Confirmed with Link: [CHI/VAN] Gustav Forsling traded for Adam Clendening

[Vankiller Whale]

Roster players are a whole different matter than prospects. One has to do with how you want to construct your team today, the other has more to do with how you project these players to develop.

Meh. Benning's drafting hasn't been very impressive either.

 

[thefeebster]

His skating is god-awful. I wanted us to take him in the 6th or 7th but that's definitely a case where there's more to it than stats. (Still, much better gamble than the ones we took.)

I think he still gets around okay, not much difference between him and Wallmark, for example in that regard. But technique wise, it sure isn't pretty, almost like Phoebe Buffay running on ice (Yes, i have begun a Friends Marathon on Netflix ). I think he would greatly benefit from re-learning his stride and the way he uses his edges to generate power. Would have made a great late round project (as we both wanted).

 

[WTG]

Meh. Benning's drafting hasn't been very impressive either.

Virtanen is hot right now, McCann is hot right now, Demko is hot right now, Tryamkin is playing decently in the second best league in the world.

Meh no impressed.

 

[684]

Virtanen is hot right now, McCann is hot right now, Demko is hot right now, Tryamkin is playing decently in the second best league in the world.

Meh no impressed.

Well, I will reserve judgement until we get a look at these guys at the AHL/NHL level.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

I think the key issue is that people have a lot less confidence in Benning deciding someone is expendable than they do the Blackhawks.

Benning's track record in terms of whom he deemed "expendable" as of late(Seguin, Garrison, Santorelli) hasn't exactly been encouraging.

Lol... so basically "this move is bad because Benning made it"

Gonna be a long tenure with Benning as gm for those fans if that is their immediate conclusion...

 

[Tiranis]

Yes, i have begun a Friends Marathon on Netflix

Are you me?

 

[Vankiller Whale]

Virtanen is hot right now, McCann is hot right now, Demko is hot right now, Tryamkin is playing decently in the second best league in the world.

Meh no impressed.

I'm talking about in Boston. It's silly to look at just this past year's draft to say he's a good drafter.

 

[drax0s]

I'm talking about in Boston. It's silly to look at just this past year's draft to say he's a good drafter.

What about his time in Buffalo?

 

[CanaFan]

Meh. Benning's drafting hasn't been very impressive either.

Then why all the angst over trading Forsling ... a player he drafted?

 

[CanaFan]

I'm talking about in Boston. It's silly to look at just this past year's draft to say he's a good drafter.

How much input does the AGM typically have on draft selections? Did he have the authority to veto Chiarelli or was he merely one of many voices involved in the process?

 

[BoHorvat 53]

I'm talking about in Boston. It's silly to look at just this past year's draft to say he's a good drafter.

GM PC has the final say on draft decisions in BOS.

 

[Johnny Canuck]

from all that i recall reading about benning, while he worked with sabers the team found some great gems in the middle of the rounds. however sabers first round selections were pretty poor, while he was director of amateur scouting.

i honestly felt tim burke of sanjose had a better resume when it came to scouting at least. but its the age old hire the guy who has won adage.

 

[PM]

The Kings guy, Fata, sounded like he was pretty highly regarded too but they promoted him the second they got word of interest. I just want a good GM who makes good trades and doesn't bleed value. The scouting will ultimately rely on the scouting staff but trading and contracts is all GM.

 

[Vankiller Whale]

What about his time in Buffalo?

When you have to go back a decade to find decent results...

Then why all the angst over trading Forsling ... a player he drafted?

Hilarious.

How much input does the AGM typically have on draft selections? Did he have the authority to veto Chiarelli or was he merely one of many voices involved in the process?

Given his scouting background I would assume a lot, because if the Bruins felt his input wasn't good enough and they still had some pretty lousy drafting, then that means either Benning was awful or Chiarelli was for not listening to him.

 

[CanaFan]

Hilarious.

Didn't mean it to be. You mean you really can't see the contradiction in auto-slagging Benning for trading a player he drafted by using the reasoning that he is a poor evaluator of young talent?

Actually you are right ... it is hilarious.

Given his scouting background I would assume a lot, because if the Bruins felt his input wasn't good enough and they still had some pretty lousy drafting, then that means either Benning was awful or Chiarelli was for not listening to him.

And both of those are possible, so why ignore one of the two in arriving at your assumption that Benning is a poor evaluator of talent? I mean besides the fairly obvious reason of course ...

 

[Verviticus]

Didn't mean it to be. You mean you really can't see the contradiction in auto-slagging Benning for trading a player he drafted by using the reasoning that he is a poor evaluator of young talent?

Actually you are right ... it is hilarious.

you might think it a bit ironic but it doesn't undermine or counter his argument in any way

 

[WTG]

I don't understand what the criticism is for Bennings bad drafting.

Literally everyone of his draft picks is trending up aside for Petit who I don't even know but who cares its a 6th rounder

 

[Verviticus]

I don't understand what the criticism is for Bennings bad drafting.

Literally everyone of his draft picks is trending up aside for Petit who I don't even know but who cares its a 6th rounder

well, and stewart and tryamkin

 

[Aphid Attraction]

I'm talking about in Boston. It's silly to look at just this past year's draft to say he's a good drafter.

It is not silly here... In fact in is the only thing that matters...

 

[Aphid Attraction]

you might think it a bit ironic but it doesn't undermine or counter his argument in any way

That is a matter of opinion... I think it does... unless Benning did judge well with Forsling... then there is no reason to say he couldn't have judged well here

 

[Aphid Attraction]

well, and stewart and tryamkin

The Russian kid is doing well...

 

[Vankiller Whale]

Didn't mean it to be. You mean you really can't see the contradiction in auto-slagging Benning for trading a player he drafted by using the reasoning that he is a poor evaluator of young talent?

Actually you are right ... it is hilarious.

I've seen Forsling play, I'm not basing my evaluation of him on Benning's. Not to mention the Forsling pick was most likely based on Gradin's evaluation, not Benning's.

Just because Benning drafted him doesn't mean I can't not want to trade the player. If we traded Virtanen for Clendenning do you also think I'd have no right to be annoyed?

And both of those are possible, so why ignore one of the two in arriving at your assumption that Benning is a poor evaluator of talent? I mean besides the fairly obvious reason of course ...

You mean his body of work since coming to Vancouver? Yeah, when I think that around 90% of his moves have been somewhere between meh and awful, it makes a lot more sense to assume Benning is being taken yet again rather than thinking that this time he's the one who pulled one over Bowman.

 

[WTG]

well, and stewart and tryamkin

Stewart Petit are 6-7 thrash picks w/e he didn't find a diamond in the rough there. Tryamkin is actually trending up and developing quite nicely he doesn't need to put up big points he is a stay at home defenseman. I expect his point totals to go up once he gets to North American ice where his size becomes a real advantage for him.

It's not uncommon for a young KHL defenseman to put up little points in the KHL

 

[Verviticus]

That is a matter of opinion... I think it does... unless Benning did judge well with Forsling... then there is no reason to say he couldn't have judged well here

its not a matter of opinion at all. the following is an opinion: "i trust benning's drafting". thats fine. what im saying is his points are not inherently contradicted by his opinion on drafting. i can hold that

A: i dont think benning is a good enough judge of young talent and
B: i think forsling too high a price to pay

without any problems

 

[Pip]

Stewart Petit are 6-7 thrash picks w/e he didn't find a diamond in the rough there. Tryamkin is actually trending up and developing quite nicely he doesn't need to put up big points he is a stay at home defenseman. I expect his point totals to go up once he gets to North American ice where his size becomes a real advantage for him.

It's not uncommon for a young KHL defenseman to put up little points in the KHL

Is he? There's little to no info coming from the KHL regarding his play. Didn't he get sent down to the junior leagues earlier this season?