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Confirmed with Link: CHI/COL/CAR -Rantanen, Hall to CAR, Necas, Drury, 2025 CAR second, 2026 CAR fourth to COL, 2025 CHI third back to Chicago

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Hawkaholic said:
Which means nothing
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"colorless green ideas sleep furiously" means nothing. "this team is retaining more salary in terms of cap than any other team in the league right now" means just that. you can say that it's of little consequence, and i'd agree, but that doesn't mean it's just nonsense.
 
BobbyJet said:
As for Avs thought process: I think they are banking that Necas will blossom into a genuine NHL star ... just needs some consistency in his game.
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They got really really good value. It's still tough tho since Necas is already 26 so there's like a 99% chance he never reaches Rantanen's heights and that pill seems very hard to swallow for Avs fans. He'll probably filrt with a point per game for the rest of his prime but that's obviously a notable drop off from a 50 goal 100 point big time playoff performer

Avs are win now mode with Mackinnon turning 30 this season and they are objecively a worse team right now and probably into the future as well.
 
Toews2Bickell said:
ah yeah ufa is after the draft


Matthews might be the blue print for what guys start to do, not the McDavid route, but suppose it depends on the player and their personality/preferences
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Leaf fans have been very critical of Matthew’s and that core for deals like that

All those players have been trying to max out their value instead of taking longer term deals for the team. Leafs did it to themselves tho with the Tavares deal and the holdout with Nylander

That core hasn’t been committed to winning but maxing pay
 
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x Tame Impala said:
It’s a smart move by Colorado. No point in paying Rantanen for his worst years. They’ll get at worst a solid top 6er for much less AAV.
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The Avs will have to pay Makar coming up. Even with cap going up its hard to build a contender with 3 contracts > $12.6M. It's a tough decision but I understand the a player with an extra contract year who is 80% of Rantanen but makes roughly half opening up $ for other needs.
 
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Crow said:
what’s the difference in retaining half of halls salary vs rants? Can’t be much money. Hawks did get rid of all of halls salary right? Why do people see it as a big difference?
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Thought this trade was lost for us until read this. It makes no difference to us is retaining Hall or Rantanen but it might be for Carolina. Rantanen's contract will be Carolina's for rest of the season but Hall's might not be.
 
I am talking about regular Hawks fans on there, even before Elon Musk took over Hawks fans on there were exact same because they represent the actual Hawks fan base out there and their frustration with this organization and pathetic clueless GM.
 
Blackhawks said:
I am talking about regular Hawks fans on there, even before Elon Musk took over Hawks fans on there were exact same because they represent the actual Hawks fan base out there and their frustration with this organization and pathetic clueless GM.
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Trying to convey thoughts on a team using only 280 characters sucks. What a pain in the ass when trying to discuss moves, or a team's direction, or pretty much anything. Forums win out here.

I couldn't tell you what posters you are referring to on Twitter or their knowledge of the sport. I can tell you very few people who sign up for HF have little to no knowledge of the game. I trust our opinions more than the average Hawks fan on social media.

And while I know you weren't commenting on Neo (Nazi) Twitter, it does need to be mentioned. That place sucks and I am questioning why people keep using the site like nothings wrong.
 
With the Hawks retaining on Rantanen that means they have 2 of their 3 retention spots available, right?

Pretty sure McCabe’s is over and he extended with Toronto.

If that’s the case then the little annoyance I had at first with this deal is, well, no longer annoying.

Donato is still movable even without retaining saving the two spots for Jones and Murphy. I’m still not sure Jones being moved is all that realistic so having two spots left should be more than enough for the TDL this year.
 
Blackhawks said:
I am talking about regular Hawks fans on there, even before Elon Musk took over Hawks fans on there were exact same because they represent the actual Hawks fan base out there and their frustration with this organization and pathetic clueless GM.
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You have understand that the more you click certain style content in Twitter the more it will start to show similar content so essentially becomes echo chamber for similar minded people. Might want to expand where you get your information!!
 
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GIADF said:
With the Hawks retaining on Rantanen that means they have 2 of their 3 retention spots available, right?

Pretty sure McCabe’s is over and he extended with Toronto.

If that’s the case then the little annoyance I had at first with this deal is, well, no longer annoying.

Donato is still movable even without retaining saving the two spots for Jones and Murphy. I’m still not sure Jones being moved is all that realistic so having two spots left should be more than enough for the TDL this year.
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Hawks only have one retention spot left.
McCabe and rantanen both end after this year
 
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Mrfenn92 said:
Hawks only have one retention spot left.
McCabe and rantanen both end after this year
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You're right. For some reason the Spotrac site has his extension at the top of his page, but it doesn't kick in until next year.

Well that's a bit of a bummer to only have one retention to work with at the deadline.
 
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GIADF said:
You're right. For some reason the Spotrac site has his extension at the top of his page, but it doesn't kick in until next year.

Well that's a bit of a bummer to only have one retention to work with at the deadline.
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Really since hall went in the deal the only ones who’d probably be retained would be jones, Murphy, outside chance of Donato but his cap hit is pretty low.
 
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ello said:
They got really really good value. It's still tough tho since Necas is already 26 so there's like a 99% chance he never reaches Rantanen's heights and that pill seems very hard to swallow for Avs fans. He'll probably filrt with a point per game for the rest of his prime but that's obviously a notable drop off from a 50 goal 100 point big time playoff performer

Avs are win now mode with Mackinnon turning 30 this season and they are objecively a worse team right now and probably into the future as well.
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For this year the Avs take a slight step back, but do have $3m of cap space to make a deal at the TDL. For next year assuming they couldn't sign MR they have a in Necas who is significantly better than the realistic UFA options.
 
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Beukeboom Fan said:
For this year the Avs take a slight step back, but do have $3m of cap space to make a deal at the TDL. For next year assuming they couldn't sign MR they have a in Necas who is significantly better than the realistic UFA options.
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They have 5.6M cap space, after activating Wood and sending down guys to be 13f, 7d.

I've been messing around with 3 team trades all of last day since the trade, trying to find the best scenario to jettison Jones.
 
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ello said:
They got really really good value. It's still tough tho since Necas is already 26 so there's like a 99% chance he never reaches Rantanen's heights and that pill seems very hard to swallow for Avs fans. He'll probably filrt with a point per game for the rest of his prime but that's obviously a notable drop off from a 50 goal 100 point big time playoff performer

Avs are win now mode with Mackinnon turning 30 this season and they are objecively a worse team right now and probably into the future as well.
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It's all a bit puzzling for me. Obviously, Avs management doesn't believe the team was good enough to go all the way. Agreed, they are weaker now and I fully comprehend fans disgust.
 
CanadianHawks said:
Leaf fans have been very critical of Matthew’s and that core for deals like that

All those players have been trying to max out their value instead of taking longer term deals for the team. Leafs did it to themselves tho with the Tavares deal and the holdout with Nylander

That core hasn’t been committed to winning but maxing pay
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yeah fair point on the Leafs core and thats where the personality/preference thing comes in, does Bedard value maximizing his earnings/leverage/opportunity to move onto other teams if Hawks continue to suck or does he go the Sid/McDavid/MacKinnon route where he says team is trash now but I'm here for the long haul lets build a winner

the kid is into the superstitious stuff...12.25 per for 8 years = 98m :sarcasm:
 
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Toews2Bickell said:
ah yeah ufa is after the draft


Matthews might be the blue print for what guys start to do, not the McDavid route, but suppose it depends on the player and their personality/preferences
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After the lack of success, I kind of doubt most superstars are that greedy from the jump. Maybe on their second big contract.
 
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