Confirmed with Link: CHI/COL/CAR -Rantanen, Hall to CAR, Necas, Drury, 2025 CAR second, 2026 CAR fourth to COL, 2025 CHI third back to Chicago

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I could care less about Guttman but would not mind seeing Slaggert for a bit.

Be nice if they could shed Kurashev somehow
Last time I saw Guttman in the NHL I didn't think he showed enough that he'd be a future guy, but I think he's been great in Rockford this year and he has 37 points in 38 games. I haven't watched him myself, though.
 
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Understanding the trade in the sober (well California sober) light of day the hawks essentially spent a few hundred thousand dollars in real money and around 1.25 million more in cap space to facilitate getting their own third back instead of trading Hall at 50% retention for a likely late third.

Of course I’m making the assumption that no team is giving up a late second for Hall 50% retained at the deadline. I simply don’t see that happening but let’s see how the deadline pans out before running around bitching to the point of getting tuned out. I’m not sure it even matters if he did get a late second, as it would be a handful of picks earlier. There is also the risk of Hall getting injured and getting nothing he is avoiding by doing this now.

I’d love for someone here to present an argument against this move. Was that 1.5 million in cap space dear to you? Or the owners 300k?

What would you have done differently?
 
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I think the bigger issue I have is trading him without retaining on his deal making him basically a giveaway. Retained at the max of 50% and I bet he could have fetched a 3rd on his own, 4th at the worst.

Hopefully they call up Slaggert or even Guttman in his place.
Would love both up
 
Totally agree. I am especially looking to see how Reichel does with more ice time on the higher lines. Plus likewise for Nazar and Dach who should never see the AHL again. Next step is to dump a vet at D so it frees up a spot for Korchinski.

You only need so many mid round picks so I prefer they keep Foligno and Donato. I like what they bought bring to the team and bust ass every shift. They are good role players to have around all the promising young talent.
yes, agree Nazar, Dach are likley up to stay for the foreseable future and it seems like the lightbulb has finally gone off in Lukas' head so that is good, I bet Slaggart is a permanent on the roster sooner rather than later as well.
 
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Four years ago, Hall, as a deadline rental, with 50 % retention, got traded for a late second round pick (and warm body 25 year old waiver-exempt Anders Bjork who is out of the league now). Ended up pick 53 to be exact.

I suppose people thought his value was higher now? Compared to when he was two years removed from a hart trophy?

Hawks got 13 less picks four years later for Hall… and “added” a more expensive retention than the retention on Hall because Hall’s value at fifty percent is probably closer to 32 picks later than what he returned four years ago.
 
To me it is the opposite of that. Rantanen now gets to anchor the top line with his fellow countrymen Aho. I would assume they're friends being similar ages, from the same country and all that, but I don't know that for a fact.

I also can't imagine Carolina makes this deal without at least putting in a very competitive contract offer extension on the table for him. They have more cap space than they'd ever need to extend him. Keep in mind they can offer 1 more year than anyone else and they have 20M+ in cap space when this season is over. They'll need to replace Burns and probably find a new backup goalie to Kochetkov, but they'll have more than enough money and cap space to offer Rantanen an extension.

I just can’t see that franchise forking over the required contract.

We’ll see though.

I think he’ll test the market.
 
I just can’t see that franchise forking over the required contract.

We’ll see though.

I think he’ll test the market.
I don't see them giving up Necas and Drury without the intent of resigning Rantanen. Hopefully the Hawks can still sign him in the offseason but I don't envision how he would choose the Hawks over Carolina as they have a better team and his buddy as his center.

Would love both up
This was referring to Guttman and Slaggert. But it's probably going to be Anderson.

They're going to want to give guys like Maroon, Smith, Kurashev, and Donato as many games as possible to showcase them for future trades. So whoever comes up will probably be sitting in the press box. So I'm guessing Anderson.
 
I don't see them giving up Necas and Drury without the intent of resigning Rantanen. Hopefully the Hawks can still sign him in the offseason but I don't envision how he would choose the Hawks over Carolina as they have a better team and his buddy as his center.


This was referring to Guttman and Slaggert. But it's probably going to be Anderson.

They're going to want to give guys like Maroon, Smith, Kurashev, and Donato as many games as possible to showcase them for future trades. So whoever comes up will probably be sitting in the press box. So I'm guessing Anderson.
Could be no doubt
 
They're going to want to give guys like Maroon, Smith, Kurashev, and Donato as many games as possible to showcase them for future trades. So whoever comes up will probably be sitting in the press box. So I'm guessing Anderson.
None of those guys outside Donato who I would prefer the Hawks keep are going to be worth crap playing time or not so Id assume the playing time go to the yewts
 
Running the numbers:
- Chicago retaining 50% on Rantanen translates to $1.26M in actual payroll dollars.
- The historical going rate for $1.26M in cash would range from a late 2nd to 3rd+ (possibly 3rd+4th/5th or 3rd+B/C prospect).
- Chicago is getting their own 3rd back, making it an early 3rd.
- The return for 50% retention is still a little lower than I'd expect.
- I'm left with the conclusion that Taylor Hall had at best zero value and probably negative value without retention.
 
(Not everyone, but man, Chicago has a lot of meatballs)
The Dunning Kruger effect plays a role as almost no one really has the experience or the knowledge to be an executive in professional sports, or knows what these executives plans are or the vast majority of the relevant, behind the basic fact details that go in to making decisions they make. And yet they think they know better.

A lot of these meatballs seem to call out nearly everything as a mistake, and when they are occasionally correct they use it as positive reinforcement for their continued meatball mentality. As a disservice to obtaining a more rational approach they excuse or completely ignore all the times they were dead wrong.

Certainly these sports executives moves are not beyond criticism, and they make mistakes.

When no time is taken to even try to understand the limited amount of information that is actually available to the meatball before ranting and raving in a hissy fit, there is no reason to take them seriously. Additionally when that person never addresses or acknowledges the numerous times they were stupidly wrong or had made too many assumptions the same applies.

Also there is an often expressed belief the meatball is doing the lords work of opening the eyes, curing the ignorance and removing the rose colored glasses of us somewhat normal people. So everyone else is basically an idiot to them, until they see the light, which is right in line with their presumptuous and arrogant nature.

I find the whole thing fascinating for some reason.
 
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Running the numbers:
- Chicago retaining 50% on Rantanen translates to $1.26M in actual payroll dollars.
- The historical going rate for $1.26M in cash would range from a late 2nd to 3rd+ (possibly 3rd+4th/5th or 3rd+B/C prospect).
- Chicago is getting their own 3rd back, making it an early 3rd.
- The return for 50% retention is still a little lower than I'd expect.
- I'm left with the conclusion that Taylor Hall had at best zero value and probably negative value without retention.
Exactly. Either Hall had zero value at his number (possible) or we got the short end of the stick in the deal (possible)
 
Why on earth would Chicago do such a massive favor to Carolina? They've retained some of rantenans salary for a 3rd rounder?

Toronto had to give a first rounder to the same Carolina team that demanded a first rounder to shed Patrick Marleaus cap space.

This is a team with zero cap issues who cares if they ride out the year with Hall.

Should have demanded more from Carolina if they were over a barrel and needed cap help. Hell Carolina has a history of doing exactly that.
 
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i believe that the retention on rantanen is now the current highest single dollar value salary retention in the league.
 

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