Confirmed Trade: [CGY/NJD] Simon Nemec, Maxim Tsyplakov for Etienne Morin, 2026 2nd, 2027 VGK 1st (top 10 protected), 2028 COL 1st (top 10 protected)

[57special]

Nemec and Jiricek, the two golden boys from the 2022 draft, haven't exactly been killing it so far. Korchinski, either.

This trade seems eerily like the Jiricek trade.

 

[skatefreak961]

It was the drafting, not the developing that was the issue.

Chicken or the egg

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Having only watched Jersey a couple times when the Flames played them, they seemed to be all gas no breaks. It worked once and Jersey won in Calgary (IIRC) the other time (in Jersey) they got beat by our bum ass 3rd and 4th liners. In my limited viewings Jersey had next to no defensive structure and while that lead to a couple good offensive chances they were a complete and utter mess in their own zone.

Flames are quite defensive orientated, we don't have the top end defenders to make waves, but the past couple years we have routinely made waiver wire/fringe NHLer's fit in and look somewhat decent.

You guys are interacting with the final boss of doomers, but this “all gas no brakes” stuff is pretty funny considering the Devils had better GA numbers than Calgary while dragging the insane (in a bad way) performance of Markstrom.

The Devils problem was *too much* structure if anything. They completely abandoned the rush offense that was successful for them in the past.

 

[Volica]

You guys are interacting with the final boss of doomers, but this “all gas no brakes” stuff is pretty funny considering the Devils had better GA numbers than Calgary while dragging the insane (in a bad way) performance of Markstrom.

The Devils problem was *too much* structure if anything. They completely abandoned the rush offense that was successful for them in the past.

Congratulations.
Your team had a 3 goal advantage over a club that had Olli Maatta playing 22:30 a night

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Congratulations.
Your team had a 3 goal advantage over a club that had Olli Maatta playing 22:30 a night

Yeah, but you had Kevin Bahl, so obviously that evens out.

Again, the point was responding to a clearly wrong account of systems - the Devils had Jacob Markstrom’s corpse and an injured blue line all year. Low event system hockey was not the problem in NJ, nor was the supposed lack of system a driver of Nemec just being bad.

 

[Czechboy]

You need to go to more games in Calgary wearing Czech or Slovak jersey. Lol.

I have a few of them!

 

[Fig]

Etienne Morin is getting forgotten in this trade with Nemec taking up all the spot light, but I just realized that stylistically, he potentially has many similarities to Nemec. Footspeed an issue but a robust two way game. I wonder if whoever is in Jersey is intentional in chasing that type of archetype?

I want to say Severson might be in a similar realm of those guys. Somewhat rover minded, but not as smooth elite level skating and fast as other rovers the Flames have had in the past.

 

[dgibb10]

You guys are interacting with the final boss of doomers, but this “all gas no brakes” stuff is pretty funny considering the Devils had better GA numbers than Calgary while dragging the insane (in a bad way) performance of Markstrom.

The Devils problem was *too much* structure if anything. They completely abandoned the rush offense that was successful for them in the past.

Yeah the all gas no brakes system was Ruffs. And in fact that was where Nemec was at his best.

 

[Bond]

Hopefully this isn’t Hamonic 2.0.

 

[Blackjack]

There are two ends on the ice. Elias excelled on both.

That's great. Hughes is far more impactful on the team's results.

 

[Blackjack]

Chicken or the egg

Not really, no.

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

That's great. Hughes is far more impactful on the team's results.

and that’s why they missed the playoffs

 

[Blackjack]

and that’s why they missed the playoffs

Yeah, that's definitely a legitimate and fair way to compare players. Great point.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Personally, I would've taken a more patient approach and made these picks or packaged them to move up in the draft. That being said, Conroy has won nearly every other trade with the Devils, so maybe it will work out

 

[hangman005]

That poor draft pick must feel so unloved

 

[DFF]

And 22 yo Hanifin was significantly better than Nemec.

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22 year old Hanifin was an all situations top 4 defenseman in Calgary.

You're thinking of 21 year old Hanifin, who was the #4D in Carolina that season, while 21 year old Nemec wasn't even an NHL player.


You don't understand the timeline it seems. At 22, Nemec was an opportunistic lead footed offensive dman who was a huge defensive liability, while 22 y/o Hanifin was a elite skating all situations top 4 D on one of the top teams in the league.

They're not remotely comparable.

Let’s not rewrite history. Hanifin may have played more game but at the time of that trade there were lots of discussion that he was a disappointment and not worth his draft position.

Yes he is a much better skater but it’s not like he was a sure top 4 dman at the time of the trade.

Nemec may or may not work out but I would say he comes with the same questions and expectations

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Im sad to see Nemec go. I'll always root for the guy, same goes for Sharangovich, Bahl & Coleman.

Nemec has parts of his game he really needs to improve, still only 22 years old and had alot of clutch moments this past season. If he can improve his footspeed and cut down on the mental lapses, he is going to be a great player.

 

[Lunatik]

Let’s not rewrite history. Hanifin may have played more game but at the time of that trade there were lots of discussion that he was a disappointment and not worth his draft position.

Yes he is a much better skater but it’s not like he was a sure top 4 dman at the time of the trade.

Nemec may or may not work out but I would say he comes with the same questions and expectations

you know something is wrong in the universe when we essentially agree on something

 

[Lunatik]

That poor draft pick must feel so unloved

Should I sit down with it and share my experience of being unloved and tell it that it's okay to be a a loser?

 

[HighLifeMan]

Hanifin was never really considered an offensive defenseman. Always seen as more of a mobile 2 way defender.

Except for the fact that Hanifin scored at a higher rate in a lower scoring era through his first 4 years in the league, and had already broken the 30 point plateau twice as a 20 and 21 year old, something Nemec has yet to do.

That's funny because Noah Hanifin played more PP minutes as a 19 year old rookie in the NHL than Nemec has during his three years combined to date. Maybe that speaks to some of the issues Nemec has had finding his confidence and the lack of opportunity he's received so far in his career.

 

[Rubi]

The Nemec trade is a great trade for CGY. Assuming the draft picks traded will result in picks no better than the 25th pick in 2027 and 2028, here are the stats for the last 55 years for players drafted 25th overall…

Success Rates of NHL Draft Picks

NOTE: Every player is different, but collecting data from the 1963 NHL Amateur Draft through the 2023 NHL Entry Draft, here is how the 25th first-round pick stands up in terms of career games
Hockey Reference, Quant Hockey, the NHL, and other sources were used.

25th Overall:
1+ NHL Games: 85.4% (47/55)
100+ NHL Games: 56.3% (31/55)
300+ NHL Games: 38.1% (21/55)
500+ NHL Games: 25.8% (15/55)
750+ NHL Games: 16.3% (9/55)
1000+ NHL Games: 3.6% (2/55)

 

[UrbanImpact]

Devils actually chose Thanasis Hughes over Nemec? sheesh

Not sure Calgary is a good fit tho given they have Parekh.

We already know Nemec isnt afraid to ask for a trade if he doesnt get the prime time opportunities like PP1 QB.

They also have Hunter Bruz who has a track record of doing the same thing ( demanding/bailing out if he doesnt see a path to him being "the guy" especially on pp1.)

 

[Forge]

The Nemec trade is a great trade for CGY. Assuming the draft picks traded will result in picks no better than the 25th pick in 2027 and 2028, here are the stats for the last 55 years for players drafted 25th overall…

Success Rates of NHL Draft Picks

NOTE: Every player is different, but collecting data from the 1963 NHL Amateur Draft through the 2023 NHL Entry Draft, here is how the 25th first-round pick stands up in terms of career games
Hockey Reference, Quant Hockey, the NHL, and other sources were used.

25th Overall:
1+ NHL Games: 85.4% (47/55)
100+ NHL Games: 56.3% (31/55)
300+ NHL Games: 38.1% (21/55)
500+ NHL Games: 25.8% (15/55)
750+ NHL Games: 16.3% (9/55)
1000+ NHL Games: 3.6% (2/55)

It's fairly likely that nemec is the best player involved in this trade.

That's not the end all, be all, of course, but certainly an important starting point

 

[Rubi]

Devils actually chose Thanasis Hughes over Nemec? sheesh

Not sure Calgary is a good fit tho given they have Parekh.

We already know Nemec isnt afraid to ask for a trade if he doesnt get the prime time opportunities like PP1 QB.

They also have Hunter Bruz who has a track record of doing the same thing ( demanding/bailing out if he doesnt see a path to him being "the guy" especially on pp1.)

I think Nemec is a great fit. Assuming Nemec and Parekh will both play in the top 4 but on different pairings, you end up having a defenseman on the ice who's an offensive threat for 45-50 minutes a game.
I also suspect Nemec will get more than enough ice time, playing for Calgary, to keep him happy.
Sounds like the top 4 will be:
Bahl - Nemec
Parekh - Whitecloud

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

you know something is wrong in the universe when we essentially agree on something

It's not that crazy considering the user you guys are debating with. They love making up "facts" to fit their narrative.

Maybe this will help clear things up about Hanifin's offensive vs defensive game early in his career