CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[Oak]

Still a lot of hearsay and it will probably change a decent amount before 26' season starts.

I'll know more later today when I talk to my contact at one of the bigger NHL agencies.

 

[Voight]

I don't see what Landon Dupont will have to gain playing a third year in the CHL over going and getting in a year as the most famous person on a big college campus and adding a Hobey Baker and hopefully natty to the collection.

For most high enders though (1st and 2nd rounders), they'll do their two years in the CHL and the drafting team will push a little harder to get them signed right away in that summer to control them not going the college route and the potential to go free agency.

Thats a stretch. Unless its an absolute hockey focused school who's other sports progrums suck, that won't happen.

True but a lot of players that were on the D-1 track will be pushed down to the D-III level and that will really impact the level of play there for the better.

I agree, cause a low end D1 player is going to be a high end D3 player.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Thats a stretch. Unless its an absolute hockey focused school who's other sports progrums suck, that won't happen.

There are a small handful of places where I'd say the hockey team is the biggest sport program, BU, Maine, MN-Duluth, Denver, Quinnipiac, North Dakota, St. Cloud State. Arguably BC but only because their football and basketball teams are consistently down.

But yes, it's not the norm.

 

[pgfan66]

The new rules don't apply to D3, from what I understand.

But lower-end D1 kids that get pushed out by CHL kids going to college will find a spot in D3 schools if they want it.

 

[Bonin21]

Thats a stretch. Unless its an absolute hockey focused school who's other sports progrums suck, that won't happen.



I agree, cause a low end D1 player is going to be a high end D3 player.

There are a small handful of places where I'd say the hockey team is the biggest sport program, BU, Maine, MN-Duluth, Denver, Quinnipiac, North Dakota, St. Cloud State. Arguably BC but only because their football and basketball teams are consistently down.

But yes, it's not the norm.

BC, BU, UND, Minnesota, Denver you will be the big man on campus. Even though UMN has D1 football and hockey, trust me the hockey players are put above the rest because most of the fellow students are Minnesotan and care about hockey (and most of the hockey players are Minnesotan).

The big players will end up at one of those school, or Michigan/Michigan State. At those two, I'd say the football/bball players are likely a bigger deal.

 

[Boonk]

One thing I think a lot of you guys are missing is you are only evaluating this through the lense of first round draft picks. There are a lot of kids who get drafted who go nowhere, or very good players who dont get drafted.

This will have a bigger effect on them than any first round kid.

Now some of you might say who cares! But if you're involved in the game these kids are people too and some of them are damn fine hockey players who will excel in College.

This change is hurting a lot of kids.

The only thing that was hurting these kids was this useless barrier that was up for decades thats finally coming down. It should have never been enstated to begin with and forced teenage kids on both sides of the border with their whole lives and careers ahead of them to make a quite frankly detrimental choice.

Now kids will have more development paths and options than ever and wont have to be strictly decide between the CHL or NCAA path to pro. There is literally nothing but positive benefits in this change.

 

[WarriorofTime]

BC, BU, UND, Minnesota, Denver you will be the big man on campus. Even though UMN has D1 football and hockey, trust me the hockey players are put above the rest because most of the fellow students are Minnesotan and care about hockey (and most of the hockey players are Minnesotan).

On Minnesota, yeah I think most of the kids being from the state itself does give a really close connection to the study body. High School Hockey is also a big deal in Minnesota, really only place in the country I'd say that. So many of the student body is probably familiar with a good chunk of the players even before they step foot onto campus.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think it will work in reverse for a lot of top end players. Go play in the CHL at 16/17 and see how there NHL prospects work. A lot of colleges can use the CHL as a recruiting tool, they get a more complete player at 18. I mean if I was Joe Hockey from Michigan and I get drafted by London and go play at 16 for a couple of years and don't get drafted and Michigan is offering a scholarship at 18 I jump at that chance

 

[Bonin21]

Benefit:
CHL
NCAA D1
NCAA D3 level of play will increase, not sure how much, but in the Midwest they'll get better players than before

Hurt (in order of pain):
BCHL
USHL
NAHL
MN HS

 

[WarriorofTime]

Hurt (in order of pain):
BCHL
USHL
NAHL
MN HS

USports?

 

[qc14]

But lower-end D1 kids that get pushed out by CHL kids going to college will find a spot in D3 schools if they want it.

And the kids already in those D3 programs will get pushed out of them ... disastrous as a whole for American youth development.

I totally get why the NCAA had to push this through themselves, but there really needs to be some sort of summit/transfer agreement/rewriting of rules this summer between the NHL, NCAA, and all junior leagues. I think the best end solution is still the USHL merging into the CHL and a standardization of NHL draft rights, AHL entry age, etc. across all leagues.

 

[Bubbles]

USports?

The completely ignored and most hurt.

 

[Oak]

The only thing that was hurting these kids was this useless barrier that was up for decades thats finally coming down. It should have never been enstated to begin with and forced teenage kids on both sides of the border with their whole lives and careers ahead of them to make a quite frankly detrimental choice.

Now kids will have more development paths and options than ever and wont have to be strictly decide between the CHL or NCAA path to pro. There is literally nothing but positive benefits in this change.

Downside is if you want to pursue D1 and possibly farther you have to go to Canada at 16 or 17. A lot of kids dont want to do that and American boys are not treated the same on a lot of team.

 

[Leviathan899]

I've yet to see any of the talking heads address current CHL contracts. Will players that already have a CHL contract (non-overagers) have the ability to break said contract and bolt for the NCAA without consent of the team? I fail to see why a CHL team would let a good player walk without compensation barring some legal impediment (not saying there aren't any; would just like to know).

I think they would have to settle a transfer fee, but the CHL announced that their education package will be voided if a player decides to leave before fulfilling their 19 year old season. Plus no player on any pro contract can go ncaa, so to me that practically eliminates the chances of them coming for the 1-2 round picks, as a lot of then sign rather quickly after being drafted, and want to attend rookie tournaments, which also won’t be allowed if you transfer to the ncaa.

 

[Oak]

And the kids already in those D3 programs will get pushed out of them ... disastrous as a whole for American youth development.

I totally get why the NCAA had to push this through themselves, but there really needs to be some sort of summit/transfer agreement/rewriting of rules this summer between the NHL, NCAA, and all junior leagues. I think the best end solution is still the USHL merging into the CHL and a standardization of NHL draft rights, AHL entry age, etc. across all leagues.

NCAA did not have to do this. It was done for selfish reasons. That lawsuit was a non issue with the amount of lawyers they have. NCAA sports are a business and almost play a more gangster style than most OHL teams.

I agree that USHL merging into the CHL would be the best case scenario but the USHL would need to fundamentally change how they pay their employees and that might not be feasible.