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Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy II - UPDATE 4/10 Signed ELC

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Dupell6

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Has anyone listened to 98.5 the past two days.

They keep mentioning that Mcavoy will play a game this season to burn a year. (Guessing it's from KPDs tweet) That Mcavoy wouldn't of come out this year if that wasn't the case.

If that was the case why wouldn't the bruins have just signed him to an ECL right away? It doesn't make sense. He now has no leverage that he signed the ATO. Which makes think it's not a guarantee he plays with the bruins this year.
 
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Dupell6 said:
Has anyone listened to 98.5 the past two days.

They keep mentioning that Mcavoy will play a game this season to burn a year. (Guessing it's from KPDs tweet) That Mcavoy wouldn't of come out this year if that wasn't the case.

If that was the case why wouldn't the bruins have just signed him to an ECL right away? It doesn't make sense. He now has no leverage that he signed the ATO. Which makes think it's not a guarantee he plays with the bruins this year.
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They're dummies over there. Not the place to get real sports info.
 
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Dupell6 said:
Has anyone listened to 98.5 the past two days.

They keep mentioning that Mcavoy will play a game this season to burn a year. (Guessing it's from KPDs tweet) That Mcavoy wouldn't of come out this year if that wasn't the case.

If that was the case why wouldn't the bruins have just signed him to an ECL right away? It doesn't make sense. He now has no leverage that he signed the ATO. Which makes think it's not a guarantee he plays with the bruins this year.
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sure it does, sign him to an ATO, send him to Providence, give him some practices and time to get acclimated while evaluating his game vs pro`s.

I`m not sure the B`s are, in any way desperate to have him play with the big club and there`s risk involved having a pure rookie, late in the year in tight checking games trying to lock down a playoff spot to come in and perform.

What I seem to be hearing more and more though (Bob Mackenzie on radio a few days ago here) , think it was on TSN Radio when mentioning McAvoy said he`s "NHL ready" and for what it`s worth, Regis Pierre McGuire said the same last night

That doesn`t guarantee anything but observing his game with Providence will give them an idea of where his game is vs pro`s
 
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ODAAT said:
I`m not sure the B`s are, in any way desperate to have him play with the big club and there`s risk involved having a pure rookie, late in the year in tight checking games trying to lock down a playoff spot to come in and perform.
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I think this is right- they are playing Liles right now with options in C. Miller and Morrow in the pressbox. Liles isn't terrible, but playing him doesn't make it seem like they feel desperate for immediate help on the blue line. If there was a sudden need for a call-up in the next few days, I'd prefer it be O'Gara- let CMac do some adjusting and developing in the relative tranquility of the AHL.
 

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ODAAT said:
sure it does, sign him to an ATO, send him to Providence, give him some practices and time to get acclimated while evaluating his game vs pro`s.

I`m not sure the B`s are, in any way desperate to have him play with the big club and there`s risk involved having a pure rookie, late in the year in tight checking games trying to lock down a playoff spot to come in and perform.

What I seem to be hearing more and more though (Bob Mackenzie on radio a few days ago here) , think it was on TSN Radio when mentioning McAvoy said he`s "NHL ready" and for what it`s worth, Regis Pierre McGuire said the same last night

That doesn`t guarantee anything but observing his game with Providence will give them an idea of where his game is vs pro`s
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It makes sense for me. I would've done exactly what is happening. I don't want him to play in boston this year. I don't think he's ready.

What doesn't make sense is the media's coverage on the issue. If the only reason Mcavoy came out is because the bruins promised him they would burn a year. Why would he accept an ATO
 
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I think it would be a colossal mistake to play McAvoy this year. He's incredibly talented but....

I just find it hard to believe playing McAvoy over Chiller/Liles will result in more wins down the stretch. He's a rookie, hes going to have an adjustment period. Adjustment periods come with mistakes.

Making dazzling end to end rushes and scoring highlight reel goals doesn't make a difference when you mix up your coverage in the d zone on a simple play and they score a goal.
 
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I don't think that's really McAvoy's game. He seems to love to throw big hits and ends up in some dustups because of that, but I don't foresee him throwing down a ton or playing that enforcer type of D game. Boychuk is actually a decent comparison for what kind of physical game he brings, though obviously he's not Boychuk's size so the hits come in differently. I think he does have a little Kronwall in him though.

Now Zboril on the other hand, that's his game.
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Have watched McAvoy numerous times. I do not like the Boychuck comparison. He's not as big as Boychuck, but he is much more mobile with more foot speed. Better skater than Boychuck.

Boychuck 6'2" 225
McAvoy 6'0" 208

Others:
Krug 5'9" 181
Ray Bourque 5'11" 219

The comparison I keep coming back to is RB. He has a thick body like RB. He's an inch taller. He'll be 215 to 220 when he finishes filling out. McAvoy's skating, like RB is superb. RB is a Hall of Famer, so I will not get ahead of myself here.

He'll ultimately be a better player than Krug. Krug to me will always have the weakness of being undersized. He can be over-powered by bigger forwards. Charlie Mac will not be overpowered. Krug has his obvious strengths: superb puck handler and he is great in tight spaces. He is more quick than fast. He does not have top line speed. You can see that when he is in a race for the puck.

McAvoy has better top line speed and does bring the nasty when he wants. He has a mean streak. Low center of gravity, thick body. Better all round player with more tools than Johnny B.

Just my two cents.
 
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pisele said:
Have watched McAvoy numerous times. I do not like the Boychuck comparison. He's not as big as Boychuck, but he is much more mobile with more foot speed. Better skater than Boychuck.

Boychuck 6'2" 225
McAvoy 6'0" 208

Others:
Krug 5'9" 181
Ray Bourque 5'11" 219

The comparison I keep coming back to is RB. He has a thick body like RB. He's an inch taller. He'll be 215 to 220 when he finishes filling out. McAvoy's skating, like RB is superb. RB is a Hall of Famer, so I will not get ahead of myself here.

He'll ultimately be a better player than Krug. Krug to me will always have the weakness of being undersized. He can be over-powered by bigger forwards. Charlie Mac will not be overpowered. Krug has his obvious strengths: superb puck handler and he is great in tight spaces. He is more quick than fast. He does not have top line speed. You can see that when he is in a race for the puck.

McAvoy has better top line speed and does bring the nasty when he wants. He has a mean streak. Low center of gravity, thick body. Better all round player with more tools than Johnny B.

Just my two cents.
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Good post, but no way I`m comping him to Bourque

any way you cut it, if McAvoy doesn`t post about 8-10pts over the 2 games this weekend, I`m breaking the internet with claims of him being nothing but another in the long line of Bruin draft busts:sarcasm:
 
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pisele said:
Have watched McAvoy numerous times. I do not like the Boychuck comparison. He's not as big as Boychuck, but he is much more mobile with more foot speed. Better skater than Boychuck.

Boychuck 6'2" 225
McAvoy 6'0" 208

Others:
Krug 5'9" 181
Ray Bourque 5'11" 219

The comparison I keep coming back to is RB. He has a thick body like RB. He's an inch taller. He'll be 215 to 220 when he finishes filling out. McAvoy's skating, like RB is superb. RB is a Hall of Famer, so I will not get ahead of myself here.

He'll ultimately be a better player than Krug. Krug to me will always have the weakness of being undersized. He can be over-powered by bigger forwards. Charlie Mac will not be overpowered. Krug has his obvious strengths: superb puck handler and he is great in tight spaces. He is more quick than fast. He does not have top line speed. You can see that when he is in a race for the puck.

McAvoy has better top line speed and does bring the nasty when he wants. He has a mean streak. Low center of gravity, thick body. Better all round player with more tools than Johnny B.

Just my two cents.
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Size/build/aggression wise he's PK Subban IMO. Think PK is 6' 210ish.
 
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I`m typically not great at the comparison game, especially with someone I haven`t seen much but Giordano might be a guy who plays a similar style?
 
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pisele said:
Have watched McAvoy numerous times. I do not like the Boychuck comparison. He's not as big as Boychuck, but he is much more mobile with more foot speed. Better skater than Boychuck.

Boychuck 6'2" 225
McAvoy 6'0" 208

Others:
Krug 5'9" 181
Ray Bourque 5'11" 219

The comparison I keep coming back to is RB. He has a thick body like RB. He's an inch taller. He'll be 215 to 220 when he finishes filling out. McAvoy's skating, like RB is superb. RB is a Hall of Famer, so I will not get ahead of myself here.

He'll ultimately be a better player than Krug. Krug to me will always have the weakness of being undersized. He can be over-powered by bigger forwards. Charlie Mac will not be overpowered. Krug has his obvious strengths: superb puck handler and he is great in tight spaces. He is more quick than fast. He does not have top line speed. You can see that when he is in a race for the puck.

McAvoy has better top line speed and does bring the nasty when he wants. He has a mean streak. Low center of gravity, thick body. Better all round player with more tools than Johnny B.

Just my two cents.
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Yeah sorry I didn't mean to imply their overall games are comparable because they really aren't...I was only talking about the similarities in their physicality. From what I've seen, both are guys who are strong on the puck, will battle well along the boards and in the middle, and will throw some pretty big hits...but neither has that hatred that guys like McQuaid have like ODAAT mentioned, or will throw down a ton. I haven't really seen that mean streak out of McAvoy yet personally, but admittedly that's a hard thing to really judge in the NCAA/IIHF because of all the rules.

I do see the similarities with Bourque that you mentioned, as well as with PK on the offensive side as someone above me mentioned. I think in the end he'll be on a whole different level from Krug. McAvoy feels like a legitimate hybrid of a lot of different guys' games, we'll just have to see if it ultimately works out.
 

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The previously much talked about off season free agent signing coup by the Rangers, Jimmy Vesey, may have hit a wall. It's tough to make any team in year one but sustaining your play over the course of a very long season is arguably tougher. As per TSN ice chips report:

"Forward Jimmy Vesey is expected to be a healthy scratch on Friday versus the Pittsburgh Penguins. Head coach Alain Vigneault was not please with his rookie winger's performance in Tuesday's loss to the San Jose Sharks telling the media postgame that Vesey had a "real off night", via the New York Post "
 
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DKH said:
Really? Shattenkirk is hid defensively to me but I math was my third favorite subject
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Noooo when I physically see him, he just look like Shattenkirk, same build etc :laugh: I honestly havent seen one game of McAvoy, im pumped too though. Hoping for some wicked feedback from tonights game, can you go watch please? Do it for us !!!!!
 
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Noooo when I physically see him, he just look like Shattenkirk, same build etc :laugh: I honestly havent seen one game of McAvoy, im pumped too though. Hoping for some wicked feedback from tonights game, can you go watch please? Do it for us !!!!!
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Glorydaze texted me and is going so he will give a report

Joe will give a good review
 
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“He’s clearly a special player,†Providence coach Kevin Dean said. “I haven’t seen a lot of him. But he strikes me as the kind of kid that, a game or two in, he can start helping us quickly. If that’s the case, you don’t have to worry about the room. Because the room will be happy to have him integrated and helping us. It’s when you push guys aside that have been here all year and the new guy coming in isn’t up to speed, that’s a different story. But I expect Charlie to get up to speed. From every measure I’ve heard, he’s pretty good.â€

The organization’s plan was to have McAvoy make his pro debut on Saturday against Springfield, likely to be paired with veteran Tommy Cross. Whether McAvoy accumulates many games in Providence after that remains to be seen. The robust right-shot defenseman, who draws comparisons to reigning Norris Trophy winner Drew Doughty, is likely to use Providence as a short-term launchpad to propel him back up 95 North.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/b...-and-bruins/yQKCd0jQUXwaX6pnNhuOkM/story.html
 
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