Proposal: Chicago - STL

[thedoughboy]

Hockey Reference has Schwartz's career CF% and FF% at 53.6% and 54.1%, respectively.

Panarin's at 53.4% and 51.8%, respectively.

Jaden had better numbers than Panarin in both categories if you are just talking about last year as well.

Not that I really think those numbers mean much of anything when it comes to proving the point you are trying to prove (especially when Panarin has a career OZS of 77% ). I'm just curious how you justify saying that Schwartz's numbers are "trash" compared to Panarin's when Panarin's numbers are worse.

Because when you factor in the team they are on, they are worse.

Look at 5v5 CF%rel and FF%rel,. Panarin bettered schwartz best season, and last year by a fair margin, numbers are in my last post.

Panarin started 77% in the OZ because he converts at nearly half a point per game higher, not all hard to figure that one.

They don't prove my point, but putting the numbers put him as a player that is on the ice for more shots against his own net than against the other teams, which is a bad thing.

 

[EastonBlues22]

Because when you factor in the team they are on, they are worse.

Look at 5v5 CF%rel and FF%rel,. Panarin bettered schwartz best season, and last year by a fair margin, numbers are in my last post.

Panarin started 77% in the OZ because he converts at nearly half a point per game higher, not all hard to figure that one.

They don't prove my point, but putting the numbers put him as a player that is on the ice for more shots against his own net than against the other teams, which is a bad thing.

You understand that doesn't make any sense, right? It certainly isn't normal for players to have OZS% splits that extreme regardless of how high their PPG is, and it's completely nonsensical to justify that sort of split because his PPG is higher than Schwartz's specifically (who plays with different linemates, in a different system, on a different team).

That's one of the most extreme ZS splits in the entire league. You could plop Panarin on basically any other team, including the Blues, and he wouldn't be used that way regardless of what his PPG was.

You also know that using relative Corsi or relative Fenwick is not a good way to compare two players on different teams, right? Even ignoring usage, a good player playing with good linemates on a team with terrible depth is going to always look a lot better than he would playing with good linemates on a team with much better depth, which makes comparing them by that measure pretty much worthless.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Any relative stat is not meant to compare players on different teams.