GDT: CHICAR

[dogbazinho]

So many good things to take away from this game. PP, Nino, Shutout, good line changes.

 

[Svechhammer]

Mrazek and Reimer have quietly had great stats to the year. The numbers might show they're struggling a bit but they are making the big saves when needed and pretty much stopping everything they should.

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

Nice chatting with you guys as per usual! Have a good weekend!

PETR PETR PETR !!

 

[tellermine]

Apart from that second period things were quite good.

Though it was funny how commentor said Canes forecheck was really good whole game.
Well it was not. Timing was off many many times and Hawks got trough to easily.

Without that goalkeeping Canes would have been dropped in second.

Just to say some constructive critisism.
Third was amazing period!!

Jerks!

 

[My Special Purpose]

Will fans in attendance be getting a partial refund since this game lasted all of 2 hours, 14 minutes?

Seriously, in the "television timeout" era, that's very hard to do.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Will fans in attendance be getting a partial refund since this game lasted all of 2 hours, 14 minutes?

Seriously, in the "television timeout" era, that's very hard to do.

How much of that is intermissions and TV breaks? Probably like 35-40 minutes?

 

[VAcaniac]

Home PP: 23.1% (13)
Road PP: 14.3% (22)

 

[My Special Purpose]

How much of that is intermissions and TV breaks? Probably like 35-40 minutes?

I don't know if any of this has changed, but period breaks are 18 minutes, and TV timeouts are 2:30 each, three times per period. So that's almost exactly an hour of built-in stoppages (36 minutes in intermissions, 22:30 in TV timeouts = 58.5 minutes).

Note: The TV timeouts are "officially" two minutes, but broadcast teams asked to increase the break to 2:30 so they could have 30 seconds to do a "game reset" type block when coming back from commercials, and not going right to the faceoff.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I'll say this again. Long-term improvement on the PP will come from Svechnikov and/or Necas. who rang one off the iron in the 3rd, establishing a shot from the left half-wall. Having a threat to score from the circles will open up passing lanes and better scoring opportunities for others. Neither Aho nor Teravainen are that. A point shot from a defenseman as the primary weapon isn't good enough.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Life has gotten in the way of late, so I haven’t really followed the league too closely, but have Kane/Toews usually been that invisible lately? Barely heard Toews name today, and heard Kirby far more than Kane.

 

[The Faulker 27]

WE WON! I didn't get to watch, but f*** YEAH WE WON!

AND SVECH AND NINO! WHAT?!?!

 

[Canes]

Life has gotten in the way of late, so I haven’t really followed the league too closely, but have Kane/Toews usually been that invisible lately? Barely heard Toews name today, and heard Kirby far more than Kane.

Toews sucks, nothing new. Kane seems to have checked out since the Hawks blow now.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Hey guys what’s up

I know I haven’t been in this thread yet but just wanted to pop in and wish Petr the best of luck finishing this shutout

You know perfectly well that there's only one way to talk about this topic:

"one story left"

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't know if any of this has changed, but period breaks are 18 minutes, and TV timeouts are 2:30 each, three times per period. So that's almost exactly an hour of built-in stoppages (36 minutes in intermissions, 22:30 in TV timeouts = 58.5 minutes).

Note: The TV timeouts are "officially" two minutes, but broadcast teams asked to increase the break to 2:30 so they could have 30 seconds to do a "game reset" type block when coming back from commercials, and not going right to the faceoff.

Jeez. I didn’t realize we spent almost 8 minutes per period just sitting around during timeouts. Ridiculous. No wonder games don’t flow the way they used to.

I do agree with the extra 30 seconds coming out of commercial. It sucked coming back with the players already set for the faceoff and having no context for the start of play.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Going back to the discussion on page 1, you do get the vibe that there will be a resolution at some point when it comes to the defense. If there is trade, I hope it's not Fleury. He did what he needed to do in my mind through the first 10 games. It's in the best mid-term interest of the organization for him to be playing. It's one thing for him to be a perma-scratch if they had retained Faulk; he would have been a casualty maxing out to build the best roster possible. For van Riemsdyk and Edmundson, it's a different story. Fleury can provide 2-3 additional years of surplus value, whereas the vets will be elsewhere or playing for a cap hit their UFA status will command.

 

[Canes]

Going back to the discussion on page 1, you do get the vibe that there will be a resolution at some point when it comes to the defense. If there is trade, I hope it's not Fleury. He did what he needed to do in my mind through the first 10 games. It's in the best mid-term interest of the organization for him to be playing. It's one thing for him to be a perma-scratch if they had retained Faulk; he would have been a casualty maxing out to build the best roster possible. For van Riemsdyk and Edmundson, it's a different story. Fleury can provide 2-3 additional years of surplus value, whereas the vets will be elsewhere or playing for a cap hit their UFA status will command.

I agree. Fleury is no worse than TVR. TVR is a very good bottom pairing d-man when healthy but he can't carry a bottom pairing any more than Fleury can. Fleury is getting sort of a raw deal here.

I think it's clear Brindy prefers TVR and doesn't really like Fleury's game for whatever reason so the writing may be on the wall already. I just hope if we do trade him, one of the d-men down on the farm are ready because I think they'll be playing a lot eventually.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Going back to the discussion on page 1, you do get the vibe that there will be a resolution at some point when it comes to the defense. If there is trade, I hope it's not Fleury. He did what he needed to do in my mind through the first 10 games. It's in the best mid-term interest of the organization for him to be playing. It's one thing for him to be a perma-scratch if they had retained Faulk; he would have been a casualty maxing out to build the best roster possible. For van Riemsdyk and Edmundson, it's a different story. Fleury can provide 2-3 additional years of surplus value, whereas the vets will be elsewhere or playing for a cap hit their UFA status will command.

Yes, Fleury's contract is more attractive than either Edmundson or TvR, but in order to agree with your thinking, we'd have to accept that Fleury is at least the equal *on the ice* to Edmundson or TvR. I just don't feel that's the case.

As of this second, I'd rather sit Gardiner than Edmundson. I wouldn't sit either, obviously, I just want to point out that I think Edmundson brings something unique to the table and I'd find it very difficult to take him out of the lineup in favor of Fleury. And I think TvR is criminally underrated around here. He's the best third-pair RD in the league, IMO.

The organization has to do what's best for the organization, not Haydn Fleury. Obviously, both Edmundson and TvR are unrestricted after this season, but they give us the best chance to win games now, which is the priority. I think the org would like to keep Fleury around in case we decide not to bring back one or both of the UFAs, but in the end, they really don't care if they lose Fleury because they have Bean, Sellgren, Priskie and others coming up.

TL;DR: Although it would be great if he was, Fleury simply is not good enough to force a trade to open a spot. We'd get weaker to save money, and that's not the mode we're in right now.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Yes, Fleury's contract is more attractive than either Edmundson or TvR, but in order to agree with your thinking, we'd have to accept that Fleury is at least the equal *on the ice* to Edmundson or TvR. I just don't feel that's the case.

As of this second, I'd rather sit Gardiner than Edmundson. I wouldn't sit either, obviously, I just want to point out that I think Edmundson brings something unique to the table and I'd find it very difficult to take him out of the lineup in favor of Fleury. And I think TvR is criminally underrated around here. He's the best third-pair RD in the league, IMO.

The organization has to do what's best for the organization, not Haydn Fleury. Obviously, both Edmundson and TvR are unrestricted after this season, but they give us the best chance to win games now, which is the priority. I think the org would like to keep Fleury around in case we decide not to bring back one or both of the UFAs, but in the end, they really don't care if they lose Fleury because they have Bean, Sellgren, Priskie and others coming up.

TL;DR: Although it would be great if he was, Fleury simply is not good enough to force a trade to open a spot. We'd get weaker to save money, and that's not the mode we're in right now.

Pretty much all of this. I think every dman we have is a clear upgrade over Fleury, even admitting that Fleury has been better than I expected to start the season. I don't think we'd miss a beat in any way if Fleury is moved out at some point.

Great win. Glad things are back on track. Not only did they win, but they mostly looked like they should doing it.

 

[spockBokk]

Maybe Fleury is back in next game...They just sent Gibbons back down...which is odd. I thought Gibbons fit in well today.

or maybe that’s just cap management...

 

[Wolfpuck]

Never EVER schedule a home game during the state fair again. f*** this traffic.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Maybe Fleury is back in next game...They just sent Gibbons back down...which is odd. I thought Gibbons fit in well today.

or maybe that’s just cap management...

Cap management? Need to save that 12k I guess.

 

[HisIceness]

Toews sucks, nothing new. Kane seems to have checked out since the Hawks blow now.

Nashville broke them after years of Kane/Toews torturing the Predators. Life comes at you fast.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I still feel all that comes down to cap management. I'm sure we'll see a lot of that, whether for Williams or other moves down the line.

 

[HisIceness]

Never EVER schedule a home game during the state fair again. **** this traffic.

My favorite state fair memory traffic is 2002. State plays Duke at Carter-Finley (Philip Rivers is on the squad and at the time the Wolfpack are ranked and undefeated) in an early game, and then the Canes have a 7pm date with New Jersey, and since this is the season after the Finals appearance there's still a buzz around the team.

I went to the football game, I believe kickoff was just after 12 but the game lasted a long time, and came down to a missed Duke FG attempt to win. No one could leave the stadium for an hour, if not more. People were leaving their cars to go pee behind the trees. I think after that it was decided that playing home games, both hockey and football during the fair, wasn't a great idea.

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

In the old days long before there was a Wade/I40 or Edwards Mill and Blue Ridge was 2 lanes they would play the UNC/NCSU game on the only Saturday of the fair. Eventually they wised up.