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20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
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20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
VanIslander
20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
VanIslander
20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
I got my four out...
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Let's celebrate the game we love in the least active hockey month of the year: August!
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Let's celebrate the game we love in the least active hockey month of the year: August!
VanIslander
20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
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I love this thread - thank you @VanIslander.
This save nearly made me shit my pants as a junior in college.
This save nearly made me shit my pants as a junior in college.
DitchMarner
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Staniowski
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Trottier was a really good goal-scorer; that kind of gets lost among all his other great attributes - hockey sense, passing, puck carrying, hitting, defense. And, of course, in comparison to his linemate's goal-scoring.
Trottier was my favourite Islander during the early '80s.
Nobody was ever compared to Gordie Howe as much as Trottier was. They did have a lot in common.
DitchMarner
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Growing up in the 90s, I heard a lot about him, Clarke, Phil Esposito.
Now they don't seem to be talked about nearly as much.
Now it's guys like Forsberg and Crosby that are really celebrated and reminisced about.
How about the greatest hockey photo? I know that the image of Noel Picard launching Bobby Orr in to space is considered to be the greatest photo. It certainly is the best known hockey photo. To me it is certainly not the greatest - in terms of celebrating hockey at its best. What we're seeing is a perfect example of terrible sportsmanship - on the part of Picard. That photo brings to mind Dale Hunter's hit on Pierre Turgeon.
Below we see a perfect example of proper sportsmanship. Bobby Hull is shaking hands with and congratulating Jean Beliveau. Number 4 - having scored a goal and added an assist in his Habs' 4-0 victory over the Hawks - has led his team to the Stanley Cup Championship. In a seven-game series where the home-ice team won all seven games, the Canadiens eliminated Chicago. Beliveau had 5 goals and 5 assists in those 7 games, after having 3 goals and 3 assists in 6 games in the first-round series against the Leafs - earning himself the Conn Smythe (awarded for the first time in 1964-65).
Had Game Seven of the Final gone the other way - with the Hawks hoisting the Cup - that Conn Smythe Trophy would have gone to Hull. He picked up 8 goals and 5 assists in eliminating the Wings in seven games in the first round. He had 4 points going in to that last game of the Final, and had he contributed a couple of points to a victory in that game, Bobby's name would have been the first one associated with that trophy. Love the look of admiration on his face as he shakes Jean's hand, who certainly seems to have appreciated Hull's sportsmanship.
Below we see a perfect example of proper sportsmanship. Bobby Hull is shaking hands with and congratulating Jean Beliveau. Number 4 - having scored a goal and added an assist in his Habs' 4-0 victory over the Hawks - has led his team to the Stanley Cup Championship. In a seven-game series where the home-ice team won all seven games, the Canadiens eliminated Chicago. Beliveau had 5 goals and 5 assists in those 7 games, after having 3 goals and 3 assists in 6 games in the first-round series against the Leafs - earning himself the Conn Smythe (awarded for the first time in 1964-65).
Had Game Seven of the Final gone the other way - with the Hawks hoisting the Cup - that Conn Smythe Trophy would have gone to Hull. He picked up 8 goals and 5 assists in eliminating the Wings in seven games in the first round. He had 4 points going in to that last game of the Final, and had he contributed a couple of points to a victory in that game, Bobby's name would have been the first one associated with that trophy. Love the look of admiration on his face as he shakes Jean's hand, who certainly seems to have appreciated Hull's sportsmanship.
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There isn't much in the history of hockey that gives greater pleasure than watching the Green Unit.
VanIslander
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Indeed!
The least heralded Larionov had a HOF career as the #1 pivot of the Soviet team but... his NHL exploits are often overlooked/underappreciated. Bowman said he was key to special teams.
Here is more than 10 minutes of NHL playoff plays by "the Professor":
(These are just his NHL playoff goals. His assists have always been more prolific. He is Oates-level genius with his puck placement. But youtube highlight vids of collected great assists are few and far between.)
The least heralded Larionov had a HOF career as the #1 pivot of the Soviet team but... his NHL exploits are often overlooked/underappreciated. Bowman said he was key to special teams.
Here is more than 10 minutes of NHL playoff plays by "the Professor":
(These are just his NHL playoff goals. His assists have always been more prolific. He is Oates-level genius with his puck placement. But youtube highlight vids of collected great assists are few and far between.)
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VanIslander
20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
Here is a minority report.
Assists rule:
(NIX the 'all-time' moniker: gems by Yzerman, Datsyuk, Sedin, Crosby, others - a couple of token Orr... no '80s other than Gretzky... pretty much, mostly: some great passes since the early 1990's,... k... it is what it is... and it is pretty good!)
Assists rule:
(NIX the 'all-time' moniker: gems by Yzerman, Datsyuk, Sedin, Crosby, others - a couple of token Orr... no '80s other than Gretzky... pretty much, mostly: some great passes since the early 1990's,... k... it is what it is... and it is pretty good!)
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Michael Farkas
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I am at a cook out and drinking, but I feel like the Canadiens greatness overrated some folks and obscured others...like Serge Savard and Dickie Moore and Lemaire got lost in the shuffle because bigger names like Lafleur and Richard and Geoffrion were around...but they aren't as great as legend. Some of the below (ish) the line people got lost and worse, they get dismissed as being dynasty also-rans...
VanIslander
20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
1. Posting while drinking is so easy given smartphones (an invention in my thirties);
2. Serge Savard was my 2nd fav hero as a young hockey fan, Dryden being #1, Robinson #3,... became a Caps fan as well after young Langway inexplicably went there (i never understood why, why!);
3. Wait... do you think Savard overrated or obscured?... 'cuz in the ATD community - and the HF History board, he is well respected. Underrated Habs hereabouts include Kirk Muller, Benoit Brunet,... surprisingly kicked-out-of-consciousness Koivu, the never appreciated really Dickie Moore (except as a name on a list) and Aurel Joliat, who was more important to Habs success than Morenz-media frenzy allowed. I went to three Habs games at the forum and fans appeciated Brunet, a hard-working defensive defenseman who often broke up plays; he became a less-hyped Adam Foote.
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MadArcand
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I wonder who are you mixing up for the smallish soft LW Benoit Brunet in here...
VanIslander
20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
Brunet was an extremely effective backchecker, basically a 3rd dman, and pretty good as a forechecker.
He always made the quick pass when he recovered pucks. I can't recall him ever carrying the puck.
He always made the quick pass when he recovered pucks. I can't recall him ever carrying the puck.
Loved The French Connection, Richard Martin in his rookie year broke the goal record at 44. With a shortened career due to a knee injury that would lead to the end of his career.
37, 52, 52, 49, 36, 28, 32, 45 only 8 years of action not included LA was negligible. Had one of the most hardest shots could skates and was a gifted player considering that Buffalo was not that good. They did make to the finals one year.
37, 52, 52, 49, 36, 28, 32, 45 only 8 years of action not included LA was negligible. Had one of the most hardest shots could skates and was a gifted player considering that Buffalo was not that good. They did make to the finals one year.
The Panther
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That is such a great hockey photo. Never seen it before, thanks.
I will never understand why those c.1960s'-era photos always look so good compared to later ones, including today's.
VanIslander
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Huh?
The flash is so bright, their skin shiny, the background dark, barely lit.
It looks like they just ate hot peppers and are glistening it out.
It is a low-quality photograph.
Though, the act of shaking hands - outside a playoff series loss - is worth heralding.
Dennis Bonvie
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Serge Savard seems similar to Ron Francis in that he's been called underrated so much that he feels overrated.
VanIslander
20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
1. Savard was a top-80 pick in this year's all-time draft (including several non-NHLers who went before him: Taylor, Lalonde, Tretiak... Fetisov and Makarov based on their international careers...)
2. Francis is always in the 150-ish best hockey player range.
3. Neither Savard nor Francis have i drafted in two decades of ATD drafting (and Savard is a childhood hero) because they don't fall to value positions imo; in other words, they go where they should, if not a bit higher. Wait, maybe i drafted Francis once back in '07 or '08, but maybe it was just a wish, as he certainly has been on shortlists in several drafts, just not usually near the top.
4. Underrated i think for sure are those i feel compelled to draft (and have multiple times) because other knowledgeable history buffs bypass them for one reason or another: Glenn Hall, Brian Propp, Harvey Pulford, center Dick Irvin, coach Art Ross, Gennadiy Tsygankov, Ryan Kesler, Blake Wheeler.
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Dennis Bonvie
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The Savard/Francis comparison was about how underrated the players were, not a comparison of their hockey abilities or where they rank all-time.
VanIslander
20 years of All-Time Drafts on HfBoards
Underrated vs. overrated vs. properly rated is a discussion EVERY year with picks in the all-time draft (ATD sub-board here).
ATD GMs are hockey history enthusiasts who overrate and underrate players at times (one year Sundin went in the top-60 and it took only two yearly drafts for him to fall waaay down to 200ish territory - everything comes out of the wash).
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