Proposal: Chi-Tor

[banks]

It's an OK proposal. I think the value is fair enough.

But I don't think Toronto needs an upgrade on Timmins badly enough to pull the trigger. There's no need to add to the blueline unless it's a top pair guy who is a difference maker (at a much higher cost, obviously).

If Toronto is trading young forward depth, it should be for a more sure-thing solution for their forward group now. That's the current need.

 

[HockeyVirus]

You trying to claim Timmons makes Chicago’s top 7 next year and into the future is laughable.

But then again I read your posts it’s no surprise.
Maybe sometime before you die you’ll have a good team (in April, May and June) to root for. … but don’t hold your breath.

Oh, suddenly the comment makes sense. I won't waste my time here then

 

[HockeyVirus]

By some Leafs fans account Tanev, OEL, Tavares, McCabe are all slowing down. Worth nothing with retention

Huh? Which leaf fans? These guys are playing some of the best hockey of their careers (Esp Tavares and McCabe.. Tanev and OEL I think just doing what they do)

 

[Sinbad]

I don't think the Leafs needs are on defense at this point. Of course could always improve but they need help up front badly. I would prefer the cap space and assets to stay for that.

Also, who is this upgrading? We're paying Minten to upgrade on Timmins? IDK I don't see this as some huge upgrade worth the price for us.



You trying to say Hawks have better defense than Toronto? Laughable

You sure about that? Reilly has been a huge disappointment this season.

As for the trade proposal, I think the Leafs decline. I’m a Hawks fan and have always felt Murphy was a little overrated. At this point if an acquiring team is taking on his full cap hit I can’t see the Hawks getting more than a 3rd for him, especially with his injury concerns/history. With 50% retention perhaps that gets bumped up to a 2nd. If you were to package Jason Dickinson with him then I think you could definitely get a 1st or perhaps a 2nd and Minten.

 

[EK392000]

Trades generally involve two teams, sorry to say.

Of course you are. And in your world, every team should shake Treliving’s hand and then bow down to him for giving up their valuable players for garbage. Many such cases.

In the real world, teams need to give up value for value.

You keep trying to dunk on me like I am the one that made an offer for Murphy and am trying to convince you to take it. All I've said is that I do not want to give up Minten. I am as entitled to that opinion as you are to your opinion that Murphy is worth that package. Let's just leave it there.

By some Leafs fans account Tanev, OEL, Tavares, McCabe are all slowing down. Worth nothing with retention

Attempts to reverse an argument like this hardly ever work out. All of those guys are doing what they've done for their entire careers. The only exception is OEL, who has seemingly accepted his 4/5 defence man role, and we are paying him as such.

 

[HockeyVirus]

You sure about that? Reilly has been a huge disappointment this season.

Am I sure that the team that middle of the pack in offense and has held 1st in the Atlantic for 3/4 of the season has a better defense than a team in competition got 1st OA? Yeah I am.

As for the trade proposal, I think the Leafs decline. I’m a Hawks fan and have always felt Murphy was a little overrated. At this point if an acquiring team is taking on his full cap hit I can’t see the Hawks getting more than a 3rd for him, especially with his injury concerns/history. With 50% retention perhaps that gets bumped up to a 2nd. If you were to package Jason Dickinson with him then I think you could definitely get a 1st or perhaps a 2nd and Minten.

I just don't think these are the type of dmen the Leafs need. They are 32nd in the league for offense from their D. Their defense is very good at actual defense. They need offense and not offense like Barrie but someone who won't get caved in non sheltered minutes but can produce on the PP.

Instead of trying to get that unicorn, better off addressing the forward group. It needs help badly. We need guys who can score.

 

[LTIR]

You keep trying to dunk on me like I am the one that made an offer for Murphy and am trying to convince you to take it. All I've said is that I do not want to give up Minten. I am as entitled to that opinion as you are to your opinion that Murphy is worth that package. Let's just leave it there.


Attempts to reverse an argument like this hardly ever work out. All of those guys are doing what they've done for their entire careers. The only exception is OEL, who has seemingly accepted his 4/5 defence man role, and we are paying him as such.

Reversing and argument was an attempt to make you realize that just because some fans on online boards are down on a player doesn't mean their value is crumbled.
As if TML don't shit on their players after every loss in Post game threads

 

[VeteranPresence]

You keep trying to dunk on me like I am the one that made an offer for Murphy and am trying to convince you to take it.

No, you ran Murphy down with still unproven anecdotes and then tried to tout Minten as more valuable. I could quote you again if you want.

All I've said is that I do not want to give up Minten. I am as entitled to that opinion as you are to your opinion that Murphy is worth that package. Let's just leave it there.

Stating that something you read on a message board is a fact != opinion, but I'll take that as an admission you made it up and don't want to (or can't) argue further.

 

[Fogelhund]

To
D Connor Murphy (50% retained)

To
C Fraser Minten
D Connor Timmins

Leafs get RD in Murphy at 50% for the rest of this year and next

Hawks get a young C in Minten with good upside and a warm body in Timmins to finish out year for Hawks at RD in Murphy's spot

Murphy has a modified NTC (10 team) but likely not difficult to get him to go to Toronto given Leafs are pursuing a cup while Hawks are abysmal. Murphy is not getting younger and may only have a few more years left to play so wasting his career on losers has to weigh a bit on him at this point I would imagine

Thoughts?

It's not bad, but I'd try to find a way to replace Minten's value there. 2025 2nd + Steeves or Niemela or Danford for example. Steeves has been a bit of a later bloomer at 25, still with the Marlies, but is leading the AHL in goal scoring, and added some physicality to his game. I think he's a NHL player, so him and a 2nd probably equals Minten's value. But I think the value is pretty close.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

All I have seen from Hawks fans this year is talking about how terrible Murphy has been this year. I will believe them. Pass.

 

[ToDavid]

I feel like Murphy was a hot trade chip a handful of years ago but all I've heard about him lately from Hawks fans is how cooked he is...

 

[LeafChief]

I'm surprised to see so many Hawks fans saying yes to this. I didn't think this would be enough for Murphy at 50% retention for this season and next.

Has he been bad? McCabe has been so god damn good for the Leafs that Murphy was someone I have had interest in in the past.

 

[Leafshater67]

Murphy is totally shot. He’s a 7D at this point and the leafs have a lot of those.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Murphy is totally shot. He’s a 7D at this point and the leafs have a lot of those.

Let's not say things we both know aren't true

 

[Doc300c]

This feels like a poor return for the Hawks. Minten looks like a future 4C or fringe 3C/4C to me and Timmins seems like a warm body. I feel they should be able to get more for Murphy.

I've looked at 3 Leafs trades this morning and you're in all 3 talking trash about Leaf prospects.

Trolls everywhere

 

[Empoleon8771]

I've looked at 3 Leafs trades this morning and you're in all 3 talking trash about Leaf prospects.

Trolls everywhere

Oh no, I don't think every single Leafs prospect is Sidney Crosby 2.0!

The Leafs prospect pool is ranked like 30th in the league. Beyond Cowan, it's not good.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Oh no, I don't think every single Leafs prospect is Sidney Crosby 2.0!

The Leafs prospect pool is ranked like 30th in the league. Beyond Cowan, it's not good.

Based on who's rankings?

Because while I won't say it's great because it's not 30th seems harsh, I can think of a few teams I'd rank lower.

Your Pens, and the Bruins being among them.

Although the Pens do seem to be working on fixing that but as it currently stands I'd rank Pittsburgh lower.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Based on who's rankings?

Because while I won't say it's great because it's not 30th seems harsh, I can think of a few teams I'd rank lower.

Your Pens, and the Bruins being among them.

Although the Pens do seem to be working on fixing that but as it currently stands I'd rank Pittsburgh lower.

Scott Wheeler.

Putting the Penguins below the Leafs prospect pool is hilariously uneducated.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

It's not bad, but I'd try to find a way to replace Minten's value there. 2025 2nd + Steeves or Niemela or Danford for example. Steeves has been a bit of a later bloomer at 25, still with the Marlies, but is leading the AHL in goal scoring, and added some physicality to his game. I think he's a NHL player, so him and a 2nd probably equals Minten's value. But I think the value is pretty close.

Steeves is clearly not NHL talent if he was he would be on Leafs. At 25 yrs old his AHL play means nothing as AHL is full of guys who can score at AHL level but are not NHL talents

Niemela has shown little in AHL to justify even a look from Leafs at this point and I have read Leafs board before with talk of him possibly going back to Europe so again not all that appealing

Danford is intriging

 

[MisterT]

You trying to claim Timmons makes Chicago’s top 7 next year and into the future is laughable.

But then again I read your posts it’s no surprise.
Maybe sometime before you die you’ll have a good team (in April, May and June) to root for. … but don’t hold your breath.

Time for your mother to end your screen time.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Steeves is clearly not NHL talent if he was he would be on Leafs. At 25 yrs old his AHL play means nothing as AHL is full of guys who can score at AHL level but are not NHL talents

Niemela has shown little in AHL to justify even a look from Leafs at this point and I have read Leafs board before with talk of him possibly going back to Europe so again not all that appealing

Danford is intriging

I don’t think Steeves has a lot of value but I do think he has the chance to be a late bloomer. He has never really been given the chance to show what he can be at the NHL level honestly. Doesn’t mean he will turn into anything but I wouldn’t say the book is closed on him yet either.

 

[wetcoast]

This feels like a poor return for the Hawks. Minten looks like a future 4C or fringe 3C/4C to me and Timmins seems like a warm body. I feel they should be able to get more for Murphy.

Maybe more in terms of draft picks but those are also very hit and miss, Minten projects as an NHLer and maybe even a decent 3rd line one.

I think that the Leafs like Minten but they also can lure a 3rd line center in FA quite easily so this is something they might consider.

 

[Blaylock38]

Leafs Pass.

 

[Fogelhund]

Steeves is clearly not NHL talent if he was he would be on Leafs. At 25 yrs old his AHL play means nothing as AHL is full of guys who can score at AHL level but are not NHL talents

Niemela has shown little in AHL to justify even a look from Leafs at this point and I have read Leafs board before with talk of him possibly going back to Europe so again not all that appealing

Danford is intriging

I get what you are saying, but then Bobby McMann was just an AHL player up until last year as well... and now at 30, he's a good contributor for us.

Keep in mind, I actually watch these guys, and Marlies games... Steeves isn't a guy I thought would end up making it. He was a bit soft, and weak defensively. In the last two years, he's really modified his game, plays physical, and is decent defensively now. As well as really breaking out offensively. He is absolutely going to be a NHL player somewhere, and I hope he gets that chance. I'm not saying that to "sell" you on the idea of taking him in the least, but I do believe he ends up being a decent middle six offensive contributor somewhere... We've only every played him with completely inept 4th liners when we've called him up.

 

[Fatass]

It’s a smart play to move off prospects when it’s clear they aren’t going to turn out as hoped.