Chelios and Tkachuk - sore losers

[Stammer Time*]

Yeah, Americans have the market cornered on boorish behavior.... This site is pretty pathetic sometimes.

 

[Stammer Time*]

People have to let go of their nationalistic biases. I'm Canadian through & through, but jerks exist in all countries. Anyone who is defending the spotless white linen of Canadian hockey should go take another look at the Summit Series and see how they can justify some of the Canadian team's actions (Do a google on ankles & Valeri Kharlamov)

I'm getting pretty tired of these cheap shot comments thrown into any/every thread about trashing hotel rooms and the like. Let it go. I guarantee you if it had been the Canadians that had got rowdy after an unexpectedly early exit, all we would have heard about was "The Canadians were so frustrated and wanted to win so badly, they needed to releave some stress, it just goes to show how important the tournament was to these players"

Agreed, The Canadian hockey program is hardly spotless.

 

[(lone)Yashinfan#79]

what does this post even mean ? and a yashin fan to boot...

what does it mean?

it means that this is supposedly a WC discussion and the best any USA-bashers can do is call Chelios a 'loser'?
way to go to bat for the guy!

so they stiffed a known jagoff on a handshake, please... i recall watching Chelios elbow-smash Brian Propp into submission, and nobody made a big deal about that (except for Ron Hextall).

wow, 12,000+ posts and you're a fan of a babysitter-molesting ass-hat to boot (ask any Blues fan, skippy)..
oh wait, i forgot, that's ok because what? he's canadian? he almost led the leafs back to the cup?
what the point of YOUR post?
as for the Pat Elyniuk [sp.?] fan, yes, i am very familiar with Tkachuk's tenure in Winnipeg... sure, he's like any other hockey player i ever met from Massachusetts--brash, competitive, and passionate about hockey.
i think Keith was unfairly thrown under the bus and made a convenient scapegoat for Selanne-worshipping teenyboppers who are still crying in their beer to this day that he got shipped off to the Ducks (not saying you are one of those people, but that seems to be the theme around Manitoba).
sure, Keith's a stat-whore and didn't produce in the postseason for Winnipeg, but bear in mind that his line was the only line a team needed to shut down in order to be successful against the Jets... let's face it, other than Zhamnov and some other inexperienced forwards (and Khabibulin), there really wasn't much of a supporting cast.
get off Tkachuk and Chelios's nutsacks.
i'm not being 'cryptic' as you call it, i'm just not willing to debase an entire city, or call it 'Loserpeg' or something assinine like that.
enough of the nationalist b.s., too, most canadians i know are tolerant and don't judge players/people based upon national origin.

 

[Porn*]

As much as I don't like Chelios and Tkachuk, it wouldn't surprise me if all 3 are in the wrong here.

Ditto...

I absolutly hate chelios, tkachuk. Niemenin... not too much, he's an instigator... good for him!

But I HATE guerin more than any...

sore losing americans.. .go figure They seemed dirty all game long to me.

 

[(lone)Yashinfan#79]

can't wait for all the Finland-bashing tuesday night if Canada stumbles... [rolls eyes]

get over it, Canadians... why the need to judge an entire country based upon two players..
what about Rafalski, or Weight, or Drury?
can't we arrive at conclusions about team usa based upon those players?

so a hotel room got trashed in Nagano, usa is out of this canada cup, breath easy, you won't need to live down '96 anymore...

why so personal?

 

[(lone)Yashinfan#79]

serious inquiry here...

i honestly would like to know, why is there such anti-american hostility on this board?
my two best friends in the world are from Montreal and Sudbury, respectively, i've been to Canada to visit and for hockey tournaments many times over the years and have never received more than a light-hearted ribbing for my national origin, team loyalties, et al, but one disagreement and this place becomes a neo-patriotic cess pool.
but unlike some, i won't judge an entire province or nation based upon some myopic, narrow-minded people.
it's like you can't wait for someone american-born to screw up so you can jump all over them...
why the animosity?

i love hockey, i'd watch just about any match-up, it's not about some perceived national pride.
wtf?

lighthearted, competitive discourse is one thing, but a couple of you are just so played out with this whole canadian/u.s. thing, get over it.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

As much as I agree with you on this, this is all kinda amusing coming from you given your prediliction to couch virtually issue into something surrounding nationality.
And oh, btw, Tkachuk is a !@#$%^, so this if true is hardly out of character.

I do that because of the virulent anti-American bias shown by many of the posters on this board, which is kind of ironic since this is an American site.

 

[HellsBells]

:lol

Chelios is probably still mad over Nemo drilling Cujo. Tkachuk was always a sore loser. They still should have at least shook his hand IMO.

What is grabbing his jersey and talking smack going to prove ?? You're right, it proves that he is a sore loser. Nieminen plays an agitating style but all that goes out the window when you are shaking hands in an internatinal event. For the sake of your own country, you don't do things like this. Glad to see Nieminen getting a laugh out of it as well.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

what does it mean?

it means that this is supposedly a WC discussion and the best any USA-bashers can do is call Chelios a 'loser'?
way to go to bat for the guy!

so they stiffed a known jagoff on a handshake, please... i recall watching Chelios elbow-smash Brian Propp into submission (but this is back when you were watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, perhaps), and nobody made a big deal about that (except for Ron Hextall).

wow, 12,000+ posts and you're a fan of a babysitter-molesting ass-hat to boot (ask any Blues fan, skippy handleman)..
oh wait, i forgot, that's ok because what? he's canadian? he almost led the leafs back to the cup?
what the point of YOUR post?
as for the Pat Elyniuk [sp.?] fan, yes, i am very familiar with Tkachuk's tenure in Winnipeg... sure, he's like any other hockey player i ever met from Massachusetts--brash, competitive, and passionate about hockey.
i think Keith was unfairly thrown under the bus and made a convenient scapegoat for Selanne-worshipping teenyboppers who are still crying in their beer to this day that he got shipped off to the Ducks.
sure, Keith's a stat-whore and didn't produce in the postseason for Winnipeg, but bear in mind that his line was the only line a team needed to shut down in order to be successful against the Jets... let's face it, other than Zhamnov and some other inexperienced forwards (and Khabibulin), there really wasn't much of a supporting cast.
get off Tkachuk and Chelios's nutsacks.

enough of the nationalist b.s., too, most canadians i know are tolerant and don't judge players/people based upon national origin.

 

[(lone)Yashinfan#79]

"i can't believe i shook his friggin' hand"

i'm in agreement with the 'leave it out on the ice' ethic, you shake hands... if Ciccarelli can shake C. Lemieux's hand, anybody can, right?

conversely, Niemmenen [sp.] is a known rabblerouser so it's not like someone grabbed Koivu or Lehtinen.

 

[Sammy*]

I do that because of the virulent anti-American bias shown by many of the posters on this board, which is kind of ironic since this is an American site.

On this issue, you are for the most part correct, but I again find it kinda ironic that you apparently think that the answer is & that it is ok for you to constantly engage in discourse that you find offensive.
Btw, I think if it wasnt Tkachuk who was the protaganist, the response would be alot more tempered.

 

[(lone)Yashinfan#79]

If anyone touched Niemenen, Jarrko Ruutu would have slapped on ankle lock on them so fast.

HAHAHA!!
the only player less popular than Ville backing his play, i love it!

ankle lock?

does Ruutu train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?

i train with Charles Gracie here in NorCal, those compression holds and joint locks don't tickle.

 

[(lone)Yashinfan#79]

Disgusting? Yes. Unbelieveable? No. Not at all, unfortunately. The real miracle is that any of the players have class at all. Anybody with serious talent was probably coddled since they were 8 years old,

good point... I used to play pee wee and mite-level at Ocean Ice Palace in Brick, NJ (home of Jim Dowd and several Lake Superior State phenoms, yes!) and the top bantam level team at that time was the NJ Rockets (circa late 80s)... the team used to fly Jeremy Roenick in from Massachusetts just for the games.

he's been getting the star treatment since 8yrs. old, probably even before that.

 

[shadoz19]

i'm in agreement with the 'leave it out on the ice' ethic, you shake hands... if Ciccarelli can shake C. Lemieux's hand, anybody can, right?

conversely, Niemmenen [sp.] is a known rabblerouser so it's not like someone grabbed Koivu or Lehtinen.

I know Draper has refused to shake his hand.

 

[(lone)Yashinfan#79]

I know Draper has refused to shake his hand.

can't blame Draper, and yes, i know that was an extreme example... McCarty sure rectified that business the following season though, eh?

 

[Badger Bob]

People have to let go of their nationalistic biases. I'm Canadian through & through, but jerks exist in all countries. Anyone who is defending the spotless white linen of Canadian hockey should go take another look at the Summit Series and see how they can justify some of the Canadian team's actions (Do a google on ankles & Valeri Kharlamov)

I'm getting pretty tired of these cheap shot comments thrown into any/every thread about trashing hotel rooms and the like. Let it go. I guarantee you if it had been the Canadians that had got rowdy after an unexpectedly early exit, all we would have heard about was "The Canadians were so frustrated and wanted to win so badly, they needed to releave some stress, it just goes to show how important the tournament was to these players"

Well said. It always seemed as if the Nagano room trashing incident was Canadian journalists way of "kicking the dog." If Team Canada had taken home the gold in '98, it would not have gotten nearly the media attention that it received. The Hockey News took years to let it finally go. Does that excuse the behavior? Of course not. To put it into perspective, it was a few hundred dollars worth of damage. Because of where it was, that made it an international incident. To his credit, Chelios paid for the damages.

 

[miss hockey]

I agree. Let's wait for this story to get some legs from an English (most likely Canadian ) source before we make too much of this. I don't condone spitting and what not, but let's not kid ourselves here, this was a bitter battle fought to the very end by athletes that are on the edge. I'm not surprised if foul play ensued at the end.

So you mean that Finnish press and their information isnt important or honest enough to ensure you in Canada or in the U.S.A??

Do you think that either of them would admit bad sportmanship???

Of course not --> they would blame Nieminen for doing something that justifys them to "spit" or not-shake-hands or what ever Chelios and Tkachuk were accused of doing.

If that news is true and confirmed I´m sorry, i thought Team USA would be above this kind behaviour

When the better one wins you should take it like man not a schoolgirl :lol

 

[Badger Bob]

So you mean that Finnish press and their information isnt important or honest enough to ensure you in Canada or in the U.S.A??

Do you think that either of them would admit bad sportmanship???

Of course not --> they would blame Nieminen for doing something that justifys them to "spit" or not-shake-hands or what ever Chelios and Tkachuk were accused of doing.

Obviously, this was directed at Rabid Ranger. Hopefully, you won't mind answering on his behalf. Miss Hockey, with all due respect to your pride & loyalty to Finnish hockey, you are incorrect on both counts, regarding any potential Canadian and American coverage of this incident. Members of the Canadian media would salivate at the opportunity to finger an "Ugly American," and only the specialized media would give it attention in the U.S. This comes from a (fairly) impartial observer. Although, my support was with Team USA, Team Finland did include 3 members of my favorite NHL team (Kiprusoff, Lydman & Niemenen).

 

[Kugel]

chelois and keith r dirty too so i dont know what they r complaining about.
i still remember chelly elbowing bryan propp.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

On this issue, you are for the most part correct, but I again find it kinda ironic that you apparently think that the answer is & that it is ok for you to constantly engage in discourse that you find offensive.
Btw, I think if it wasnt Tkachuk who was the protaganist, the response would be alot more tempered.

I call a spade a spade. If an American acts like a jerk, he's a jerk. My problem is when people generalize and spout off about stuff they have no idea what they're talking about, and worse have little concrete information to support. I have no problems with Canada, or Canadians in general. It's a few people around here that get on my nerves.

 

[Mountain Dude]

There's nothing about Tkachuk spitting in the original Finnish article. Literally, the article says that after the match Chelios wouldn't shake hands with Nieminen and Tkachuk even "sneezed" his nose during handshaking which led into an altercation between the players.

So Keef shoved his mitt at Ville's face. No classy behaviour that's for sure, but a far cry from spitting. Just another piece of good sportmanship Tkachuk-style, nothing worse. Chill out, everyone.

As for Nieminen, his comments were (and I quote): "At least there's no need to wonder why St Louis never make it. Chelios in turn showed what a sore loser he is." Never one to shy away from controversy, our Ville.

Ville is the man.

This isn't surprising about Chelios or Keith either, never have been classy, never will be.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

So you mean that Finnish press and their information isnt important or honest enough to ensure you in Canada or in the U.S.A??

Do you think that either of them would admit bad sportmanship???

Of course not --> they would blame Nieminen for doing something that justifys them to "spit" or not-shake-hands or what ever Chelios and Tkachuk were accused of doing.

If that news is true and confirmed I´m sorry, i thought Team USA would be above this kind behaviour

When the better one wins you should take it like man not a schoolgirl :lol

No, what I'm saying is a badly translated Finnish recap of what happened isn't exactly a concrete source IMO. Yet what do we see around here? Two pages of threads filled with animosity towards Tkachuk, Chelios and the United States without knowing the whole story. That is WAY to common around here.

 

[mcphee]

Ville is the man.

This isn't surprising about Chelios or Keith either, never have been classy, never will be.

There is a certain level of hypocrisy there, unless you're being sarcastic.

 

[Mountain Dude]

There is a certain level of hypocrisy there, unless you're being sarcastic.

Ville is not at all classy when the game is on, but he doesn't trash hotel rooms, he's good to his fans, and once the game is over he's respectful to his opponent.

The same can't be said about Chris or Keith.

 

[HughJass*]

Yeah Nieminen is dirty, but that is no reason for anybody to not shake his hand after an elimination game. Not only that, for guys like Tkachuk and Chelios to not shake his hand is one extremely hypocritical gesture, or lack thereof (assuming that is why they didn't shake his hand). Those two guys are as dirty as they come.

Agreed. Any issues they had with Ville they should have settled it on the ice.

I'm getting pretty tired of these cheap shot comments thrown into any/every thread about trashing hotel rooms and the like. Let it go.

Why? I'm American and I think we deserve to get our faces rubbed in about this anytime it's brought up. Our American players are a bunch of spoiled, childish, gutless jerks for that incident.