Speculation: Chicago scouting Colorado (5 straight games, GM in person today)

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Nah. You just overrate Rantanen, at least you guys do on this board. I've seen the posts in your sub bringing up the same issues I am w regards to Rantanen, and the ones pining for Jones. He isnt gonna be retained and sold for scraps, how does that make any sense for Chi?

No, what's terrible is trading a young top 4 dman for Casey Mittelstadt. Or paying a winger who can't drive a line 14 million.

And Casey Mittelstadt is shit. What is your point? I never said he was old.

Now you're just making a fool out of yourself.


But I get it, you're one of those posters. Every team has a couple

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

But dude, you're a msg board moderator. Let's keep it to hockey and not pretend like you have any experience when it comes to talking to women.

 

[Jarvi]

Now you're just making a fool out of yourself.


But I get it, you're one of those posters. Every team has a couple

A couple what? Casey Mittelstadt haters? Mikko Rantanen truthers?

If so, guilty as charged.

 

[Dr Amazing]

And Casey Mittelstadt is shit. What is your point? I never said he was old.

Point is hes only 26 You made it sound like hes older lol.

 

[Jarvi]

Point is hes only 26 You made it sound like hes older lol.

Fair enough, re-reading it I understand the confusion. I meant because he sucks, and since young top 4 Dmen are a hot commodity in the NHL he wasn't worth one, especially of Byram's caliber.

 

[Richard88]

Nichushkin's name was linked to Chicago last summer but it was too risky then. But now...

 

[John Mandalorian]

Deleted.

 

[Richard88]

Probably the only realistic pieces of interest to the Avs from Chicago's roster:

Hall
Donato
Murphy
Martinez
Seth Jones
Reichel as a reclamation

On most of those there would likely have to be significant retention and/or money going back to make it viable.

 

[MakeCgyGreatAgain]

Rantanen for Bedard and Korchinski

And a 7th

 

[ColbyChaos]

You’re trying really hard to convince people your trade proposal was good. It’s like the guy who turns aggressive and “nags” girls when they reject him. Let’s just agree to just keep the trash we already have

Enjoy the infraction lmao

 

[Jarvi]

Yes. Indeed it is terrible. Never mind Rantanen.

The Jones contract was Chicago’s mistake. They need to fix their mistake by retaining to where his value then makes him appealing. And Chicago needs to retain without being compensated for it if they’re fixing their mistake.

He’s overpaid by at least 2M per year - that’s now. It might even be more by the end of the deal. He becomes a FA in 2030. That’s 12M of salary bloat as cap dump if someone takes on the entire contract. If a 1st is the value for taking on 6M of cap dump, you’re now looking at 2 firsts for him having such a bloated salary.

Also, it’s extremely hard to imagine that Bertuzzi would ever play for the Avs.

Oh yeah, I guess there was that whole thing with Uncle Todd. Didn't think of that connection.

On Jones though, if the cap is going to 97m, Jones will be paid fairly. Hell, even now I bet he looks a lot better on the Avs than Chi and no one cares what he makes. GM's pay for this type of guy, even if his +/- is bad on a shit team. You retain 2m, and you have a bidding war. You can try and argue that he is overpaid and "x amount is worth all the picks Yada yada" well ok, then go find a cheap top 4 RHD who can munch minutes and put up points. I won't wait up as every team is looking for that guy to some degree.

The league is kind of in a weird spot in that not many top end D have signed recently, so some of the best guys are still steals midway through their term as they were signed with a much lower cap or out of their ELC. The max contract for fwds has increased by 1.5m in the last couple years. The last big name D to sign was Dahlin(?), a year ago, and he didn't push the max at 11. What I'm getting at, is in a couple years when Makar/Hughes are busting through that ceiling and making idk, 15+? as both are signidicantly better than Dahlin; well your gonna have a lot more mid guys getting Jones money. So I disagree that the deal looks worse in a couple years, I think the opposite ends up true.

And this assumes Colorado and Mikko can't come to terms on a deal, because Jones+Teuvo++ is a lot better than nothing next year if Mikko follows the money. Which I wouldn't be able to match if he is looking for 13+. Not for a guy that needs Mackinnon for his line to not get caved.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Oh yeah, I guess there was that whole thing with Uncle Todd. Didn't think of that connection.

On Jones though, if the cap is going to 97m, Jones will be paid fairly. Hell, even now I bet he looks a lot better on the Avs than Chi and no one cares what he makes. GM's pay for this type of guy, even if his +/- is bad on a shit team. You retain 2m, and you have a bidding war. You can try and argue that he is overpaid and "x amount is worth all the picks Yada yada" well ok, then go find a cheap top 4 RHD who can munch minutes and put up points. I won't wait up as every team is looking for that guy to some degree.

The league is kind of in a weird spot in that not many top end D have signed recently, so some of the best guys are still steals midway through their term as they were signed with a much lower cap or out of their ELC. The max contract for fwds has increased by 1.5m in the last couple years. The last big name D to sign was Dahlin(?), a year ago, and he didn't push the max at 11. What I'm getting at, is in a couple years when Makar/Hughes are busting through that ceiling and making idk, 15+? as both are signidicantly better than Dahlin; well your gonna have a lot more mid guys getting Jones money. So I disagree that the deal looks worse in a couple years, I think the opposite ends up true.

And this assumes Colorado and Mikko can't come to terms on a deal, because Jones+Teuvo++ is a lot better than nothing next year if Mikko follows the money. Which I wouldn't be able to match if he is looking for 13+. Not for a guy that needs Mackinnon for his line to not get caved.

Teams have to manage the cap today. Also, you can’t assume Jones won’t have age regression. By the time mid guys are making 9M, he may not even be that.

You have to also consider other options today. There are players making half of what Jones is making today, yet he’s not twice as good as them. Don’t get me wrong. He’s a good D but he’s not 9.5M good. He’s value probably aligns more in the range of 6.5-7.0M...and maybe it would be more if he was on a team having more success. Cant know that for sure though.

Besides, this topic is probably a waste of time. Jones would be a very unAvs like target based on how they’ve operated in the past.

And constantly reiterating that Jones would be better than losing Rantanen for nothing is also untrue. The whole justification for letting him walk would be to use the space for depth. Jones’ salary takes up so much of that space, it precludes them from adding depth.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

No, what's terrible is trading a young top 4 dman for Casey Mittelstadt. Or paying a winger who can't drive a line 14 million.

Are people already forgetting that putting Rants on their 2nd line center during their cup run when they ran through injury troubles kept them afloat?

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Ivan Ivan for Kurashev? Or maybe Reichel?