigan is going to be after nearly every high end CHLer, same could apply with Boston University and Boston College. North Dakota has been surprisingly quiet in regards to going after CHLers, so we'll see what they do. You gotta think Denver & Wisconsin will go after more high end CHLers as well.
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Wisconsin bagged an elite player already in Tulk, he's an 05 and undrafted (size) but expect him to be a very very good producer at the D-1 level.
 
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Corso said:
Wisconsin bagged an elite player already in Tulk, he's an 05 and undrafted (size) but expect him to a very very good producer at the D-1 level.
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Guys like Tulk are going to be the real gems NCAA teams can go after. Someone who's been passed over by the NHL draft but is still putting up great numbers in the CHL. Sure they will also get the occasional high end late birthday too for their draft year, but the 18 and 19 year olds that will be easier to land are like Tulk.
 
Hockeyville USA said:
Shea Van Olm (2004, WHL, Spokane Chiefs) to Penn State
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They really screwed all the 2004 USA kids big time . Just think you did all the right things - went to league sanctioned to play NCAA- kept your dreams alive to get shot at div 1 college and they changed mid season and all the college decommit you . the big winner 2004 chl kids who had zero interest playing ncaa college - took a shot at pro with chl but heading U-sports but this fell on their lap and now can play usa college on full scholarship . Again , wish they just did next year because you probably have 450 2004 usa kids who were are playing -35-45 commited , and the rest hoping to maybe get a late offer all go up in smoke . In the future I dont get why have 358 nahl 2004- 30-40 bchl 2004- alot of ncdc where have zero shot div 1 . Like the Nahl - bchl would throw a carrot out there that it does happen 2004 but thats over now .
 
jtechkid said:
They really screwed all the 2004 USA kids big time . Just think you did all the right things - went to league sanctioned to play NCAA- kept your dreams alive to get shot at div 1 college and they changed mid season and all the college decommit you . the big winner 2004 chl kids who had zero interest playing ncaa college - took a shot at pro with chl but heading U-sports but this fell on their lap and now can play usa college on full scholarship . Again , wish they just did next year because you probably have 450 2004 usa kids who were are playing -35-45 commited , and the rest hoping to maybe get a late offer all go up in smoke . In the future I dont get why have 358 nahl 2004- 30-40 bchl 2004- alot of ncdc where have zero shot div 1 . Like the Nahl - bchl would throw a carrot out there that it does happen 2004 but thats over now .
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They'll be fine. There's 60+ NCAA teams, if they get good they can transfer up from D3.
 
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jtechkid said:
They really screwed all the 2004 USA kids big time . Just think you did all the right things - went to league sanctioned to play NCAA- kept your dreams alive to get shot at div 1 college and they changed mid season and all the college decommit you . the big winner 2004 chl kids who had zero interest playing ncaa college - took a shot at pro with chl but heading U-sports but this fell on their lap and now can play usa college on full scholarship . Again , wish they just did next year because you probably have 450 2004 usa kids who were are playing -35-45 commited , and the rest hoping to maybe get a late offer all go up in smoke . In the future I dont get why have 358 nahl 2004- 30-40 bchl 2004- alot of ncdc where have zero shot div 1 . Like the Nahl - bchl would throw a carrot out there that it does happen 2004 but thats over now .
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The solution for those kids is to work harder & get better. If you're good enough, you'll have a spot.
 
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Kingpin794 said:
Guys like Tulk are going to be the real gems NCAA teams can go after. Someone who's been passed over by the NHL draft but is still putting up great numbers in the CHL. Sure they will also get the occasional high end late birthday too for their draft year, but the 18 and 19 year olds that will be easier to land are like Tulk.
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Oh absolutely, you can also throw in players drafted in later rounds who will use the longer runway the NCAA provides in order to round out their game for the pros.
 
bigdog16 said:
The top end 16 year olds are still going to go NTDP. OHL only allowes 4 per roster. How many 16 year olds who weren’t good enough for NTDP are realistically going to be good enough to make the move at 16? Not many
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One would think at least several every year with the growth of hockey south of the border right?
 
wetcoast said:
One would think at least several every year with the growth of hockey south of the border right?
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Anywhere from 3-8 American 16 year olds play in the OHL in a full-time capacity per year as is. They aren't generally kids that were offered NTDP spots. Sometimes they're explicitly training camps.
 
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WarriorofTime said:
Anywhere from 3-8 American 16 year olds play in the OHL in a full-time capacity per year as is. They aren't generally kids that were offered NTDP spots. Sometimes they're explicitly training camps.
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Usually between 70-90 16-year-olds in the league every year. More than half of them on a full-time basis. With the changing landscape of junior/college hockey, we should expect to see around 30 or so U.S. born 16-year-olds in the not-too-distant future, with about half of those playing on a full-time basis.
 
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wetcoast said:
One would think at least several every year with the growth of hockey south of the border right?
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You'll see more Michigan, Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey kids go to the O as expected. You'll see a few more Massachusetts/New England kids go to the Q if they're not enamored with the prep school they're at. And you'll see more California, Texas, Arizona, Colorado kids go to the Dub as you'd expect. Not sure if you'll see anymore Minnesotans going to the Dub since they're very loyal to their high schools and pretty loyal to the USHL after that as well.
 
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Hockeyville USA said:
You'll see a few more Massachusetts/New England kids go to the Q if they're not enamored with the prep school they're at.
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What are the academic requirements for a player entering a USA university from the Quebec education system? Are both years of cégep needed? Most of these kids will be entering at 20 anyway so should have time to complete it, but just wondering.
 
Misa and Martone don't really need a 4th year of OHL, imo. If the vibe they get from the draft process is that they aren't Day 1 NHL guys, college for a year makes a lot of sense as a natural progression. Remember, the college kids can sign when their season ends and still get in end of year games if they're ready by that point as well.

I don't think the whole Training Camp then slide back to Junior thing is that enamoring for prospects, or else every top 3 round pick would drop their college commitment and go to a CHL team, regardless of whatever they had done to that point.
 
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WarriorofTime said:
Misa and Martone don't really need a 4th year of OHL, imo. If the vibe they get from the draft process is that they aren't Day 1 NHL guys, college for a year makes a lot of sense as a natural progression. Remember, the college kids can sign when their season ends and still get in end of year games if they're ready by that point as well.

I don't think the whole Training Camp then slide back to Junior thing is that enamoring for prospects, or else every top 3 round pick would drop their college commitment and go to a CHL team, regardless of whatever they had done to that point.
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I mean yes and no. It’s also a cultural thing. Americans want to play in the NCAA and you can’t play there with a contract. They naturally hold off until they are ready for pros. If there wasn’t that kind of culture there to start with, you would see more kids singing right away. But most kids don’t want to move to Canada for hockey when the NCAA is right there.
 
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Kingpin794 said:
I mean yes and no. It’s also a cultural thing. Americans want to play in the NCAA and you can’t play there with a contract. They naturally hold off until they are ready for pros. If there wasn’t that kind of culture there to start with, you would see more kids singing right away. But most kids don’t want to move to Canada for hockey when the NCAA is right there.
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It's for sure a culture thing I agree, but also on the Canadian side where if you're a decently high pick you typically sign because that's what everyone's done before you (thus creating the culture). I agree with others that guys like Martone, Misa, etc don't need more years in junior and should absolutely take their game to the NCAA.

I think this notion will slowly change as people realize it's not a slight to not sign in your draft +1 or 2. A spot will be there for them when they're ready. All it takes is the first couple kids to do it and people will realize it's literally no big deal to not sign with the NHL team right away. As you know, this hasn't hurt Americans that've done this for years, or even guys like Hage, Boisvert, and Wood that chose the NCAA route. Not signing right after you're drafted will be a non factor in a few years.
 
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NTDP said:
It's for sure a culture thing I agree, but also on the Canadian side where if you're a decently high pick you typically sign because that's what everyone's done before you (thus creating the culture). I agree with others that guys like Martone, Misa, etc don't need more years in junior and should absolutely take their game to the NCAA.

I think this notion will slowly change as people realize it's not a slight to not sign in your draft +1 or 2. A spot will be there for them when they're ready. All it takes is the first couple kids to do it and people will realize it's literally no big deal to not sign with the NHL team right away. As you know, this hasn't hurt Americans that've done this for years, or even guys like Hage, Boisvert, and Wood that chose the NCAA route. Not signing right after you're drafted will be a non factor in a few years.
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I think we'll gain more clarity once the CBA is revised/updated and the "rights holding period" for drafted players is amended. Will it be 4 years for everyone from the year they're drafted, will CHLers still need to be signed within 2 years, or will it change from 2 to 4 years if a CHLer goes the NCAA route? If it's 4 years for all, then guys not signing within a year won't be something to worry about
 
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Hockeyville USA said:
I think we'll gain more clarity once the CBA is revised/updated and the "rights holding period" for drafted players is amended. Will it be 4 years for everyone from the year they're drafted, will CHLers still need to be signed in 2 years, or will it change from 2 to 4 years if a CHLer goes the NCAA route? If it's 4 years for all, then guys not signing within a year won't be something to worry about
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You make a good point on the CBA, I forgot about that. Exciting times ahead.
 
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