Proposal: Chi-Tor

[Blackhawkswincup]

To
D Connor Murphy (50% retained)

To
C Fraser Minten
D Connor Timmins

Leafs get RD in Murphy at 50% for the rest of this year and next

Hawks get a young C in Minten with good upside and a warm body in Timmins to finish out year for Hawks at RD in Murphy's spot

Murphy has a modified NTC (10 team) but likely not difficult to get him to go to Toronto given Leafs are pursuing a cup while Hawks are abysmal. Murphy is not getting younger and may only have a few more years left to play so wasting his career on losers has to weigh a bit on him at this point I would imagine

Thoughts?

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[FriendlyGhost92]

This should go well...

 

[EK392000]

Murphy is a corpse at this point. He doesn’t carry the value he once did.

Minten already has NHL games for the Leafs at 20 years old. He could become our 3C next year.

Leafs pass.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Murphy is a corpse at this point. He doesn’t carry the value he once did.

Minten already has NHL games for the Leafs at 20 years old. He could become our 3C next year.

Leafs pass.

This is the kind of totally unbiased and fair take I come to HF for, lmao.

 

[OVO16]

As a leaf fan, I really dont think this proposal is far off. On our board, Connor Murphy is someone most believe is practically destined to become a leaf at some point and that Connor Timmins would probably be involved

Minten is tough to give up but I can see this happening

 

[Empoleon8771]

This feels like a poor return for the Hawks. Minten looks like a future 4C or fringe 3C/4C to me and Timmins seems like a warm body. I feel they should be able to get more for Murphy.

 

[EK392000]

This is the kind of totally unbiased and fair take I come to HF for, lmao.

By Blackhawks fans’ own account, Murphy is slowing down and slowing down fast. He does not carry the value he once did.

Minten is highly regarded in the Leafs organization. Not as a blue chip prospect, but as a young, cost-controlled player that can provide responsible play in more limited minutes.

It isn’t an unbiased take. It’s cognizant of the Leafs’ organizational needs.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I'd throw in Donato to make it happen.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Murphy + Donato I could see

 

[Il Stugotz]

Murphy has a chronic hip injury that tanks his value and ability to stay on the ice. Hawks aren't getting anything back if a team is willing roll the dice on him

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think the basis for a deal is there.

I don'tthink the piece going back is Minten because if he gets moved I think it's in a deal for a center.

I don't hate it though

 

[Space umpire]

Timmons doesn’t play a shift for the hawks. Minton could be a decent 3 C on a winning team as he develops. Without retaining I’d rather just gain a 2nd and Minton for Murphy and a 3rd. ( Chicago’s 3rd and Toronto’s 2nd won’t be far apart).

 

[VeteranPresence]

By Blackhawks fans’ own account, Murphy is slowing down and slowing down fast. He does not carry the value he once did.

Source? What do the numbers say?

Minten is highly regarded in the Leafs organization. Not as a blue chip prospect, but as a young, cost-controlled player that can provide responsible play in more limited minutes.

Okay, and…? Do you think other teams want not highly regarded prospects for their assets, lol?

It isn’t an unbiased take. It’s cognizant of the Leafs’ organizational needs.

That’s awesome, how about those of those other clubs?

 

[Laus723]

By Blackhawks fans’ own account, Murphy is slowing down and slowing down fast. He does not carry the value he once did.

Minten is highly regarded in the Leafs organization. Not as a blue chip prospect, but as a young, cost-controlled player that can provide responsible play in more limited minutes.

It isn’t an unbiased take. It’s cognizant of the Leafs’ organizational needs.

He’s also coming in at 50%, so you’re not paying JUST for Murphy, it’s him and them retaining. And the OP isn’t calling for, as you put it, a blue chip prospect but Minten and Timmens. No other additions.

Pretty sure this deal would be accepted, or discussions would continue.

 

[Space umpire]

Murphy has a chronic hip injury that tanks his value and ability to stay on the ice. Hawks aren't getting anything back if a team is willing roll the dice on him

Murphy does not have a history of hip injuries.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Murphy needs an extended run of health to end the season before he’s getting traded.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Leafs say no

 

[HockeyVirus]

I don't think the Leafs needs are on defense at this point. Of course could always improve but they need help up front badly. I would prefer the cap space and assets to stay for that.

Also, who is this upgrading? We're paying Minten to upgrade on Timmins? IDK I don't see this as some huge upgrade worth the price for us.

Timmons doesn’t play a shift for the hawks. Minton could be a decent 3 C on a winning team as he develops. Without retaining I’d rather just gain a 2nd and Minton for Murphy and a 3rd. ( Chicago’s 3rd and Toronto’s 2nd won’t be far apart).

You trying to say Hawks have better defense than Toronto? Laughable

 

[The Management]

While we could use a guy like Murphy, I'm not terribly fond of trading Minten for him. Not saying Minten holds great trade value, but he does seem like a decent candidate to move into a bottom six center role on a team that could stand to have better depth in the position.

 

[Space umpire]

I don't think the Leafs needs are on defense at this point. Of course could always improve but they need help up front badly. I would prefer the cap space and assets to stay for that.

Also, who is this upgrading? We're paying Minten to upgrade on Timmins? IDK I don't see this as some huge upgrade worth the price for us.



You trying to say Hawks have better defense than Toronto? Laughable

You trying to claim Timmons makes Chicago’s top 7 next year and into the future is laughable.

But then again I read your posts it’s no surprise.
Maybe sometime before you die you’ll have a good team (in April, May and June) to root for. … but don’t hold your breath.

 

[EK392000]

Source? What do the numbers say?



Okay, and…? Do you think other teams want not highly regarded prospects for their assets, lol?



That’s awesome, how about those of those other clubs?

My source are these boards, hence why I said Blackhawks fans’ account. There are several posts but I don’t have the time to track them down.

To your second question, yes. Teams trade second tier prospects all the time. They have value, believe it or not.

And to your last question, I don’t need to consider what the Blackhawks need. This isn’t my proposal. I am simply offering my take as a Leafs fan.

The Leafs have decent defensive depth and the acquisition of Murphy, even though he would be an upgrade on some of our defenders, is not as dire as it has been in years past. Minten’s value is greatest to the Leafs and I am opposed to trading him on the grounds that he can play NHL games on an ELC, which we will need for cap flexibility. I’d much rather trade an equivalent pick for Murphy if it came to that.

 

[EK392000]

He’s also coming in at 50%, so you’re not paying JUST for Murphy, it’s him and them retaining. And the OP isn’t calling for, as you put it, a blue chip prospect but Minten and Timmens. No other additions.

Pretty sure this deal would be accepted, or discussions would continue.

The retention does add value, especially for a team like Toronto.

Minten is valuable because he can plug into the bottom 6 on an ELC, which is good for our long term cap flexibility. He also has decent upside to be a solid 3C.

If this deal did happen, I think there would be a pick equivalent in value to Minten instead of Minten. Probably along the lines of the McCabe trade, but to a lesser extent.

 

[Laus723]

The retention does add value, especially for a team like Toronto.

Minten is valuable because he can plug into the bottom 6 on an ELC, which is good for our long term cap flexibility. He also has decent upside to be a solid 3C.

If this deal did happen, I think there would be a pick equivalent in value to Minten instead of Minten. Probably along the lines of the McCabe trade, but to a lesser extent.

Possibly, younger player locked in at a low rate is definitely valuable. Samoskevich has this for Florida.

 

[VeteranPresence]

My source are these boards, hence why I said Blackhawks fans’ account. There are several posts but I don’t have the time to track them down.

Amazing. Well I read here on the boards that Minten is a meh prospect. Am I going to provide a source? No, I don’t have time.

To your second question, yes. Teams trade second tier prospects all the time. They have value, believe it or not.

Sure they do, but not for proven top four defenders with term. Which leads me to…

And to your last question, I don’t need to consider what the Blackhawks need.

Trades generally involve two teams, sorry to say.

This isn’t my proposal. I am simply offering my take as a Leafs fan.

Of course you are. And in your world, every team should shake Treliving’s hand and then bow down to him for giving up their valuable players for garbage. Many such cases.

In the real world, teams need to give up value for value.

 

[LTIR]

My source are these boards, hence why I said Blackhawks fans’ account. There are several posts but I don’t have the time to track them down.

To your second question, yes. Teams trade second tier prospects all the time. They have value, believe it or not.

And to your last question, I don’t need to consider what the Blackhawks need. This isn’t my proposal. I am simply offering my take as a Leafs fan.

The Leafs have decent defensive depth and the acquisition of Murphy, even though he would be an upgrade on some of our defenders, is not as dire as it has been in years past. Minten’s value is greatest to the Leafs and I am opposed to trading him on the grounds that he can play NHL games on an ELC, which we will need for cap flexibility. I’d much rather trade an equivalent pick for Murphy if it came to that.

By some Leafs fans account Tanev, OEL, Tavares, McCabe are all slowing down. Worth nothing with retention