Proposal: Chi - Tor

[Kshahdoo]

Brent Seabrook for JVR

Toronto needs a right shooting defenseman, who isn't a scrub, and Chicago does have one. Chicago needs a help on LW, so JVR will obviously... well, help.

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[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Brent Seabrook for JVR

Toronto needs a right shooting defenseman, who isn't a scrub, and Chicago does have one. Chicago needs a help on LW, so JVR will obviously... well, help.

Seabrook is on wrong side of 30

 

[mikeyp24]

I like it for CHI

 

[Kshahdoo]

Seabrook is on wrong side of 30

He's still a quality player, and Toronto needs some quality veterans anyway.

 

[NHL RankKing]

Wait... why is Kapanen not offered in this deal?

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Tempting... Seabrook is just a few years too old and a few hundred thousand dollars too expensive.

If we trade JVR, we should max retain at the deadline to a contender for a king's ransom.

 

[StevenB]

He's still a quality player, and Toronto needs some quality veterans anyway.

By time were ready to contend, seabrook wil most likely already be declining, which would just be a waste of an asset in JVR. I'm not at all against bringing a good vet in, but to pay JVR is too much

 

[shortfuze]

Brent Seabrook for JVR

Toronto needs a right shooting defenseman, who isn't a scrub, and Chicago does have one. Chicago needs a help on LW, so JVR will obviously... well, help.

That's actually a really tempting trade. I value a solid defencemen more then a winger. Seabrook would be so influential to the young defencemen Toronto has. Not sure what the plus would be but I think Chicago would want more. But with JVR's age and lower cap hit it just might work.

 

[shortfuze]

By time were ready to contend, seabrook wil most likely already be declining, which would just be a waste of an asset in JVR. I'm not at all against bringing a good vet in, but to pay JVR is too much

I think what seabrook would bring in would be pretty valuable to the leafs even right now. He could teach the kids for the next 4-5 years and beyond.

 

[willyjones]

Seabrook would be a nice add but what's his contract term and length???

If its not crazy what if it was like

To Toronto

Seabrook and Pokka

To Chicago

Jvr and lesser forward prospect and maybe even a d man ..

Leafs could d

Rielly Seabrook

Gardiner. Zeitsev

Carrick Pokka

Okay I see the issue with expansion dam thought that would work not bad looking d

 

[garyturner3]

A team in the 2nd year of a rebuild should be trading for a 31 year old d-man with 8 years of a huge cap hit? Makes zero sense for TO without even discussing value.

 

[Randy Randerson]

good on the OP for finding something that appears to be mutually interesting, but Seabrook's contract is a non-starter for the leafs. We're going to need that cap space, the term takes us through the RFA and first UFA contracts for all of the big 3, Rielly's next contract (where he'll be 28 years old and likely looking for big dollars), the RFA and UFA contracts for Zaitsev, the RFA and maybe UFA contracts for next year's first rounder, and who knows that else with all of the rookies we have coming up in the next few years

 

[TOGuy14]

Want no part of that Seabrook contract.

 

[kmwtrucks]

I tend to agree, it might not be a great fit, but its pretty well documented in all sports that if all you do is keeping putting young guys out there, They never really learn how to win or be professionals. When the hawks has Teows and Kane at 20 they also had Sharp 29, Campbell 30, Hossa 31 and that is what moved them from being a fun young losing team to a ST winner. look at the teams that just keep drafting in the top 5-10 every year. they never seem to get any better. Edmonton finally did because of Mcdavid but if your plan is to tank for 10 years on the hope to get a player that comes around once every 10 years that is not really much of a plan.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I tend to agree, it might not be a great fit, but its pretty well documented in all sports that if all you do is keeping putting young guys out there, They never really learn how to win or be professionals. When the hawks has Teows and Kane at 20 they also had Sharp 29, Campbell 30, Hossa 31 and that is what moved them from being a fun young losing team to a ST winner. look at the teams that just keep drafting in the top 5-10 every year. they never seem to get any better. Edmonton finally did because of Mcdavid but if your plan is to tank for 10 years on the hope to get a player that comes around once every 10 years that is not really much of a plan.

I'm sure there's some value to having veteran presence to shelter the younger guys and set examples, but I don't think there's a modern era team that has ever just marched out a bunch of rookies either. Even that Edmonton team had Ryan Smyth, Andrew Ference, Ales Hemsky and a bunch of depth players that were all older

When those teams rise from the ashes, its almost always on the backs of the young stars they drafted while they were bad, so I think it's easy to over-value the veteran presence unless its actually contributing on the ice

 

[SprDaVE]

That Seabrook contract is brutal... but it would be good in the short-term I guess.

 

[OLUSAF]

The problem I have with this offer from a Toronto perspective is the length on Seabrooks deal.

If both teams were to retain an equal amount or close to it I think I would be on board. I could even see the leafs adding.

Something like


JVR @ 50%
Carrick
For
Seabrook with 1.88 retained


Seabrook at 5 million by the end of his deal would probably still not be a great contract but easier to deal with. Chicago will get short term gain, Scuderis retention will be up at the end of this season so dead money shouldn't be too much of an issue.

 

[Kshahdoo]

That's actually a really tempting trade. I value a solid defencemen more then a winger. Seabrook would be so influential to the young defencemen Toronto has. Not sure what the plus would be but I think Chicago would want more. But with JVR's age and lower cap hit it just might work.

Chicago needs a space for Panarin, so they will hardly demand anything besides JVR. Of course it's from a mere hockey fan point of view and you never know, what GMs have in their heads.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I take it no one in here watches him and just goes on his pre contract reputation? Last year he was not good and has been worse this year.

This is an 8 year deal signed to a #1 D type money (I.E, worse than the Phaneuf contract you all wanted out of) and is a Giradi/Redden in the making.

Leafs lose this deal no matter if we only gave up a 7th.

 

[Dustin]

Nah. Would rather have JVR who is producing still and will be for this year and next than take a chance on a 31dman who may be off the rails as soon as next year.

Seabrook has had a pretty good career to this point. If he is being traded it should be to a contender for depth not a rebuilding team.

 

[stl76]

Seabrook is still a decent defenseman but that contract is one of the top 5 worst in the NHL IMO. It's borderline unmovable.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I take it no one in here watches him and just goes on his pre contract reputation? Last year he was not good and has been worse this year.

This is an 8 year deal signed to a #1 D type money (I.E, worse than the Phaneuf contract you all wanted out of) and is a Giradi/Redden in the making.

Leafs lose this deal no matter if we only gave up a 7th.

He's actually better this season, than he was last year.

 

[kmwtrucks]

I'm sure there's some value to having veteran presence to shelter the younger guys and set examples, but I don't think there's a modern era team that has ever just marched out a bunch of rookies either. Even that Edmonton team had Ryan Smyth, Andrew Ference, Ales Hemsky and a bunch of depth players that were all older

When those teams rise from the ashes, its almost always on the backs of the young stars they drafted while they were bad, so I think it's easy to over-value the veteran presence unless its actually contributing on the ice

Those depth players are borderline NHL players in there prime. Having your 13 FR or 7th D man be a vet does not help win. Mixing up talented Vets in with the young talent does. Sharp and hossa were top 6 guys and Campbell was top 4, mixed in with young teows, Kane, Buff, keith hammer and Seabs. My point is EDM is a bad example because Mcdavid is not a normal # 1 pick. What is they ended up with # 3 instead of #1?

 

[KGL]

That offer is hilariously bad for Toronto. Hawks can keep that anchor contract.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

His contract alone is a no go for me. Certainly wouldn't give up much for him meanwhile, a good player on a good contract.