Player Discussion Charlie McAvoy II - UPDATE 4/10 Signed ELC

[Jdavidev]

I'm going to once again cast my vote for "Do what is best for the 2018-2025 Boston Bruins". If they think calling up McAvoy, burning a year of his ELC is the best way to show commitment to him long-term and postive for his development, then I couldn't care any less if it might not be the best thing for the 2016-2017 Boston Bruins team.

I know people like playoff hockey. I know "anything can happen". But the Bruins aren't beating Washington in Round 1 if they see them and they likely aren't advancing past round 2 no matter who they play. I favor playing the odds here and betting on future teams. If they really think this kid is important for their future, then do what's best for his development and loyalty regardless of what it means for this year's team.

But Toronto needs 3 points in their last two games to push Boston down to the WC2 spot, and 4 if the Bruins manage a point on Saturday. If they win? Locked into a matchup with Ottawa or Toronto. Playing Washington in Rd 1 is the least likely option right now.

 

[bp13]

But Toronto needs 3 points in their last two games to push Boston down to the WC2 spot, and 4 if the Bruins manage a point on Saturday. If they win? Locked into a matchup with Ottawa or Toronto. Playing Washington in Rd 1 is the least likely option right now.

I wasn't making the point that they're dead because they're playing the Caps. I said "if" they play Washington they are dead right away. If they don't, they may win a round, but that's best case. My ultimate point here is that they seem to be on their way to building something bigger and better. If they have a few key decisions to make on kids, do what's best for those kids, and specifically future teams, without consideration for how it affects this year's team.

For example, if they feel like they need a point tomorrow to avoid Washington, and they're more likely to get that point with a vet roster rather than with McAvoy, Bjork and JFK playing, but they feel it would be best for each kid to play to show loyalty and to gain experience, play the kids. That's just an example of course.

 

[b in vancouver]

I'm going to once again cast my vote for "Do what is best for the 2018-2025 Boston Bruins". If they think calling up McAvoy, burning a year of his ELC is the best way to show commitment to him long-term and postive for his development, then I couldn't care any less if it might not be the best thing for the 2016-2017 Boston Bruins team.

I know people like playoff hockey. I know "anything can happen". But the Bruins aren't beating Washington in Round 1 if they see them and they likely aren't advancing past round 2 no matter who they play. I favor playing the odds here and betting on future teams. If they really think this kid is important for their future, then do what's best for his development and loyalty regardless of what it means for this year's team.

I'm actually more concerned with the 2021-2027 Bruins. I think that's what they should be concerned about. More important than this years playoffs is making sure that in three years from now the team is making sure they're only paying McAvoy 900k than $4M because maybe then they'll be a higher seed in the playoffs.

 

[ON3M4N]

Morrow hasn't even got a whiff of the ice since Cassidy took over ,can't see him having any faith in him now.

Which is odd since Cassidy coached him down in Providence. I'm sure he'll get non-tender like Connolly did and find even a shred of success elsewhere.

 

[wintersej]

 

[neelynugs]

Cross is left shot

Love him

Cassidy guy

i can see tommy cross as the #7 next season. obviously a lot will happen between now and then, but you could do worse.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Really hoping they don't burn a year. Just bring up Grizz/play morrow.

 

[PB37]

Really hoping they don't burn a year. Just bring up Grizz/play morrow.

Why? Burning a year is not a big deal, especially for a dman. Say by year two he's showing promise but taking some time to put it all together ( like Hamilton ). The Bruins can benefit from this and sign him to a lesser contract when the ELC is up and push back the bigger contract during the time he starts to grow into the defensemen he should be in years 3-5.

They let Torey Krug burn a year off his ELC when they signed him ( played two games in 11-12 ) and it hasn't been a problem.

 

[LouJersey]

I'm going to once again cast my vote for "Do what is best for the 2018-2025 Boston Bruins". If they think calling up McAvoy, burning a year of his ELC is the best way to show commitment to him long-term and postive for his development, then I couldn't care any less if it might not be the best thing for the 2016-2017 Boston Bruins team.

I know people like playoff hockey. I know "anything can happen". But the Bruins aren't beating Washington in Round 1 if they see them and they likely aren't advancing past round 2 no matter who they play. I favor playing the odds here and betting on future teams. If they really think this kid is important for their future, then do what's best for his development and loyalty regardless of what it means for this year's team.

So the Bruins couldn't beat Ottawa, Montreal and Columbus to get to the SC this season?

I mean not likely but, we don't know exactly who we play and what shape those teams could be in by the time we play.

I don't think burning a year on McAvoy has a super bearing on 2021.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Why? Burning a year is not a big deal, especially for a dman. Say by year two he's showing promise but taking some time to put it all together ( like Hamilton ). The Bruins can benefit from this and sign him to a lesser contract when the ELC is up and push back the bigger contract during the time he starts to grow into the defensemen he should be in years 3-5.

They let Torey Krug burn a year off his ELC when they signed him ( played two games in 11-12 ) and it hasn't been a problem.

They "let" Krug burn a year to sign him, McAvoy and Krug are completely different situations.

I also don't accept the "it's not a big deal" line of thinking. It's one less year Mcavoy will be under an ELC, meaning more money. I don't like that approach for a team with the future in mind.

 

[Over the volcano]

They "let" Krug burn a year to sign him, McAvoy and Krug are completely different situations.

I also don't accept the "it's not a big deal" line of thinking. It's one less year Mcavoy will be under an ELC, meaning more money. I don't like that approach for a team with the future in mind.

If they did it with pasta his second deal would have been done last year and would be a hell of a lot cheaper than what he will command this year.

 

[ON3M4N]

They "let" Krug burn a year to sign him, McAvoy and Krug are completely different situations.

I also don't accept the "it's not a big deal" line of thinking. It's one less year Mcavoy will be under an ELC, meaning more money. I don't like that approach for a team with the future in mind.

Right but by burning a year McAvoy's next contract is based on two years instead of three. McAvoy could breakout in his 3rd year and cost you millions more than if you burned a year and had to pay on two years body of work.

Its a gamble either way you play it, but you do what's best for the team now. I'm not looking at 5, 6 or 7 years down the road because the NHL will be different, the salary cap will be different, hell most of the stars of today's game will be retiring.

You do what's best for the team now and next season.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

If they did it with pasta his second deal would have been done last year and would be a hell of a lot cheaper than what he will command this year.

If they did what with Pasta? Give him a 6 year deal based on two years where he hadn't really proven much? Seems unlikely.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Right but by burning a year McAvoy's next contract is based on two years instead of three. McAvoy could breakout in his 3rd year and cost you millions more than if you burned a year and had to pay on two years body of work.

Its a gamble either way you play it, but you do what's best for the team now. I'm not looking at 5, 6 or 7 years down the road because the NHL will be different, the salary cap will be different, hell most of the stars of today's game will be retiring.

You do what's best for the team now and next season.

I see your points, I just disagree with all of it. I'd rather him be on an ELC for as long as possible to take advantage of the potential cap savings those three years.

I trust Sweeney but I'm still in the don't burn it category.

 

[BruinDust]

If they did it with pasta his second deal would have been done last year and would be a hell of a lot cheaper than what he will command this year.

You do realize Pastrnak played in the NHL as an 18-year old the season immediately following his draft, so burning that first year by playing a game or two like is being suggested with McAvoy, was impossible.

They burned it alright, by Pastrnak being on the team as a full-time player for half a season. The absolute earliest Pastrnak could be up for his 2nd contract was this summer, not a single thing Boston could do about that.

 

[Gator Mike]

 

[mflo77]

Right but by burning a year McAvoy's next contract is based on two years instead of three. McAvoy could breakout in his 3rd year and cost you millions more than if you burned a year and had to pay on two years body of work.

Its a gamble either way you play it, but you do what's best for the team now. I'm not looking at 5, 6 or 7 years down the road because the NHL will be different, the salary cap will be different, hell most of the stars of today's game will be retiring.

You do what's best for the team now and next season.

for NOW and NEXT SEASON, the best thing to do is call up McAvoy for tomorrows game.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

for NOW and NEXT SEASON, the best thing to do is call up McAvoy for tomorrows game.

Please explain.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Please explain.

Much like Werenski last year, McAvoy getting called up now & getting into an NHL game + potential playoff games has the chance to set him up really nicely to start with the NHL team next year.

I think getting a taste of NHL (and playoff) competition will really help him train this summer & be a step ahead.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Much like Werenski last year, McAvoy getting called up now & getting into an NHL game + potential playoff games has the chance to set him up really nicely to start with the NHL team next year.

Last year, Werenski played in 7 regular season games for CLE (zero for CLS in the NHL) and 17 playoff games for the Monsters, gaining valuable pro experience...WITHOUT burning a year off his ELC. Then came in, made the NHL team and had a great year in 2016-17.


This year, McAvoy is on pace for 8 regular season games in PRO, and then hopefully a long run in the AHL playoffs...WITHOUT burning a year off his ELC.




Your point was?

 

[Fopppa]

I doubt they play him against WSH unless they promised him a call up when he signed. I won't pretend to know what's best for his development or for the team since my only viewings of him was in the WJC, but I trust Sweeney/Cassidy on this. My feeling is that C Miller gets Krug's spot, otherwise they may as well tell him he's utter crap and will never play here again. If any other d-man is drafted in they'd have to sit another D, which is doubtful since they likely want at least a point from this to avoid the WC spot.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Last year, Werenski played in 7 regular season games for CLE (zero for CLS in the NHL) and 17 playoff games for the Monsters, gaining valuable pro experience...WITHOUT burning a year off his ELC. Then came in, made the NHL team and had a great year in 2016-17.


This year, McAvoy is on pace for 8 regular season games in PRO, and then hopefully a long run in the AHL playoffs...WITHOUT burning a year off his ELC.




Your point was?

exactly what I said it was? I don't know why you're being uncharacteristically sassy tonight, but nothing you said invalidated what I said. Yes Werenski's situation was even more favorable for CLB, but the point still stands that getting into 4+ NHL playoff games could still be a huge launching off point for McAvoy.

And I'm not even saying they should do it, just that there's an argument to be made for it.

 

[chizzler]

nothing new here.

 

[DominicT]

Last year, Werenski played in 7 regular season games for CLE (zero for CLS in the NHL) and 17 playoff games for the Monsters, gaining valuable pro experience...WITHOUT burning a year off his ELC. Then came in, made the NHL team and had a great year in 2016-17.


This year, McAvoy is on pace for 8 regular season games in PRO, and then hopefully a long run in the AHL playoffs...WITHOUT burning a year off his ELC.




Your point was?

In all fairness Joe, Werenski signed an ATO to play in the AHL last year and immediately signed his ELC - but it didn't begin until this season, that's why he didn't burn a year of his ELC.

The thing is, these players we are talking about need to sign an ATO before an ELC to be eligible for the AHL playoffs. If they sign an ELC (and no ATO), they are not eligible.

 

[Gator Mike]

Providence coach Kevin Dean on McAvoy: