CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

jtechkid

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The BCHL is royally screwed. As for the others, they will survive, they're are only so many roster spots open on CHL teams and with more Americans coming over, those extra Canadians will have to play somewhere. The quality will go down, but they will still exist.
I think BCHl has to downsize a bit - way too many teams for what’s going on . brooks , penticton others have strong track record of development no matter what happens . BCHL should go from 21 teams to 12 teams and i think would attract solid players .

Any idea why chicago steel has been so bad last couple of years ? once the owner sold straight downhill ?
 

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I think BCHl has to downsize a bit - way too many teams for what’s going on . brooks , penticton others have strong track record of development no matter what happens . BCHL should go from 21 teams to 12 teams and i think would attract solid players .

Any idea why chicago steel has been so bad last couple of years ? once the owner sold straight downhill ?
At that point why wouldn't those 12 teams just go back to Hockey Canada and join up with the AJHL to make a Western Junior A super league?
 

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The main reason why the BCHL loses so much players right now is that it has no protection from Hockey Canada. Players can leave whenever they want and their new team doesn't have a fee to pay. It was also the top league in Canada for NCAA bound players who are good enough to play in the CHL. Junior A leagues in Quebec and the Maritimes is made of players who aren't QMJHL caliber.
They could stay an Independent Junior A League, like they are now, just more on par with the Hockey Canada Affiliated Junior A Leagues and not the secondary big NCAA feeder, or maybe they go back under the Hockey Canada umbrella.

Not sure why they would "fold", as long as there are enough players to fill spots and they can keep things like operational costs including travel expenses minimal. Isn't much of Canada Junior A Pay-to-Play [well I guess that term is loaded, I just mean, players have to pay their own fees and they aren't covered league-wide by the teams]?
 
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Somewhat of a rant but I think people are always too quick to talk about Leagues "folding" because such and such player may not play there. It's like when people say CHL teams would "fold" if all the 19 year olds got raided to the AHL? Why? It doesn't make sense. No more sense than saying AHL teams are going to fold because their best players get called up to the NHL. People may go because it's affordable entertainment, not because it's the best players in the world.

In 1980-81, there were 12 OHL teams, 13 WHL teams and 10 QMJHL teams. That's 35 teams across the Leagues that make up the CHL. The NHL's demographics were 81.4 % Canadian (524 players in total) on a Games Played basis. 16/21 1st Round Picks in the 1981 Draft played in one of these leagues.

In 2023-24, the NHL's demographics were 42.4 % Canadian on a Games Played Basis, which is nearly halved. The total number of Canadians to play in at least 1 NHL game that season were 434, which is 90 fewer than 1980-81 even as eleven new teams (and 11 * 20 lineup spots on a given night) were added into the league. At the same time, at the Junior Hockey level, you had 20 OHL teams, 22 WHL teams, and 18 QMJHL teams. That's 60 teams across the Leagues that make up the CHL.

Despite whatever diluting effect that creates as pathways outside the CHL became more common to reach the NHL while the number of CHL teams expanded, these Leagues did not die or suffer financial catastrophe. Because a sporting league's viability isn't tied to its perceived feeder impact on the Pro League or an arm's race for the "best" talent.

What leagues "survive" just depends on the ability to sustain costs for whatever the league represents and the demand amongst players for such a league. There's all sorts of Junior Leagues that have no zeitgeist relevance because they can get by with players paying their own fees to participate in the League.... Generally if one League goes away, something else with a new name and maybe new people at whatever functions for a league office will fill its place, because it's all largely demand driven from the player pool at the end of the day.

The pool of kids wanting to play junior hockey doesn't change too much based on any decision. It's mostly just going to be a shuffling around. Maybe more kids not on "the path" anymore will call it quits earlier, but a lot will keep playing for as long as viable until they become real adults that need to get a job. But think through it, if QMJHL teams raid BCHL teams... that means a spot on the QMJHL roster was taken away from somebody else. So now if that player doesn't just quit, they have to go somewhere else. Maybe down to a local Junior A, and then that local Junior A player who lost their lineup spot either quits or goes somewhere else, and so and on so forth.
 

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They could stay an Independent Junior A League, like they are now, just more on par with the Hockey Canada Affiliated Junior A Leagues and not the secondary big NCAA feeder, or maybe they go back under the Hockey Canada umbrella.

Not sure why they would "fold", as long as there are enough players to fill spots and they can keep things like operational costs including travel expenses minimal. Isn't much of Canada Junior A Pay-to-Play [well I guess that term is loaded, I just mean, players have to pay their own fees and they aren't covered league-wide by the teams]?
I don't think Hockey Canada wants the BCHL back. They'd rather watch them drop in quality than let them under the umbrella again. And now there's no incentive for good players to go to the BCHL. This is why specifically people are mentioning the BCHL. The rest of them have a governing body behind them/reasons to go there. I guess they could stay a float if they're ok with being a junior b quality league now.
 

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I don't think Hockey Canada wants the BCHL back. They'd rather watch them drop in quality than let them under the umbrella again. And now there's no incentive for good players to go to the BCHL. This is why specifically people are mentioning the BCHL. The rest of them have a governing body behind them/reasons to go there. I guess they could stay a float if they're ok with being a junior b quality league now.
I think that the BCHL would be welcomed back, but not until the offseason. It makes sense to have Jr A in every region and the BCHL can be part of that.

Someone really needs to take a look at the leadership of the BCHL OTOH. While I don't disagree with some of what they were doing, their model was directly designed to kill a bunch of their teams or require them to play in an extreme have/have nots league (essentially creating a Jr A superleague at the expense of a fair amount of the teams that were there when they separated).
 

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I think that the BCHL would be welcomed back, but not until the offseason. It makes sense to have Jr A in every region and the BCHL can be part of that.

Someone really needs to take a look at the leadership of the BCHL OTOH. While I don't disagree with some of what they were doing, their model was directly designed to kill a bunch of their teams or require them to play in an extreme have/have nots league (essentially creating a Jr A superleague at the expense of a fair amount of the teams that were there when they separated).
See I don't disagree that Hockey Canada would want a Junior A league out in BC. I just think they want the BCHL dead. Have the same teams come back under new leadership and under a new identity. Idk called it the Pacific Junior A league or something. It might be superficial and petty, but they want to stamp out the whole "independent" thing.
 

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See I don't disagree that Hockey Canada would want a Junior A league out in BC. I just think they want the BCHL dead. Have the same teams come back under new leadership and under a new identity. Idk called it the Pacific Junior A league or something. It might be superficial and petty, but they want to stamp out the whole "independent" thing.
Honestly, I would hope that the BCHL forces their leadership out as part of trying to re-join Hockey Canada.

They traded some of the problems that they cited with Hockey Canada for creating a league where every team not in a major market would get to watch their team get absolutely railroaded every time a big team comes to town.
 

jtechkid

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also the NAhl in usa has turned into a complete joke because they added too many teams - i think they are at 32. The BCHL is still lot better option for kids than Nahl . So kids going need a place to play and not everybody going to the CHL . CHL will get stronger , ushl will get hurt some but still be a strong league exorcising for American kids . Bchl will get lot weaker but i still think will be relevant for lot of kids in canada and usa .
 

WarriorofTime

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I don't think Hockey Canada wants the BCHL back. They'd rather watch them drop in quality than let them under the umbrella again. And now there's no incentive for good players to go to the BCHL. This is why specifically people are mentioning the BCHL. The rest of them have a governing body behind them/reasons to go there. I guess they could stay a float if they're ok with being a junior b quality league now.
Whether BCHL in its current independent form exists or something else with a new branding, it's unlikely that there just wouldn't be a Junior A Hockey League in British Columbia. All those CSSHL kids that are a bit shy of WHL gotta go somewhere.
 

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