Proposal: Chicago-Arizona
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thesaadfather
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I like the deal value-wise and it fills a need from a Chicago perspective, but isn't Reider looking for a raise to $2.5 million+?
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thedoughboy
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Chicago's managed their cap so well they can't afford 3rd line players. Let alone the 1LW they still need.
rt
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Rieder would likely sign at 2.5mil with Chicago. I don't know if they can afford that. Also, Ville Pokka isn't enough.
Pokka is waiver Exempt still so you can keep him in the minors, Which has some value his is Also a Right D which also adds some value. He looks to be a sure fire NHL d man the question is does his upside higher then 4/5. probably that is about it. Hawks can afford about 1.5-2 to pay a wing at this point. The reason he might do it with the hawks on a 1 year deal would be he would probably be getting top 6 minutes. Which would really set him up for his next deal. SAAD was a 2nd rounder and ended up a LT 6 mil deal after his ELC. POKKA made his WC team for Finland
rt
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Rieder is >90% (my opinion) to hit at least 40pts with the Hawks while playing top PK mins. >50% odds (opinion) to hit at least 45pts for the Hawks. Andrew Ladd was a 45pt rental last deadline and returned Dano and a 1st. This is obviously a different situation, but I'd say a piece like Rieder should be worth somewhere between just Pokka and the Dano+1st package. We just traded an early 2nd for DeAngelo. I'd hesitate to give up Rieder for basically the same prospect.
thesaadfather
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rt
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Yeah, there's no reason to stop. It's working. Haha. More than any other team in the last decade, anyway.
rt
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Yeah, around the deadline our most glaring need was D depth where we were just empty. Then we traded for Kyle Wood. And signed Alex Goligoski to a five year deal. And traded for Anthony DeAngelo. At the draft, we took just a single forward. We used every other pick on D. Then we decided to keep Connauton, Dahlbeck, and Tinordi after not qualifying them. Then we decided not to buy out Michalek. Then we signed Schenn. All of the sudden, we're not so desperate. It's not like we're stacked with D, but it's not nearly as pathetically thin (organizationally) as it was five months ago.
I want Bowman to hang onto Pokka. He's going to be a good one and eventually Seabrook is going to slow down and the Hawks are going to need to replace him and Pokka IMO is a legit top 4 to do that.
A lot of tears can fit inside 3 Stanley Cups.
Chicago went for it...and it worked. 3 times.
I don't know what that means considering there are many teams that are worse off than the Hawks when it comes to the cap - oh yeah and the Hawks won 3 cups so...
I think what Bowman has done is nothing short of amazing. Yeah, he has handed out some bad contracts but you know what? you can excuse that because the Blackhawks continue to win.
As far as #1 LW, if it's an issue still in December you better believe Bowman will address it, however as of now the "hole" at #1 LW is nothing more than conjecture. Perhaps one of the kids will step into that role?
Blackhawkswincup
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Pokka is blocked by Bowman from playing on Hawks and will have to be exposed in expansion draft
Future is looking bleak for Pokka in Hawks organization
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
He is blocked but he is more blocked by Keith, Hammer, Seabrook, Campbell, and MK than he is by Bowman.
I personally think we need to move a D and if we did I would move TVR (actually Seabrook after this year but that is a pipe dream).
TVR is the 7th best D man on our roster, which is a great problem to have. 1. Keith 2. Hammer 3./4. Campbell/Seabrook 5. MK (could end up being 3) 6. Pokka 7. TVR. This is the deepest D the Hawks have ever had. TVR is due for a new deal after the 17/18 season so that helps with his market value.
Technically speaking we don't have to expose Pokka if we go with the alternative to protecting 7 forwards, 3 D, and 1 goalie, which is what I would do.
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Rieder's too expensive for Chicago, while Pokka isn't worth Rieder, and wouldn't make the Coyotes roster. I don't see the fit for either team
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
OEL - Murphy
Goligoski - Stone
Connauton - Schenn
Dahlbeck, Michalek, DeAngelo
Where would he fit?
BK
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thedoughboy
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I Can't hear you.
What was that you said?
Speak up please
Not really TBH, as sad as that is. And I'd agree with you on that one.
Pokka is blocked because he isn't good enough to be on the roster of a cup contending team, or at least he hasn't been up to this point. Where would you slot him in?
That doesn't mean he can actually play at that level yet.
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
Actually if you watched him last year in Rockford and then so far in international play he has show he can play on the NHL level. He just turned 22 this summer.
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