CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[Fatass]

Intersection of cba reserve list and ncaa restrictions on players with existing nhl contracts will impact that.

How, if the drafted players haven’t signed their elc’s? Guys are drafted at 18. They then continue in the CHL for their 19 year old season. When they turn 20, they go to a US college instead of signing their elc and ending up in the AHL. Play in college to develop physically and be nhl ready.
This new ruling will harm the tier two junior leagues and the minor pros. It will help the CHL and the ncaa.

 

[WarriorofTime]

How, if the drafted players haven’t signed their elc’s? Guys are drafted at 18. They then continue in the CHL for their 19 year old season. When they turn 20, they go to a US college instead of signing their elc and ending up in the AHL. Play in college to develop physically and be nhl ready.
This new ruling will harm the tier two junior leagues and the minor pros. It will help the CHL and the ncaa.

Because they’d come off the reserve list and have to go into the draft at present.

 

[Juniorhockeyguru]

How, if the drafted players haven’t signed their elc’s? Guys are drafted at 18. They then continue in the CHL for their 19 year old season. When they turn 20, they go to a US college instead of signing their elc and ending up in the AHL. Play in college to develop physically and be nhl ready.
This new ruling will harm the tier two junior leagues and the minor pros. It will help the CHL and the ncaa.

BCHL all flexing their muscles over getting those 5 Alberta teams last year. They are going to end up being feeders to the CHL, and they'll end up getting Div 3 players for the NCAA.


More 15-17 year olds that didn't want to lose their eligibility will come and play during those 16-18 years before they're off to the NCAA.

Junior A as is is cooked, and that goes for the BCHL.

Maybe the WHL can absorb the richer teams such as Brooks, Okotoks, Blackfalds, Spruce Grove and Sherwood Park.

Have a new Alberta Conference

Lethbridge
Calgary
Medicine Hat
Edmonton
Brooks
Sherwood Park
Blackfalds
Spruce Grove
Red Deer

 

[jtechkid]

How, if the drafted players haven’t signed their elc’s? Guys are drafted at 18. They then continue in the CHL for their 19 year old season. When they turn 20, they go to a US college instead of signing their elc and ending up in the AHL. Play in college to develop physically and be nhl ready.
This new ruling will harm the tier two junior leagues and the minor pros. It will help the CHL and the ncaa.

agree

 

[Bubbles]

Am i the only one who thinks that this is a nothingburger, unless the NCAA also allows players who have signed Pro contracts. Until that happens, then I don't see this changing the landscape of junior, college, or pro hockey much.

As @WarriorofTime has mentioned, and I mentioned it myself, that this potential ruling is only on players that have completed their CHL agreements, essentially 20+ players that have aged out of the CHL and unlikely to have secured a pro contract.

Players such as Braxton Whitehead would immediately benefit from such a decision. He's going to age out this year, American and wants to continue playing in the NCAA.

People are jumping to conclusions that suddenly the NCAA has free reign to recruit CHLers at any age, or suddenly kids are jumping out of their CHL agreements. We are very far from that.

 

[jtechkid]

As @WarriorofTime has mentioned, and I mentioned it myself, that this potential ruling is only on players that have completed their CHL agreements, essentially 20+ players that have aged out of the CHL and unlikely to have secured a pro contract.

Players such as Braxton Whitehead would immediately benefit from such a decision. He's going to age out this year, American and wants to continue playing in the NCAA.

People are jumping to conclusions that suddenly the NCAA has free reign to recruit CHLers at any age, or suddenly kids are jumping out of their CHL agreements. We are very far from that.

thx for info - yea i have no clue lol

 

[boredmale]

It could indirectly benefit the CHL, while they will lose some players to the NCAA, it also means that they will get alot of those players who want to go to College play for them as 16 and 17 year olds

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It could indirectly benefit the CHL, while they will lose some players to the NCAA, it also means that they will get alot of those players who want to go to College play for them as 16 and 17 year olds

I think that’s still a lot to assume. First of all, you have to assume that all those players prefer the CHL route, everything being equal. You then have to assume that they are all players that would even benefit from entering the NCAA at like 20 as opposed to 18 or 19. I think a lot of players who are remotely good enough to play regular games in any of these leagues are thinking they will be good enough for the NCAA at 18 or 19.

 

[boredmale]

I think that’s still a lot to assume. First of all, you have to assume that all those players prefer the CHL route, everything being equal. You then have to assume that they are all players that would even benefit from entering the NCAA at like 20 as opposed to 18 or 19. I think a lot of players who are remotely good enough to play regular games in any of these leagues are thinking they will be good enough for the NCAA at 18 or 19.

Maybe i assumed wrong but I thought they would be able to play as 16 and 17 year olds in the CHL then got to college at 18

 

[wetcoast]

BCHL all flexing their muscles over getting those 5 Alberta teams last year. They are going to end up being feeders to the CHL, and they'll end up getting Div 3 players for the NCAA.


More 15-17 year olds that didn't want to lose their eligibility will come and play during those 16-18 years before they're off to the NCAA.

Junior A as is is cooked, and that goes for the BCHL.

Maybe the WHL can absorb the richer teams such as Brooks, Okotoks, Blackfalds, Spruce Grove and Sherwood Park.

Have a new Alberta Conference

Lethbridge
Calgary
Medicine Hat
Edmonton
Brooks
Sherwood Park
Blackfalds
Spruce Grove
Red Deer

I gave you a like but don't like this outcome as I like diversity of leagues and options.

I also don't know if Alberta could support 9 WHL teams really.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Maybe i assumed wrong but I thought they would be able to play as 16 and 17 year olds in the CHL then got to college at 18

Pretty sure at this point the change will only help the CHL guys not getting pro contracts that age out of the league and can go play NCAA at age 20 or 21.

What you are suggesting might happen, but likely years in the future.

 

[boredmale]

Pretty sure at this point the change will only help the CHL guys not getting pro contracts that age out of the league and can go play NCAA at age 20 or 21.

What you are suggesting might happen, but likely years in the future.

First name that came in my head was Johnathon Toews. I am guessing if possible he would have played the WHL for a few years then go to college.

 

[DaveG]

We'll see if the CHL Standard Player Agreement gets reworked/ripped up and how many years they require guys to play there before they move on to pro or university. NHL will definitely have some influence and the CHL-NHL Agreement will look entirely different. We'll see how many CHLers move straight to pro or if a sizable number move to the NCAA in this new world.

This is going to be the central point. As of now I wouldn't expect much if anything to change for the bluechip guys that are going to the NTDP and even some of the top USHL prospects - they're already in the NCAA at 18 instead of playing 2-4 years in the CHL before being able to move to the NCAA level. Might have some agents advising that the CHL route is the better route for their development, but if the NCAA players still hold the UFA rights after graduating that would still be a big pro in that column.

 

[Corso]

This is going to be the central point. As of now I wouldn't expect much if anything to change for the bluechip guys that are going to the NTDP and even some of the top USHL prospects - they're already in the NCAA at 18 instead of playing 2-4 years in the CHL before being able to move to the NCAA level. Might have some agents advising that the CHL route is the better route for their development, but if the NCAA players still hold the UFA rights after graduating that would still be a big pro in that column.

As of now, expect to see the top U.S. born prospects continue to follow the NTDP to the NCAA route. Expect most of the next tier to continue choosing the USHL-NCAA route, with a few notable ones beginning to choose the CHL route. The biggest immediate change will be a sharp reduction in the number of high-end Canadians opting for the USHL/BCHL to NCAA route.

I would venture to guess that in time the CHL will begin to offer modified standard agreement contracts that includes an opt out to play NCAA hockey before the age of 20 in order to lure more of the very best U.S. born talent.

 

[Grinner]

Am i the only one who thinks that this is a nothingburger, unless the NCAA also allows players who have signed Pro contracts. Until that happens, then I don't see this changing the landscape of junior, college, or pro hockey much.

Why shouldn't they allow it. Ncaa players can make money due to their athletic status

 

[Corso]

Why shouldn't they allow it. Ncaa players can make money due to their athletic status

They are in discussions as to whether or not to allow players to play in pro leagues like the AHL and still maintain eligibility.

 

[Bubbles]

Why shouldn't they allow it. Ncaa players can make money due to their athletic status

Only Americans are allowed to make money on NIL deals. Canadians and any other foreign nationalities are on student visas and therefore cannot make any American income exceeding a certain amount.

Celebrini didn't get any NIL deals AFAIK

And besides, most NIL sponsorship deals are on football, baskeball...hockey is a distant contender to all the other big college sports.

 

[Corso]

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Some good questions posed by Elliot Friedman.....

 

[Bubbles]

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Some good questions posed by Elliot Friedman.....

Yeah. I did like that he talked this may increase the amount of schools in the US having a hockey program...like Tennessee? That would be cool.

However, I don't agree that those lower depth US college guys would come to Canada to play USports. More likely they'll get bumped down to a smaller college in the States. CHL alumni have the education package that covers their tuition to Canadian universities.

 

[Grinner]

Only Americans are allowed to make money on NIL deals. Canadians and any other foreign nationalities are on student visas and therefore cannot make any American income exceeding a certain amount.

Celebrini didn't get any NIL deals AFAIK

And besides, most NIL sponsorship deals are on football, baskeball...hockey is a distant contender to all the other big college sports.

Thanks for the Information
No better way to build a powerhouse program than a healthy "payroll"
It worked wonders in Football and Basketball programs for decades. There's got to be a few over enthusiastic alum. A school that doesn't have much if or any football program.
Perhaps escrow type accounts could be set up for tge college athletes.
College athletes couldn't make money on their likeness. But some woman gymnastics athlete makes millions ( supposedly)
I think most if not all barriers will fall by the way side. We're only sniffle beginnings.
Not that I'm saying it's good for college athletics as a whole

 

[Corso]

Yeah. I did like that he talked this may increase the amount of schools in the US having a hockey program...like Tennessee? That would be cool.

However, I don't agree that those lower depth US college guys would come to Canada to play USports. More likely they'll get bumped down to a smaller college in the States. CHL alumni have the education package that covers their tuition to Canadian universities.

The big winner in this may very well be the NCAA D-III ranks, as I feel that many of those "displaced" players end up fanning across various D-III schools.

The talent pool will certainly increase but that doesn't necessarily mean more colleges will look at adding hockey because of it.

 

[57special]

Hockey doesn't make any money, and it is very expensive to set up a program relative to other non revenue sports. It is also doesn't have widespread appeal...just look at the stands for the regionals...pretty sad.

This decision might hurt the USHL most. CHL will benefit, as will existing college teams.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

If the CHL wants to take players from the USHL, they basically have to put in an opt-out clause.

Which players are going to agree to stay in the CHL until 20? The USHL players that go play NCAA before 20 are the actual NHL draft picks. These players aren’t going to want to have to wait extra time to be able to go play NCAA. Thus, playing CHL would not be beneficial to them because they’d have to wait longer (a lot longer for some) to play NCAA.

The current arrangement being discussed would only apply for the players who are not priority players for CHL or USHL teams. And the other thing is there are going to also be players that think they’re good enough to play college prior to 20 that aren’t. These decisions to play CHL or USHL are going to have to be made at like 15 or 16. How many USHL draft picks are going to tell themselves that they won’t be at that point 2 or 3 or 4 years down the road, which is essentially like “draftable” range? You’d have to be pretty mediocre to be taking such a long view that you won’t progress at a rate where you might be NCAA ready at 18 or 19.

 

[WarriorofTime]

If the CHL wants to take players from the USHL, they basically have to put in an opt-out clause.

I think a Tender goes a long way as well. Many prospects that pass through the Chicago Steel have raved about it for example. The ability to choose where you play goes a long way. Yes, that means London will be even more dominant than now but I don't see why the OHL intrinsically needs to be a Mini-NHL, at least for top players. If the weak franchises can't survive [be financially viable] without it, then perhaps someone else takes their place or there didn't need to be so many to begin with.

 

[WarriorofTime]

How many USHL draft picks are going to tell themselves that they won’t be at that point 2 or 3 or 4 years down the road, which is essentially like “draftable” range? You’d have to be pretty mediocre to be taking such a long view that you won’t progress at a rate where you might be NCAA ready at 18 or 19.

Yeah that's a good point. A guy I knew that had NCAA offers thought heading into his Age 17 season that he'd be playing NCAA Hockey at Age 18 [the normal college freshman starting age]... the following season, he thought he'd be playing NCAA Hockey at Age 19..... you see where I'm going here.

He ended up not only finishing his Junior eligibility in the ordinary course, but being told to go back for an Overage Aged 20 Season, and began College as a 21 year old Freshman. I bet that's a pretty common for a lot of the guys that start playing NCAA Hockey later.