Proposal: CGY - TOR prospect swap

[Tkachuk Norris]

I can answer that for you. You're talking with snipetype; the reasoning (as always with him and JohnnyGoodDro) is that the Calgary player is better regardless of logic. The thinking never goes beyond that.

These two forwards have very similar value so it would come down to a team needs thing IMO.

Lol is all I can say

 

[Canada4Gold]

as a leaf fan i do it. there is one problem though bracco is not under contract yet and if we or calgary don't sign him by the deadline then hes going back into the draft. for all we know the leafs could trade him and he refuses to sign with the flames and goes back into the draft. highly unlikely but you never know. at that point it becomes anderssen for the 61st pick. now is that a deal calgary would make?

wrong. He was drafted out of the USHL/US National development team so we have his rights for 4 years. Doesn't matter that he decided to go to the CHL afterwards.

We'll likely sign him this offseason anyway since he's likely Marlies bound next year

 

[Skobel24]

Nothing against Bracco, he's a good prospect. However, I think it's important to hang onto Kylington and Andersson. Main reason being, is that I really think Kulak may be the guy that gets taken by Vegas.

Also, I don't necessarily see Andersson as an offensive dman, regardless of his numbers. He's still very smart defensively. I see him as more of a balanced type.

Wideman and Engelland are gone this offseason. Either Jokipakka or Kulak likely gets taken by Vegas (as I can't see any of the possible forwards being more attractive). Calgary is going to need to bring some of these guys up in the next year or two.

Finally, I'm fine going forward with Frolik/Brouwer as the #1/2 RW's. Tkachuk and Bennett are still going to be very good. Between those two and Gaudreau/Monahan, I think the Flames can get by with second tier guys like Frolik/Brouwer.

 

[Volica]

Major pass on this one. Calgary doesn't need another small skilled winger. We signed Versteeg for a dirt cheap contract who can provide everything Bracco can, and we don't have to spend assets. There's really no need to move assets for these types of prospects unless there's organizational uncertainty (see Granlund and Bartschi trades).

Andersson is one of our reeeeaaal good ones. He's a complete Dman. People who are pegging him as an offensive D man are just seeing the numbers. The guy's good with or without the puck. Also considering he's probably finally working out like a regular professional, I want to see what this kid can do versus trading him.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

That was me, haha.

I like it, gives us a very strong rw prospect and we still have guys like Kulak and Kylington for future d

Bracco is not significantly better a prospect than either Matthew Phillips, Daniel Pribyl, Emile Poirier or Eetu Tuulola. I like him, but Rasmus Andersson is another tier of prospect who could be playing top four for us within a calendar year.

 

[Lunatik]

He's atleast on par with Poirier, They put up similar numbers in their draft+1 Poirier put up 1.38 ppg in the Q, While Bracco put up a 1.3 in the superior OHL. Bracco is late birthday so he didn't get the luxury of jumping to the AHL for his draft+2 while Poirier did. But just for reference in their draft+2 Poirier had an 0.48 ppg in the AHL while Bracco is currently holding a 2 ppg in the OHL. So take that info as you will.

and like you mentioned Tkachuk and Klimchuk have both played RW but theyre LW.

So he'd be relatively tied for your best RW spot.

Comparing points in the CHL between years, leagues and teams is absolutely pointless and tells you very little. Bracco may have had better numbers in his draft +1 year, but he was also 3rd in team scoring, while Poirier led is team in scoring in dominant fashion. Sean Monahan is the perfect example of this as his OHL numbers in his draft year were low compared to other guys taken that high, but the 67s were so poor that it hurt his numbers. But also just for reference Poirier was also named an AHL all-star in his draft +2 year and for the record, Bracco was drafted out of the USHL, so he did have the luxury of playing in the AHL this season but the Leafs decided against it.

 

[DJJones]

Why the hell would be trade our best defensive prospect for a small winger?

 

[Menzinger]

I'd pass from the Leafs.

I think Bracco has by far the highest ceiling of all their wingers not playing in the NHL

 

[kk87]

Bad for the Flames, I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Johnny GODreau]

The Leafs do need to shed wingers but I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger because of Bracco's ceiling, much rather play the wait and see game.


Who says he needs to grow a couple of inches? He's already bigger and taller than Gaudreau (You're a fan of his right?). Gaudreau has proven that if you're good enough offensively and fast enough you can succeed at the NHL level, two attributes that Bracco carries.

Right now Bracco is averaging 2 points per game (3rd in the OHL), stop acting like he 's just another small forward you throw away.

I did Because the west is built big, and we have enough small players.

Flames also had a small forward that put up 2 points per game in the superior WHL in his draft + 1 year. He's currently has 1 goal on the Canucks.

Bracco's a fine a fine prospect, but the Flames will keep their guy.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

I wouldn't do that trade from a Calgary perspective. RA is just a flat out better prospect in a key position.

 

[LV*]

Comparing points in the CHL between years, leagues and teams is absolutely pointless and tells you very little. Bracco may have had better numbers in his draft +1 year, but he was also 3rd in team scoring, while Poirier led is team in scoring in dominant fashion. Sean Monahan is the perfect example of this as his OHL numbers in his draft year were low compared to other guys taken that high, but the 67s were so poor that it hurt his numbers. But also just for reference Poirier was also named an AHL all-star in his draft +2 year and for the record, Bracco was drafted out of the USHL, so he did have the luxury of playing in the AHL this season but the Leafs decided against it.

This is a bad point.

Ryan MacInnis was 19/20, in his third OHL season: 59GP 81P = 1.31PPG
Adam Mascherin was 17, in his second OHL season: 65GP 81P = 1.24PPG
Jeremy Bracco was 18, in his first OHL season: 49GP 64P = 1.30PPG

Now this year he has one less point in two less games than Mascherin, who everyone on HFboards loves.

Lets look at the dominant Poirier, shall we?

Poirier: 63GP 87P = 1.38 PPG<---- WOW DOMINANT FASHION!!!
Reway: 43GP 62P = 1.44 PPG

 

[Lunatik]

This is a bad point.

Ryan MacInnis was 19/20, in his third OHL season: 59GP 81P = 1.31PPG
Adam Mascherin was 17, in his second OHL season: 65GP 81P = 1.24PPG
Jeremy Bracco was 18, in his first OHL season: 49GP 64P = 1.30PPG

Now this year he has one less point in two less games than Mascherin, who everyone on HFboards loves.

Lets look at the dominant Poirier, shall we?

Poirier: 63GP 87P = 1.38 PPG<---- WOW DOMINANT FASHION!!!
Reway: 43GP 62P = 1.44 PPG

Oh right the "pace" that Leafs fans rely on for all arguments It's like games played doesn't actually matter to you guys. My point still stands about comparing players between teams, leagues and seasons in the CHL, it's a stupid and fruitless activity. How about you keep your next Leaf god and we keep our guys?

 

[Halla]

No he wouldn't instantly be our best RW prospect, he'd be behind Poirier at least and like I said Tkachuk and Klimchuk both can play RW too and could easily end up there, both of whom are also ahead of Bracco. You are also vastly underrating Andersson's abilities without the puck.

poirier? lol he is likely to be lost to vegas. after a very dissapointing AHL season not a chance is he ahead of Bracco. 40pts in 19 games by the way. thats pretty good. could be the best player in the OHL

 

[Kritty]

40pts in 19 games by the way. thats pretty good. could be the best player in the OHL

Exactly, the OHL. Go through the history of the CHL and see how many guys put up ridiculous numbers in the OHL to do nothing as NHLers. Corey Locke comes to mind real quickly. Guys like Andersson and Mangiapane are near PPG players in the AHL as rookies. Far better of a measuring stick than the OHL where there are players who will be out of hockey in 4 years time.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

I do this and I'm a HUGE bracco fan

Don't think Calgary does it

 

[Canadian Game]

While Andersson is a good dman, I've never been a fan. I've seen him play a few times and he's one of the biggest cowards I've watched. He will try to stir things up or make a dirty hit but then is often first to weasel his way out of a scrum and watch from afar while his teammates are in the mess he created.

 

[Gavy]

Andersson isn't a forward. If you're gonna take shots at people, you should know who you're talking about.

Lol is all I can say

He isnt wrong...

 

[DJJones]

He isnt wrong...

He's by definition wrong. All I've seen this week is Toronto fans bash on Calgary players and then getting the most basic things wrong about them.

Jankowski is a 6th year AHL bust
Backlund can't score and is a third liner
Tkachuk can't score
Andersson is a forward that is cheap and not a good teammate.
Hamilton can't throw a hit to save his life

Why the hell do you guys keep asking for our players if they all suck? There is no trade whatsoever that makes sense between our two teams.

 

[TML1967]

Leafs fan coming in peace

I think a deal here is possible, but I dont think it would be 1 for 1.

I like Braco, hell of a player. Looks more and more like a Marner and less like a AHLer every time I watch him on the OHl stream. Great foot speed and has gained an extra gear for top speed this year. Congrats whoever is his strength and conditioning coach.

Saying that, he has allot of wingers to leapfrog on the Leafs to make it to the NHL. Teams know we have a ton of super talented W prospects, so I assume they will not offer full price.

R.A is a good D man who plays a better 2 way game then most people on here give him credit for, watched him a lot last year.

BUT I also think in the O zone, he wont be as effective in the NHL. His shot is by no mean elite from the point, and his passes need to become a heck of allot crisper to be a functional top 4 NHLer.

Saying all this, I think the deal would need to be Bracco + a late pick/minor other prospect for Andersson, Rasmus.

 

[DJJones]

I think a deal here is possible, but I dont think it would be 1 for 1.

I like Braco, hell of a player. Looks more and more like a Marner and less like a AHLer every time I watch him on the OHl stream. Great foot speed and has gained an extra gear for top speed this year. Congrats whoever is his strength and conditioning coach.

Saying that, he has allot of wingers to leapfrog on the Leafs to make it to the NHL. Teams know we have a ton of super talented W prospects, so I assume they will not offer full price.

R.A is a good D man who plays a better 2 way game then most people on here give him credit for, watched him a lot last year.

BUT I also think in the O zone, he wont be as effective in the NHL. His shot is by no mean elite from the point, and his passes need to become a heck of allot crisper to be a functional top 4 NHLer.

Saying all this, I think the deal would need to be Bracco + a late pick/minor other prospect for Andersson, Rasmus.

Pribyl, Poirier, Mangiapane, Shinkaruk and Klimchuk are all fighting for a wing spot next year.

We are going to loose Wideman, Engellend, and one of Kulak or Jokkipakka in the expansion draft. Andersson and Wotherspoon are the only guys that are going to be ready next year.

This makes zero sense for Calgary. Andersson is untouchable unless we get a young top 4 defense coming back.