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Prospect Info: Charlie Stramel, C, 21st Overall, 2023 NHL Draft

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I’ll put this in here as well and Imve talked about it in other threads, but the Moore I look into it, I think people are being overly hard on the player. I think there are plenty of outcomes where a big right shot center with NHL level skating and high-end compete can develop into an NHL player worth a ton more than the 21st overall pick. Listen, y’knowhat, if he becomes a 50-60 point center, who is killer at face offs and a pest to play against, I think that’s a player that doesn’t become available all that often. I get there might be some skepticism that the offense can get there, but I think it’s well within the range of possible outcomes. I’m definitely excited for what he can be, even if I know there’s a lot lot more work to be done to fill out the lineup. I don’t think it was realistic to think we were going to find that bonafide 1C of the future at pick 21, and I think he’s got as good a chance to become that as any of the guys taken after him.
 
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Hopefully his sophomore season pans out better than his freshman year.
 
As you get past pick 20 I don’t really have a clue with players the Wild should pick. I like his size and his position. I trust Judd on this one. His numbers weren’t great but it might of just been a rough year. Sounded like he was projected a top 10 pick before the year. If he can develop and learn to use his body. We might have a solid middle 6 center. Was hoping to grab Moore but those damn hawks.
 
KaprizovSaveUs said:
I’ll put this in here as well and Imve talked about it in other threads, but the Moore I look into it, I think people are being overly hard on the player. I think there are plenty of outcomes where a big right shot center with NHL level skating and high-end compete can develop into an NHL player worth a ton more than the 21st overall pick. Listen, y’knowhat, if he becomes a 50-60 point center, who is killer at face offs and a pest to play against, I think that’s a player that doesn’t become available all that often. I get there might be some skepticism that the offense can get there, but I think it’s well within the range of possible outcomes. I’m definitely excited for what he can be, even if I know there’s a lot lot more work to be done to fill out the lineup. I don’t think it was realistic to think we were going to find that bonafide 1C of the future at pick 21, and I think he’s got as good a chance to become that as any of the guys taken after him.
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A lot of people here were saying they wanted to draft for need instead of purely BPA. Now some of those same people are upset that they got their way (but not the flavor of it they hoped for). I really respect most of those people, but c'mon guys... have you never heard of the monkey's paw?

Personally, I want Stramel to see the negativity, get pissed off at it, and turn into a real friggin' beast. Use the anger, become what you were meant to be, Darth Stramel!
 
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BagHead said:
A lot of people here were saying they wanted to draft for need instead of purely BPA. Now some of those same people are upset that they got their way (but not the flavor of it they hoped for). I really respect most of those people, but c'mon guys... have you never heard of the monkey's paw?

Personally, I want Stramel to see the negativity, get pissed off at it, and turn into a real friggin' beast. Use the anger, become what you were meant to be, Darth Stramel!
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I thought about this as well already
 
Brackets comment about need over skill leads me more to believe that they saw a more skilled player of a different position but went with who they thought was the most skilled C on the board. That is the mind set I wanted going into the draft I just did not see Stramel ranking above others picked after him. Hopefully the new coach at Wisconsin can boost his offense and turn him into a bonafide potential 1C. Time will tell.
 
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BagHead said:
A lot of people here were saying they wanted to draft for need instead of purely BPA. Now some of those same people are upset that they got their way (but not the flavor of it they hoped for). I really respect most of those people, but c'mon guys... have you never heard of the monkey's paw?
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Throwing it out there, I think most fast wanted a center that was skilled but had their warts like Rossi. Stramel was a bit of a Hail Mary on a first down. You can see where they are coming from and respect that but disagree with their process. They wanted size over skill. Instead of someone like Ritchie or Edstrom they pick Coyle 2.0
 
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His last comment about need trumping skill is a little concerning
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I don't really know anything about Stramel and I hope he works out. A big right-shot center than can skate pretty okay would be an asset, even if he doesn't end up projecting into the top-6.

My main concern with this pick was that they were letting positional need trump upside or skill, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me considering the timelines. Centers continue to be a huge problem for the current team, but the pool's more fundamental weak spot is still upside. The main obstacle to addressing the current roster's problems isn't drafting, it's cap space. That doesn't get solved until the buyouts expire, so why let it drive your draft decisions?

Totally willing to give them the benefit of the doubt about all that, but Brackett's comments suggest that's exactly what they were thinking here. Don't love it.
 
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You have to wonder if the success of K’Andre Miller & Snuggerud played a role in the FO taking the local kid. Apparently we really liked both those guys and just missed getting Miller
 
thestonedkoala said:
Throwing it out there, I think most fast wanted a center that was skilled but had their warts like Rossi. Stramel was a bit of a Hail Mary on a first down. You can see where they are coming from and respect that but disagree with their process. They wanted size over skill. Instead of someone like Ritchie or Edstrom they pick Coyle 2.0
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I would be ok with a Coyle 2.0. At #21, we were never going to get a top line center...instead we get a guy with size with some, but not great skill; enough to play a #3C role, potentially. Sounds like he's pretty decent at face-offs and a good skater as well.

Best course of action is to just be patient with his development; probably 2 more seasons at Wisconsin and a season or two in Iowa before seeing any NHL action.
 
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MuckOG said:
I would be ok with a Coyle 2.0. At #21, we were never going to get a top line center...instead we get a guy with size with some, but not great skill; enough to play a #3C role, potentially. Sounds like he's pretty decent at face-offs and a good skater as well.

Best course of action is to just be patient with his development; probably 2 more seasons at Wisconsin and a season or two in Iowa before seeing any NHL action.
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This likely isn't true.
 
BagHead said:
A lot of people here were saying they wanted to draft for need instead of purely BPA. Now some of those same people are upset that they got their way (but not the flavor of it they hoped for). I really respect most of those people, but c'mon guys... have you never heard of the monkey's paw?

Personally, I want Stramel to see the negativity, get pissed off at it, and turn into a real friggin' beast. Use the anger, become what you were meant to be, Darth Stramel!
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Darth Riggus. :darth:
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
I think the history of the draft shows that there is a high likelihood that a future elite player is sitting there at #21.
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ok...I get that logic. Kaprizov was still sitting there in the 5th round, if we want to go down that road. Of course, there are always gems that get selected later in the draft. That wasn't my point....and its possible that Stramel could turn into a future, elite player also. Going into last season, it sounds like he was projected to be a top 10 pick.

From what I gather, the Wild looked at Stramel's complete tool set (size, skating, some skill) and decided he was the safest pick that filled their organizational needs. I personally don't agree with drafting need over skill, but I understand why they made the pick.

So, if he develops into a "Coyle 2.0", I would be ok with that. Coyle has 700+ games played and is still playing pretty well.
 
MuckOG said:
ok...I get that logic. Kaprizov was still sitting there in the 5th round, if we want to go down that road. Of course, there are always gems that get selected later in the draft. That wasn't my point....and its possible that Stramel could turn into a future, elite player also. Going into last season, it sounds like he was projected to be a top 10 pick.

From what I gather, the Wild looked at Stramel's complete tool set (size, skating, some skill) and decided he was the safest pick that filled their organizational needs. I personally don't agree with drafting need over skill, but I understand why they made the pick.

So, if he develops into a "Coyle 2.0", I would be ok with that. Coyle has 700+ games played and is still playing pretty well.
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Yeah, but usually those guys are described with more than "some skill".

And to be clear, I'm not writing him off as an NHL center or even a top 6 center. I would just really like this team to transition towards betting on skill.
 
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Yeah, but usually those guys are described with more than "some skill".

And to be clear, I'm not writing him off as an NHL center or even a top 6 center. I would just really like this team to transition towards betting on skill.
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I feel this regime has, possibly minus this pick.
Yurov is a really high risk/high reward type player. Wallstedt they moved up to grab? He's high skilled.
 
what need does he fill? just a big guy? even if he becomes coyle 2.0 (which i doubt) was he worth #21 (coyle #28) in a deep draft? he should have been chosen in the 2nd round not the first. hes a project. i think hes a 3rd line C at best. i blame mgmt not the player. what skill does he have that justifies such a high pick? i no longer trust in judd.
 
DANOZ28 said:
what need does he fill? just a big guy? even if he becomes coyle 2.0 (which i doubt) was he worth #21 (coyle #28) in a deep draft? he should have been chosen in the 2nd round not the first. hes a project. i think hes a 3rd line C at best. i blame mgmt not the player. what skill does he have that justifies such a high pick? i no longer trust in judd.
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DANOZ28 said:
what need does he fill? just a big guy? even if he becomes coyle 2.0 (which i doubt) was he worth #21 (coyle #28) in a deep draft? he should have been chosen in the 2nd round not the first. hes a project. i think hes a 3rd line C at best. i blame mgmt not the player. what skill does he have that justifies such a high pick? i no longer trust in judd.
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"I know nothing about the player, but I don't like it" is basically what I just read.
 
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DANOZ28 said:
what need does he fill? just a big guy? even if he becomes coyle 2.0 (which i doubt) was he worth #21 (coyle #28) in a deep draft? he should have been chosen in the 2nd round not the first. hes a project. i think hes a 3rd line C at best. i blame mgmt not the player. what skill does he have that justifies such a high pick? i no longer trust in judd.
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At best he is a 1C. There is a ton of untapped potential in this pick. Kids often go through transition periods when they go up to a higher level of competition. Stramel just needs to put it together this upcoming year. I trust that Hastings will right the ship for him.
 
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