CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[BadgerBruce]

I have a question about Kitchener Rangers goalie Jackson Parsons, who just committed to Clarkson.

How many seasons of NCAA eligibility does he have?

Parsons is currently an overager in the OHL. As a 2004 birth year player, he should have graduated from Ontario high school in June, 2022. Has he been completely out of the school system since then, or has he attended post-secondary? In theory, he could be graduating with a 3-year Bachelor’s degree this spring. This would mean he’d have just one year of NCAA eligibility at Clarkson.

If Parsons did not continue with his education post-high school, he will have 4 years of NCAA eligibility but will begin his studies having been away from formal schooling for just over 3 years. That’s challenging.

I’m bringing up Parsons because he is probably the kind of player the CHL envisions moving on to NCAA schools. But if players of his ilk only have 1-2 years of eligibility if they continue their education after high school while in the CHL, they might choose to just stay out of school for three years to make sure they have the full 4 years to play NCAA and earn a degree.

 

[Oak]

USHL will not become a graveyard lmao

Says who? Bc there is a huge concern right now. Graveyard meaning players normally would go NAHL

Short-term, a bunch of Americans are about to lose their slots. And that genuinely sucks. I don't know how much USA hockey cares about that though.

Medium-term, I'd imagine the issue for USA hockey is that fewer parents will put their kids in hockey programs to start with if a college scholarship isn't likely. Also, the NTDP will need to be altered if the USHL isn't adequate competition.

But long-term, I'd imagine this will increase the number of D1 programs, which will only help USA hockey.

There has been a very long term goal of increasing the number of d1 schools by atleast 20%, and also making every NHL team have a feeder college program.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

So, does this mean NCAA players can sign an ELC and stay in college ?

 

[Kingpin794]

I have a question about Kitchener Rangers goalie Jackson Parsons, who just committed to Clarkson.

How many seasons of NCAA eligibility does he have?

Parsons is currently an overager in the OHL. As a 2004 birth year player, he should have graduated from Ontario high school in June, 2022. Has he been completely out of the school system since then, or has he attended post-secondary? In theory, he could be graduating with a 3-year Bachelor’s degree this spring. This would mean he’d have just one year of NCAA eligibility at Clarkson.

If Parsons did not continue with his education post-high school, he will have 4 years of NCAA eligibility but will begin his studies having been away from formal schooling for just over 3 years. That’s challenging.

I’m bringing up Parsons because he is probably the kind of player the CHL envisions moving on to NCAA schools. But if players of his ilk only have 1-2 years of eligibility if they continue their education after high school while in the CHL, they might choose to just stay out of school for three years to make sure they have the full 4 years to play NCAA and earn a degree.

I believe his eligibility clock won't start until 2025 when he enrolls at Clarkson. He should still have 4 years.

 

[jtechkid]

Short-term, a bunch of Americans are about to lose their slots. And that genuinely sucks. I don't know how much USA hockey cares about that though.

Medium-term, I'd imagine the issue for USA hockey is that fewer parents will put their kids in hockey programs to start with if a college scholarship isn't likely. Also, the NTDP will need to be altered if the USHL isn't adequate competition.

But long-term, I'd imagine this will increase the number of D1 programs, which will only help USA

What I don’t get Canada has a bunch of import rules to protect Canada players . they have it BCHL ,even they have a limit on America players for the CFL lol . USA college should simply have import rule like lot of lesgue do , it could be 70% USA kids, 30% other nationality.

 

[BadgerBruce]

I believe his eligibility clock won't start until 2025 when he enrolls at Clarkson. He should still have 4 years.

So he has not attended any post-secondary institution since finishing high school? If he did, every year of doing so knocks off a year of NCAA playing eligibility.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

So, does this mean NCAA players can sign an ELC and stay in college ?

Nope.

 

[Bizz]

The title makes it sound like there could be interleague games between the two leagues.

That would be something.

 

[Kingpin794]

So he has not attended any post-secondary institution since finishing high school? If he did, every year of doing so knocks off a year of NCAA playing eligibility.

why would that be the case? plenty of 20 year old freshman in the ncaa. pretty sure they don't stop schooling between HS and then. Unless someone can correct me.

 

[BadgerBruce]

why would that be the case? plenty of 20 year old freshman in the ncaa. pretty sure they don't stop schooling between HS and then. Unless someone can correct me.

They usually go to prep school.

 

[Corso]

I have a question about Kitchener Rangers goalie Jackson Parsons, who just committed to Clarkson.

How many seasons of NCAA eligibility does he have?

Parsons is currently an overager in the OHL. As a 2004 birth year player, he should have graduated from Ontario high school in June, 2022. Has he been completely out of the school system since then, or has he attended post-secondary? In theory, he could be graduating with a 3-year Bachelor’s degree this spring. This would mean he’d have just one year of NCAA eligibility at Clarkson.

If Parsons did not continue with his education post-high school, he will have 4 years of NCAA eligibility but will begin his studies having been away from formal schooling for just over 3 years. That’s challenging.

I’m bringing up Parsons because he is probably the kind of player the CHL envisions moving on to NCAA schools. But if players of his ilk only have 1-2 years of eligibility if they continue their education after high school while in the CHL, they might choose to just stay out of school for three years to make sure they have the full 4 years to play NCAA and earn a degree

Many students take dual enrollment courses and or AP for college credit and this does not effect their eligibility or start the clock. You are also allowed to take college courses on a part time basis (as long as it less than 12 hours per semester) without impacting your four year eligibility.

I'm not sure how the NCAA would view college classes completed in Canada. Would the courses be able to transfer? How many credits are individual courses worth? Are they similar to semester hours found in most U.S. colleges?

If Parsons committed to Clarkson ( a fairly prestigious school academically speaking) then my bet is that he would be eligible for the full four years.

 

[Bonin21]

They usually go to prep school.

Just completely wrong lol. Sure some of the older USHL kids take some classes at the local community college but definitely not paying to go to a prep school for a post hs grad year.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What I don’t get Canada has a bunch of import rules to protect Canada players . they have it BCHL ,CHL even they have a limit on America players for the CFL lol . USA college should simply have import rule of 4-6 non USA kids for college to protect USA youth hockey players . It’s simple .

There's no limit on American players in the CHL, obviously it would be pretty dumb to have limits when more than 1/4 of the whl is US based.
It's The Western Hockey League, not the Western Canada Hockey League.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Sorry if this has been asked already but in theory could a Canadian university apply to become a NCAA Division I hockey program or is it exclusive to the United States?

 

[Bubbles]

Sorry if this has been asked already but in theory could a Canadian university apply to become a NCAA Division I hockey program or is it exclusive to the United States?

Nope you can apply. Several universites have been denied though.

Simon Fraser University is the only Canadian university in Canada that plays in the NCAA Div II. Unfortunately they don't have an ice hockey program beyond club level.

 

[Boonk]

Downside is if you want to pursue D1 and possibly farther you have to go to Canada at 16 or 17. A lot of *American kids dont want to do that and American boys are not treated equally on a lot of CHL teams.

A lot of American kids arent going to the CHL anyways, the USHL still exists and its not going anywhere really. US players can sign tenders to play anywhere and dont need to apply for a Canadian student/work visa to do so there. The best collegiate committed & eligible Canadians are going to be taking up most of those spots in the CHL now.

NCAA did not have to do this. It was done for selfish reasons. That lawsuit was a non issue with the amount of lawyers they have. NCAA sports are a business and almost play a more gangster style than most OHL teams.

I agree that USHL merging into the CHL would be the best case scenario but the USHL would need to fundamentally change how they pay their employees and that might not be feasible.

They literally have no legal arguments against CHL stipends and contracts anymore because of NIL and revenue sharing, and it was greed that lead to the barrier being installed. They absolutely should have done away with this, and it shouldve been done yesteryear.

 

[Boonk]

The CIS isn’t better than the CHL lol the NTDP often beats ncaa teams and they’re 17-18 years old. To me better hockey entails skill, even if the players are older and stronger, they don’t have as much talent. That’s why you’ll see a big time college scorer sign with an NHL team at 23-24 years old and still look avg compared to a CHL prospect at 19. I agree the top ncaa programs are stacked and would run roughshod over chl teams, but usually their best players are junior aged still. Look at BC, all their best players are the same age as guys in the OHL. Michael Hage is an 06 and leading Michigan in scoring, same with Sascha Boisvert at NoDak. There’s not a single CiS team that has the talent I’d say an oshawa or London this year. Plus a lot of CHL guys have experience playing at NHL camps against men and pro’s. End of the day, both routes are good for players and have their pro’s and con’s. But the ncaa gets wildly overrated as a means to crap on the CHL. The CHL is hated for the similar reason London is hated around the OHL, because it’s so successful.

The CIS/USports all star teams always beat the Canadian World Junior Selection camp teams in scrimmages and thats a whole roster of the best U20 players & NHL prospects available. USports teams all time records vs NCAA in exhibition scrimmages is something like 8W-40L all time. The skill and talent gap is pretty evident at all of these levels. D1 teams often sit their best players vs NTDP exhibition scrimmages btw.

 

[Boonk]

What I don’t get Canada has a bunch of import rules to protect Canada players . they have it BCHL ,even they have a limit on America players for the CFL lol . USA college should simply have import rule like lot of lesgue do , it could be 70% USA kids, 30% other nationality.

The NCAA is not a league, its a "collection of educational institutions with extracurricular atheltic activities", they are not beholdened to import laws like other registered national sports leagues are.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

The CIS/USports all star teams always beat the Canadian World Junior Selection camp teams in scrimmages

Not true.

 

[jtechkid]

What I don’t get Canada has a bunch of import rules to protect Canada players . they have it BCHL ,CHL

The NCAA is not a league, its a "collection of educational institutions with extracurricular atheltic activities", they are not beholdened to import laws like other registered national sports leagues are.

Thx for clearing that up

 

[landy92mack29]

Nope you can apply. Several universites have been denied though.

Simon Fraser University is the only Canadian university in Canada that plays in the NCAA Div II. Unfortunately they don't have an ice hockey program beyond club level.

With their current teams and history of talent both U of A and U of S would be top 10 programs, it's just the CIS doesn't have the money, well for that at least.

 

[Oak]

A lot of American kids arent going to the CHL anyways, the USHL still exists and its not going anywhere really. US players can sign tenders to play anywhere and dont need to apply for a Canadian student/work visa to do so there. The best collegiate committed & eligible Canadians are going to be taking up most of those spots in the CHL now.

They literally have no legal arguments against CHL stipends and contracts anymore because of NIL and revenue sharing, and it was greed that lead to the barrier being installed. They absolutely should have done away with this, and it shouldve been done yesteryear.

I dont mean to be condescending but obviously you dont know the difference between USHL and CHL team financial situations.

USHL is 100% in a bad place.

 

[Boonk]

I dont mean to be condescending but obviously you dont know the difference between USHL and CHL team financial situations.

USHL is 100% in a bad place.

The USHL has been operating in some form or another since 1947 and has always been having to adapt to the improvements made by the monetarily and developmentally stronger CHL system through many decades and thats not going to change lol. There are only 9 US teams in the CHL where US kids dont need to apply for Visas and they're competing with Canadians who are drafted and signed to those teams who dont count as imports on the roster. Now the best Canadian kids who are D1 commits are going for those spots too. I doubt you're going to see the influx of US kids flooding into these leagues, especially the QMJHL, that you think there will be when USA Hockey has a tried and tested development path that works and is producing talent at the NCAA, and NHL levels.

You obviously don't know or look into the logistics of all of this.

 

[Blue and Green]

The CIS/USports all star teams always beat the Canadian World Junior Selection camp teams in scrimmages and thats a whole roster of the best U20 players & NHL prospects available. USports teams all time records vs NCAA in exhibition scrimmages is something like 8W-40L all time. The skill and talent gap is pretty evident at all of these levels. D1 teams often sit their best players vs NTDP exhibition scrimmages btw.

CIS doesn't always beat them but they hold their own. Split two games last year with CIS outscoring the juniors 8-5 in aggregate.

 

[Leviathan899]

The CIS/USports all star teams always beat the Canadian World Junior Selection camp teams in scrimmages and thats a whole roster of the best U20 players & NHL prospects available. USports teams all time records vs NCAA in exhibition scrimmages is something like 8W-40L all time. The skill and talent gap is pretty evident at all of these levels. D1 teams often sit their best players vs NTDP exhibition scrimmages btw.

Always? That’s a stretch. They’ve won a couple of times, but nobody would ever venture to say that the CIS team that has beaten them is actually a better team of better players. If so, we’d be seeing a lot more CIS guys in the NHL.