LouJersey
Registered User
A quick review of your last 20 or so posts makes me doubt you are even a Bruins fan. I just can't figure out which team you root for
Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy IV
- Thread starter Fenway
- Start date
- Feb 3, 2009
- 18,941
- 5,422
Most people just want him to play better because we believe he can. Ray Bourque's salary is completely irrelevant.
I also don't think McAvoy's cap hit is too high. It's fine. He's a fantastic player, and certainly a top 10 defenseman in the league in my eyes.
I believe he will get better. I have a lot pf patience for him. It seems a few others (I'm assuming a minority) are kinda fed up with his play lately. But I'll bet most of those would not want to trade him for many players in the league.
I also don't think McAvoy's cap hit is too high. It's fine. He's a fantastic player, and certainly a top 10 defenseman in the league in my eyes.
I believe he will get better. I have a lot pf patience for him. It seems a few others (I'm assuming a minority) are kinda fed up with his play lately. But I'll bet most of those would not want to trade him for many players in the league.
Bong Whisperer
BOGO
- Feb 25, 2016
- 540
- 353
Oh, he we go. Being objective means you're a troll. I've been a Bruins fan since 1970. Try reading the many sports writers in numerous publications who are talking the same talk as I am about McAvoy.
Donnie Shulzhoffer
Rocket Surgery
Sports writers are comparing his salary to Bourque? I doubt it since it is a ridiculous comparison.
LouJersey
Registered User
Objective normally isn't normally finding fault 100% of the time. Granted I only read the last 25 posts.
Bong Whisperer
BOGO
- Feb 25, 2016
- 540
- 353
I'm not the only one that is making comparisons and criticism.
Tomase: McAvoy continues to cost Bruins with baffling mistakes
Charlie McAvoy is supposed to be the Bruins’ best defenseman, but his head-scratching mistakes are costing the team in key moments, writes John Tomase.
www.nbcsportsboston.com
Bruins expect alpha dog McAvoy to bring more bite
“McAvoy’s been a horse for us in the playoffs,” coach Jim Montgomery said Thursday. But Wednesday's Game 2 was not his game.
theathletic.com
Bruins need Charlie McAvoy to play drastically better to beat Panthers
Charlie McAvoy is a top 10 defenseman in the NHL, but he hasn’t looked like one in the playoffs so far. The Bruins need that to change ASAP to beat the Panthers.
www.nbcsportsboston.com
Bruins Need More From Charlie McAvoy in Round 2 - The Hockey Writers Boston Bruins Latest News, Analysis & More
The Bruins are in a tied series with the Florida Panthers. If they are to advance, the Bruins need more from Charlie McAvoy.
thehockeywriters.com
Zolak & Bertrand: Maybe Charlie McAvoy isn't who we thought he was
https://omny.fm/shows/zolak-bertrand-1/zolak-bertrand-maybe-charlie-mcavoy-isnt-who-we-th
985thesportshub.com
Yes, I'm just a Debbie The Downer.
- Feb 3, 2009
- 18,941
- 5,422
easton117
Registered User
- Nov 11, 2017
- 5,150
- 5,943
From what I’ve seen of him, there’s nights where he thinks the game and nights where he seems to turn his brain off and just reacts.
He’s better when the latter happens
- Feb 3, 2009
- 18,941
- 5,422
Me neither , but having Peeke back can help diminish is PK time and keep him more fresh
The last thing I'm going to get on Charlie about is his energy, or passion. You can tell how much he cares etc. etc.
From watching this series, and at times during the year, I actually feel like he tries to do to much and/or be too much and needs to simplify his game and dial it down. He is essentially above average at most everything a D man can do and as a result I feel like he tries to be a combination of Cale Makar and Scott Stevens out there, it's not possible. Honestly I think he needs to lower his pulse a bit.
From watching this series, and at times during the year, I actually feel like he tries to do to much and/or be too much and needs to simplify his game and dial it down. He is essentially above average at most everything a D man can do and as a result I feel like he tries to be a combination of Cale Makar and Scott Stevens out there, it's not possible. Honestly I think he needs to lower his pulse a bit.
LSCII
Cup driven
Did he not abruptly retire and then come back a year later, after they replaced Cassidy? Seems pretty obvious why he left after see how he came back, no?
LSCII
Cup driven
Depends on what you're considering. In the case of folks like you and his other detractors, it appears you're basing a lot of it on +/- which is silly, IMO. His +/- this year was the lowest in his career, so I said rough season based on that. If you want to look at goals, he had a career high so maybe plus minus isn't the end all to be all stat so think it is? Especially since you really need context to make it even remotely meaningful.
Now that being said, I think he can and will be better. I also think that the better teams are exposing the holes we all knew were in this lineup and on this roster. When you slot up guys above what they truly are, it eventually gets exposed. If you want McAvoy to play better, you can't be shuffling random people in and out on his opposite side and expect him to succeed. Consistency is a big factor for why some don't think he's played well. In reality, I think he's played very well but is only capable of doing so much.
TL;DR: you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. You have to give him an actual good defensive partner to play with instead of needing him to cover up the holes of whomever you pair him with.
LSCII
Cup driven
Sure, I'll take that. What has he done throughout the entirety of this season that makes you say he wasn't a top tier defenseman? Top 20 in goals. Top 25 in points. Was still a plus 4 despite a cobbled together defensive core made up of a lot of nobodies and low end tweeners and his defensive partner switching every game and sometimes in game. So what constitutes Norris caliber play to you?
pearljamvs5
Registered User
- Jun 19, 2011
- 255
- 524
I mean if you consider routinely talking about wanting to play back in your home country and retiring after your contract expires to be "abrupt" then I guess so. Krejci honored his contract, fulfilled a dream he wanted for years afterwards, and then came back after he accomplished said goal for one more kick at the cup.
McAvoy is playing, by far, the most minutes of anybody on this team, and they are hard minutes. He is obviously fatigued and not playing at the top of his game. He obviously care and is passionate, but is trying to do too much on his own. He is going to be more noticeable, good or bad, than any other play since he is out there the most.
Plus/minus is just one stat, and one to be used cautiously. It's relevant and it's an easy one to quote but, and I can only speak for myself, to me it's only a small piece of the puzzle on McAvoy or anyone else. It needs context. The Bruins general defensive issues and decline this year have been mentioned up-thread, as has the loss of #37 and some others, and the continual shuffling of Charlie's defensive partners that you raise is absolutely a factor too. Things are definitely tougher for McAvoy than they've ever been in the past. How much can we reasonably expect him to rise above them?
And how else can we supplement the eye test? If you look at the advanced stats for the playoffs 3-4 years ago, McAvoy's the team leader or close to it in most of the key metrics (corsi, shots for, xGF, HDCF etc.). He was clearly the team's best defender and the numbers backed it up. Last year though he comes back to the pack. Still near the top, and with one exception he was 50% or above in the main areas like SF%. So not outstanding, but not bad. This year though those numbers have taken a hit again, and he's very much middle of the road statistically despite being the 1D and getting more offensive zone starts than any of the other regulars except Shatty and Lohrei.
Probably the most stark fact is this - Carlo gets just 13% of offensive zone starts compared to McAvoy's 66%, but the team still has better GF, SF and xGF% when he's on the ice than when Charlie is. Fair to point out that Chucky has to soak up more minutes and more responsibilities, but still, Carlo is getting it done in spades so far and showing what's possible, even with a more defensive-heavy shut down role, and McAvoy just isn't quite at that level at present.
He's not miles away, and there are extenuating circumstances as have been raised. But he can be better and he can avoid errors that are entirely of his own making, and as the team's most talented and highest TOI defender the Bruins need him to. If the coach can help him out by giving him a more consistent pairing or helping to settle his mind a bit, that'd be great too.
McGarnagle
Yes.
- Aug 5, 2017
- 30,452
- 41,836
This f***er is getting $9.5 million a year to play like shit
Do whatever you can to move on from him, Sweeney
Do whatever you can to move on from him, Sweeney
neelynugs
Registered User
- Feb 27, 2002
- 35,654
- 10,696
the most frustrating part of his game is his lack of desire to shoot the puck. shoot. the. puck.
it's always an extra move or an extra pass. they should force him to shoot 10,000 pucks a day
in the summer.
it's always an extra move or an extra pass. they should force him to shoot 10,000 pucks a day
in the summer.
Dicky113
Registered User
- Oct 30, 2007
- 4,541
- 3,545
He deserves the same treatment that Mitch Marner and Darnell Nurse get. You can’t make that much money and be this bad when it matters. To have a guy making 9 million and be a liability just doesn’t work
- Feb 3, 2009
- 18,941
- 5,422
Dicky113
Registered User
- Oct 30, 2007
- 4,541
- 3,545
