CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[Bonin21]

this year freshmen class was :
2003 birthyear( age out ) 231.
2004 birthyear -173
2005 birth year /57
2006 birth year-30

63% were usa kids .
34% were Canadien kids
ushl was 41%
bchl was abt 25% .

Where did you pull that data from? It doesn't feel right on the 2003/2004 split

The Gophers had an older class this year, but even with that it was still
2003
2004
2004
2005
2006
2006

The "have-nots" of college hockey are the only ones that support 21 year old freshmen because it's their only chance to compete.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Compare that to the freshman class of the average college student and then you see why it’s a big problem.

NCAA should be for 18-22 year olds, if they are going to be affiliated with these colleges. If not, go affiliate yourself with some professional sports teams.

Well, as mentioned, no other NCAA sport has junior feeder leagues that are for 16-20 year olds. Hockey by default, as long as the NCAA allows for older junior players to come in as 20 & 21 year old freshman, will be the oldest NCAA sport. While it's annoying, just comes with the territory.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Well, as mentioned, no other NCAA sport has junior feeder leagues that are for 16-20 year olds. Hockey by default, as long as the NCAA allows for older junior players to come in as 20 & 21 year old freshman, will be the oldest NCAA sport. While it's annoying, just comes with the territory.

Junior shouldn’t be for 16-20. It should be 16-18 if you plan to go NCAA. And those that plan to go pro after junior or want to play USports can play to 20.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Junior shouldn’t be for 16-20. It should be 16-18 if you plan to go NCAA. And those that plan to go pro after junior or want to play USports can play to 20.

LMAO, hard disagree here.

 

[landy92mack29]

Compare that to the freshman class of the average college student and then you see why it’s a big problem.

NCAA should be for 18-22 year olds, if they are going to be affiliated with these colleges. If not, go affiliate yourself with some professional sports teams.

ncaa kids for the most part would lose all their leverage if they had to turn pro at 22 instead of 24/25 though and bypass the ahl(for a little until the promises run out)

 

[Bonin21]

How many of those 24/25 year olds are actually turning pro in a state where they have leverage? Come on. 25 year olds playing 18 year old freshmen is a joke.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

ncaa kids for the most part would lose all their leverage if they had to turn pro at 22 instead of 24/25 though and bypass the ahl(for a little until the promises run out)

There aren’t that many players who even can stick in AHL if they are choosing to stay in college beyond 22.

Those are the players who milk their college eligibility because they know that’s the peak of their hockey career and they’ll struggle to stick in the A and may be headed for the East Coast league.

This isn’t even a real consideration for the majority of those that play NHL games.

 

[landy92mack29]

LMAO, hard disagree here.

pretty easy to disagree tbh. 16-18 age bracket is for high school or midget AAA kids who will top out in junior A. If you're a higher end talent playing against the top 16-20 yr olds(mostly 18-20) then going pro is great path

 

[Bonin21]

USHL should be one year, or a MAX of two years of hockey after you graduate HS. If you want to go to USHL while in HS, go ahead.

If it were me, I'd make it max of one year post HS graduation.

 

[wetcoast]

More kids from the States who were always going to go NCAA will go to the CHL to play their junior eligible years. Look at Chase Reid: was getting boned by Waterloo in the USHL because they wouldn't play him, and thus got stuck in the NAHL, then leaves for Sault Ste Marie in the O and is actually playing and playing well.

This is why I like the idea of giving younger guys more options on where they want to play even in an imperfect system.

 

[wetcoast]

It’s a joke. They’ve essentially started going away from it being tied to actually being a student at a college and just looking at it as a minor league for whatever major league there is.

All it’ll do is perpetuate the mediocrity of mid 20’s guys who aren’t good enough for the major leagues in their sport to beat up on and take spots away from actual teenagers who might have a pro future in the sport but need development to get there.

CHL teams will be here for them.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

USHL should be one year, or a MAX of two years of hockey after you graduate HS. If you want to go to USHL while in HS, go ahead.

If it were me, I'd make it max of one year post HS graduation.

I’m with you, but I don’t even like one year. The system shouldn’t have players essentially taking a gap year from their schooling if they plan to continue on to getting an education for no reason other than they are playing full time amateur hockey. It seems like a total idiom to be a full time amateur hockey player.

 

[Kingpin794]

It’s already established that junior hockey is 16-20. It’s that way around the world. It’s completely arbitrary to make NCAA hockey line up with traditional American academic windows because some people want it that way.

 

[Kuracmugger]

That's going to be a tough question. There isn't a past example to point to. The NCAA is a tougher league to score in. Older, stronger competition. If I had to guess, a PPG 20 year old from the CHL should be able to be at around 0.5-0.75 PPG in their first year. So not game breakers but will certainly add some punch to college rosters.

Ok so i am taking from that, that the level of college hockey will most likely increase. Which makes sense tho with this huge new playerbase from arguably the best junior leagues

 

[Golden_Jet]

Junior shouldn’t be for 16-20. It should be 16-18 if you plan to go NCAA. And those that plan to go pro after junior or want to play USports can play to 20.

Well then it would be that way in the US only then. As we are currently in the world junior tournament, which is for all U20 players,
no other nation is cutting off the ages for junior players, don’t be see why the US would.

 

[Bonin21]

Get rid of the 21 year old roster exceptions from CHL and USHL/NAHL and the rest and I'll settle for that as a win.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Get rid of the 21 year old roster exceptions from CHL and USHL/NAHL and the rest and I'll settle for that as a win.

Well CHL rule is you have to be 20 to start the season, but can turn 21 during the season. There is a limit of 3 per team I think.

 

[Bonin21]

Well CHL rule is you have to be 20 to start the season, but can turn 21 during the season. There is a limit of 3 per team I think.

Same idea in USHL. Just get rid of it.

19 years old or younger on June 1 (or September 14 to allow for 2 post draft seasons) of upcoming season. Boom, good to go.

Then you don't have to worry about the limit of 3 thing, either.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Same idea in USHL. Just get rid of it.

19 years old or younger on June 1 (or September 14 to allow for 2 post draft seasons) of upcoming season. Boom, good to go.

Then you don't have to worry about the limit of 3 thing, either.

Lol, so you want to change how the whole world does junior hockey, to match a dumb US idea.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

 

[Bonin21]

Lol, so you want to change how the whole world does junior hockey, to match a dumb US idea.

WJC is tied to 2005 birth years. I checked some Swedish U20 teams and didn't see any 2004s.

In which leagues outside of NA are 2004s able to play junior hockey including playing in playoffs?

 

[landy92mack29]

 

[landy92mack29]

WJC is tied to 2005 birth years. I checked some Swedish U20 teams and didn't see any 2004s.

In which leagues outside of NA are 2004s able to play junior hockey including playing in playoffs?

Don't know the europe leagues well but a quick look shows the MHL has 04s as well as the Czech U20

 

[Kingpin794]

WJC is tied to 2005 birth years. I checked some Swedish U20 teams and didn't see any 2004s.

In which leagues outside of NA are 2004s able to play junior hockey including playing in playoffs?

Off the top of my head: MHL, Czech u20

Edit: Finnish u20, etc. it’s pretty much the standard

 

[wetcoast]

Pretty impressive pickups in the last couple of days along with Kenta Isogai.