CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[SergeConstantin74]

I guess you have nothing better to do than argue about pure hypotheticals with nothing concrete behind it for 31 pages.

I can say I’m as guilty as anyone to participate, but I personally do wonder sometimes why I do so.

Isn't that the essence of message boards? Debating topics with little knowledge or authority on the matter?

 

[Bubbles]

Curious: how much NIL money do you think a hockey player might get at Michigan? Given that football and basketball are still dominant sports there, and given that college hockey generally speaking is not a huge money maker, just how much lolly do you suppose a college player who is likely to spend no more than two seasons at the school is going to get?

Doesnt answer your question exactly, but the top nil earner (all football) is Shedeur Sanders at $5.1 million. Someone else posted that BU guys got 150k. Not insignificant but pales in comparison to the football and basketball guys.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Isn't that the essence of message boards? Debating topics with little knowledge or authority on the matter?

Yeah, I agree. I’m poking some fun at myself and maybe a few of you guys too.

The initial person that responded to me took it very seriously and wanted to debate it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Doesnt answer your question exactly, but the top nil earner (all football) is Shedeur Sanders at $5.1 million. Someone else posted that BU guys got 150k. Not insignificant but pales in comparison to the football and basketball guys.

No wonder they had to let CHL players in, they were kept out before because they were getting $50-60 a week CDN, and weren’t classified as amateur.

 

[Wieters]

Doesnt answer your question exactly, but the top nil earner (all football) is Shedeur Sanders at $5.1 million. Someone else posted that BU guys got 150k. Not insignificant but pales in comparison to the football and basketball guys.

There is an incoming quarterback to college football next year, Bryce Underwood, who is reportedly going to get between $10 million to $12 million. And that commitment is to... Michigan.

So you're right that the big-time money hasn't necessarily made its way into college hockey yet, but there is infrastructure in place at some of the schools that play college hockey to raise serious funds for college sports. Even just a portion of it being diverted to college hockey would be significant if the school finds it profitable or an alumnus takes it on as a pet project. NIL is a very new invention, so the kinks haven't been sorted out yet.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

There is an incoming quarterback to college football next year, Bryce Underwood, who is reportedly going to get between $10 million to $12 million. And that commitment is to... Michigan.

So you're right that the big-time money hasn't necessarily made its way into college hockey yet, but there is infrastructure in place at some of the schools that play college hockey to raise serious funds for college sports. Even just a portion of it being diverted to college hockey would be significant if the school finds it profitable or an alumnus takes it on as a pet project. NIL is a very new invention, so the kinks haven't been sorted out yet.

Would be interesting if high profile guys like Ryan Whitney donate money to their alma matters.

 

[Wieters]

Would be interesting if high profile guys like Ryan Whitney donate money to their alma matters.

I think that could definitely play a role. Spittin Chiclets has begun to feature a lot more college hockey content, which I think reflects how the NCAA is gaining visibility with the general public since that is easily the most popular hockey content brand in the US. They just had Jay Pandolfo on their episode today. But as an alum of the other school down Comm Ave, I hope not in that specific case

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Carter MacAdams (2004, WHL, Tri City Americans) commits to Northern Michigan.

 

[Corso]

Doesnt answer your question exactly, but the top nil earner (all football) is Shedeur Sanders at $5.1 million. Someone else posted that BU guys got 150k. Not insignificant but pales in comparison to the football and basketball guys.

It is the wild wild west right now in NCAA football. These players are essentially getting paid by booster collectives while not really trading on their NIL. The House Settlement is trying to rein collectives in by having an arbitrator review if the money received is actually for a real business related purpose or simply a bag of money for just being who the athlete happens to be.

B.U. (through whatever collective it formed) paid a select group (three players) 50k per year. That is the highest total that I have heard of so far. Michigan certainly has the resources (for now) to match that if it so chooses on whoever. The problem that Michigan is currently experiencing, however, is that a massive (and I mean massive) amount of money now needs to flow into the football program and that is what the vast majority of donors(collectives) are focusing on right now.

There is the belief that NCAA hockey programs have unlimited budgets that can compete with pro leagues. The fact of the matter is that there is a growing concern that the majority of future revenue and expenses will need to flow into the revenue sports (football, lesser extent BB) leaving less for the non revenue sports. The hockey program at Michigan draws in enough fans and support to keep the program where it is currently at, but don't expect the school to begin competing against the NHL and E.L.C.s As some posters have said, high end prospects won't necessarily be swayed by the college life and all its amenities.

I've maintained through out this thread that the CHL will gain the majority of elite 16 and 17 year old talent (both Canadian and American) but the NCAA will pluck some of those good ones at 18 and 19. What will really tell the tale is the upcoming changes to the NHL CHL agreement and the entry draft. Once those become clear, so will a lot of the other topics we are discussing/debating.

 

[jtechkid]

Unless players are in a bad situation on their team and want out, I doubt the CHL will lose much 18-19 yo to the NCAA.

Do you understand that if a player is doing well and progressing, the NHL teams aren't going to want them to change leagues for their development.

I'm just including them as one of the blue blood hockey programs alongside the other ones I listed; it wasn't some specific inclusion. I suppose I should have included Wisconsin and possibly Michigan State to make clear I was just naming the elite programs. And besides, Minnesota might need to change their recruiting approach with the shifting landscape.


They might be treated well, but a CHL organization can't compete with the resources/network of a school like Michigan, and they can't offer the lifestyle of a college athlete. How much that matters will depend on the individual, but it's not irrelevant. Again, it's all right in that video; the people at Michigan are expressly saying this, it's not like I'm making this up here.


Sure, that's plausible. It could also be the case that it becomes a rite of passage for even these types of kids to go to the NCAA for a year since college hockey is a level that most NHL players will have gone through themselves at one point. We're just guessing at this point.

Long term predictions:
-NHL raises draft age to 19.
-Everyone in NA is going to NCAA for draft season (scouts love an even playing field)
-NCAA hockey explodes in popularity and the players make money off of NIL deals (everyone wins).
-CHL become an 18 year olds league. You can still play until 20, but very few NHL prospects do.
-CHL gate suffers significantly
-USHL doesn’t cease to exist, but quality of the league takes a big hit as the level of play more closely resembles a high end U18AAA team.
-The best USHL programs move the CHL

I’m sure plenty of these will be wrong tho

Best post ive seen so far !

 

[jtechkid]

what is strange is Its been reported that Nahl will add more than 6 teams on the west coast . nahl is becoming irrelevant but hey lets dilute more with 6 new teams . lol

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

what is strange is Its been reported that Nahl will add more than 6 teams on the west coast . nahl is becoming irrelevant but hey lets dilute more with 6 new teams . lol

Well, the NAHL still has a role in the College and Professional landscape. It’s long been a producer of D3 and lower end division 1 players. There’s going to be trickle down from other league and players that need places to go.

 

[jtechkid]

Well, the NAHL still has a role in the College and Professional landscape. It’s long been a producer of D3 and lower end division 1 players. There’s going to be trickle down from other league and players that need places to go.

With the new rule change its more than likely going to be the USHL - what happens to the ncdc - become a feeder for club hockey ? its getting ridiculous with 20 year kids hangin Rd for div 3- club and entering work force at 24-25age .

 

[Bubbles]

It is the wild wild west right now in NCAA football. These players are essentially getting paid by booster collectives while not really trading on their NIL. The House Settlement is trying to rein collectives in by having an arbitrator review if the money received is actually for a real business related purpose or simply a bag of money for just being who the athlete happens to be.

B.U. (through whatever collective it formed) paid a select group (three players) 50k per year. That is the highest total that I have heard of so far. Michigan certainly has the resources (for now) to match that if it so chooses on whoever. The problem that Michigan is currently experiencing, however, is that a massive (and I mean massive) amount of money now needs to flow into the football program and that is what the vast majority of donors(collectives) are focusing on right now.

There is the belief that NCAA hockey programs have unlimited budgets that can compete with pro leagues. The fact of the matter is that there is a growing concern that the majority of future revenue and expenses will need to flow into the revenue sports (football, lesser extent BB) leaving less for the non revenue sports. The hockey program at Michigan draws in enough fans and support to keep the program where it is currently at, but don't expect the school to begin competing against the NHL and E.L.C.s As some posters have said, high end prospects won't necessarily be swayed by the college life and all its amenities.

 

[Habsrule]

Just thinking out loud but would something like this work for a CHL / AHL / NCAA / NHL agreement.

Draft age stays at 18.

Any players drafted have four years to sign their ELC. (This gives all CHL drafted players a longer runway to get drafted from the CHL and then to go NCAA afterwards)

Minimum age to play in the AHL is 20 except for 1st round picks and they can play at 19. (This will give players more of an incentive to get picked in the first round and teams may think a little harder as to who would be capable of playing AHL a year earlier)

I like that last rule of 19 year old first rounders can play in the AHL. If you look at the draft from two years ago these would be the eligible players and how they are doing on the year. I’m only listing CHL players.

Yager #14 - 30 points in 21 games
Barlow #18 - 16 points in 24 games
Bonk #22 - 21 points in 22 games (defenceman)
Molendyk #24 - 17 points in 19 games (defenceman)
Musty #26 - 20 points in 11 games
Ritchie #27 - 33 points in 15 games
Cowen #28 - 25 points in 18 games