Proposal: CGY / Nash / Ari

[*OvechKiN*]

To Calgary:
Forsberg resigned (6.5 x 7 yrs - after 2.0 retained)
Ryan Johansen (after 2MM retained)

To Arizona:
Retain 1.5MM x 7 on Forsberg
Retain 1.0MM x 4 on Johansen
Yan Kuznetsov
Dustin Wolf
Flames 1st 2022 (top 5 protected)

To Nashville:
Retain 1.0MM x 4 on Johansen
Retain 0.5MM x 7 on Forsberg
Sean Monahan
Dillon Dube
Nikita Zadorov

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[Ledge And Dairy]

Calgary, Arizona, and the NHL both instantly decline this.
1. Arizona is already retaining on 2/3 contracts and 1 is already 6 years, no chance they want to use their last 2 retention slots on long term deals for players that literally never played for them. You can't even retain on a contract that hasn't started yet.
2. Holy Christ that is an insane overpayment for an overpayed center and a player that is in their final year of a contract (not that Forsberg would ever sign for only 6.5M). You realize this is like triple what Eichel got and you are taking back a declining 30 year old player making 7M

 

[*OvechKiN*]

Removed Pelletier

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Removed Pelletier

You still failed to acknowledge that your trade fundamentally is impossible since you can't retain on contracts that have not started yet or retain on more than 3 contracts at a time.

And it's still a major overpay

 

[treple13]

I don't see why Calgary is going for this. Monahan is more valuable than Johansen contracts included even WITH the retention, since Monahan's contract is done sooner.

So you are left with Calgary trading Dube, Wolf, a 1st and a recent 2nd round pick (and Zadorov who we traded a 3rd to acquire) for a UFA? That's an absolutely insane deal, and it doesn't factor in that Calgary almost certainly does not have the cap space to fit both of those guys on the team next year without having to trade someone like Tkachuk, or losing Gaudreau UFA for nothing.

 

[vipera1960]

This is just BAD. I mean, its bad for Calgary, but it’s simply atrocious for the other teams. Most poorly thought out proposals have the fan’s team winning, but I think this is a lose/lose/lose.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

There's zero incentive here for Nashville. Monahan and Johansen are more or less a wash at this point, with one on a worse contract (but the other having to be re-signed in another year). Johansen is not in cap dump territory for the Preds. He plays big minutes for us and we have zero cap space issues.

Trading Forsberg, while presumably helping to facilitate a contract extension, and not getting back a top prospect or a 1st rounder and only getting back a bottom 6/middle 6 guy we have plenty of already and a LHD defenseman we have no need of is awful.

I may be mistaken, but also think Arizona only has one more retention slot.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

There's zero incentive here for Nashville. Monahan and Johansen are more or less a wash at this point, with one on a worse contract (but the other having to be re-signed in another year). Johansen is not in cap dump territory for the Preds. He plays big minutes for us and we have zero cap space issues.

Trading Forsberg, while presumably helping to facilitate a contract extension, and not getting back a top prospect or a 1st rounder and only getting back a bottom 6/middle 6 guy we have plenty of already and a LHD defenseman we have no need of is awful.

I may be mistaken, but also think Arizona only has one more retention slot.

You were originally getting a top prospect in Pelletier but since Calgary is definitely overpaying here (not that the trade is good for anyone) OP took him out of the proposal. Overall just a proposal with very little actual logic or thought process behind it.

 

[rt]

AZ can only retain on one. So make it 2.5 on RyJo.

 

[Double Dion]

If Nashville is out of it then going after Forsberg as a rental is a valid option. I don't see the need for Johanssen. We will have 4 players getting raises at the end of this season. Mangiapane raise will be massive. Potentially 4M raise. Kylington between 2 and 3.25 M depending on short term or long. Gaudreau 1 to 2M. Tkachuk 2M. That's 10M in raises. We can only rent, not buy.

 

[Armourboy]

You were originally getting a top prospect in Pelletier but since Calgary is definitely overpaying here (not that the trade is good for anyone) OP took him out of the proposal. Overall just a proposal with very little actual logic or thought process behind it.

Yeah Calgary may be overpaying but with him removed it basically means Nashville ends up eating a whole lot of bad on the deal for little or no return.

We would be better off just trading Forsberg for a 1st and decent prospect.

 

[Double Dion]

Yeah Calgary may be overpaying but with him removed it basically means Nashville ends up eating a whole lot of bad on the deal for little or no return.

We would be better off just trading Forsberg for a 1st and decent prospect.

That's a deal I'd be interested in looking at around the TDL. Might make sense depending on the positioning of both teams. I know he plays LW for the Preds, but a RHS top 6 forward is exactly what we need.

Might be something there if the Preds are out of it and the Flames are playing consistent hockey.

 

[McJedi]

To Calgary:
Forsberg resigned (6.5 x 7 yrs - after 2.0 retained)
Ryan Johansen (after 2MM retained)

To Arizona:
Retain 1.5MM x 7 on Forsberg
Retain 1.0MM x 4 on Johansen
Yan Kuznetsov
Dustin Wolf
Flames 1st 2022 (top 5 protected)

To Nashville:
Retain 1.0MM x 4 on Johansen
Retain 0.5MM x 7 on Forsberg
Sean Monahan
Dillon Dube
Nikita Zadorov

This is terrible for Nashville. Of course they say no.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I would pile on with the Nashville fans refusing this proposal. It's horrible for us. I don't see Monahan as any upgrade on Johansen, and we have no interest whatsoever in Dube or Zadorov. That proposal basically reads like us retaining money and giving Forsberg away for free. Why on earth would we do that? We're better off just losing Forsberg as a UFA.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I would pile on with the Nashville fans refusing this proposal. It's horrible for us. I don't see Monahan as any upgrade on Johansen, and we have no interest whatsoever in Dube or Zadorov. That proposal basically reads like us retaining money and giving Forsberg away for free. Why on earth would we do that? We're better off just losing Forsberg as a UFA.

Having no interest in Dube makes no sense to me, thats like saying you would happily waive Kunin

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Having no interest in Dube makes no sense to me, thats like saying you would happily waive Kunin

But we already have Kunin and unless it's on the 4th line we don't really have room to add any other generic filler players? I'd take Dube on waivers, mind you, but I wouldn't go out and make a trade for him. I have no interest in acquiring him in a trade.

 

[Nanuuk]

Pretty sad proposal all around. Sure Forsberg is a talent. And sure I'd like to see him in Flames colours. But I wouldn't gut the team to get him anymore than I would to acquire Eichel.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Having no interest in Dube makes no sense to me, thats like saying you would happily waive Kunin

How is that similar at all? We like Kunin just fine, it doesn't mean we want or need a whole lot more players like him, especially if we're trading two of our most important players (and Forsberg getting extended as part of it). If he's an add in along with a high-level prospect+pick that's a different story, but otherwise not really what we're looking for in a return for Forsberg.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

But we already have Kunin and unless it's on the 4th line we don't really have room to add any other generic filler players? I'd take Dube on waivers, mind you, but I wouldn't go out and make a trade for him. I have no interest in acquiring him in a trade.

"Generic player" is a really bad description of Dube. You realize he's 23 right? A generic player is someone who could be picked up off the waiver wire and fill in spot. Someone who has no clear strengths or stands out. Dube is worth at least a 1st on the trade market as he is a clear top 9 power forward with lots of speed. Saying you have no interest and saying his role is not a high priority target are 2 entirely different things.

How is that similar at all? We like Kunin just fine, it doesn't mean we want or need a whole lot more players like him, especially if we're trading two of our most important players (and Forsberg getting extended as part of it). If he's an add in along with a high-level prospect+pick that's a different story, but otherwise not really what we're looking for in a return for Forsberg.

The pieces Nashville is trading in the OP are unrelated to whether one should or shouldn't want Dube on their roster. If you scroll up you would know that ive already stated how awful the original proposal was to begin with. Dube is a very good middle 6 player with loads of speed and tenacity, the point I was making is that saying "we have no interest in Dube" is a very uneducated opinion.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

"Generic player" is a really bad description of Dube. You realize he's 23 right? A generic player is someone who could be picked up off the waiver wire and fill in spot. Someone who has no clear strengths or stands out. Dube is worth at least a 1st on the trade market as he is a clear top 9 power forward with lots of speed. Saying you have no interest and saying his role is not a high priority target are 2 entirely different things.


The pieces Nashville is trading in the OP are unrelated to whether one should or shouldn't want Dube on their roster. If you scroll up you would know that ive already stated how awful the original proposal was to begin with. Dube is a very good middle 6 player with loads of speed and tenacity, the point I was making is that saying "we have no interest in Dube" is a very uneducated opinion.

Or it could be that the poster knows we have players that fill the "speed and tenacity" role on the roster already. That we have guys that can fill the same production role or project to be able to do the same. Maybe he knows our current and projected roster makeup and sees that adding that type of player is redundant. And it's pointless to strip away the context of the trade, because this is the context the player is being brought up in. I mean, if you want to trade us Dube for Nick Cousins or Rocco Grimaldi, I'd envision that the position would change.

Ultimately though, this is just bumping a proposal that needs to be locked up at this point.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

"Generic player" is a really bad description of Dube. You realize he's 23 right? A generic player is someone who could be picked up off the waiver wire and fill in spot. Someone who has no clear strengths or stands out. Dube is worth at least a 1st on the trade market as he is a clear top 9 power forward with lots of speed. Saying you have no interest and saying his role is not a high priority target are 2 entirely different things.

Uh, saying I have no interest and saying his role is not a high priority target are EXACTLY the same thing. We have Dube's role filled already and more on the way. He is therefore of no interest to us.

If you want to trade him somewhere else and think you can get a 1st for him and get away with calling him a power forward, I mean, fill your boots. Best of luck. You saying that still doesn't make me have any interest in him, however.

 

[TheHudlinator]

Hard pass

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

"Generic player" is a really bad description of Dube. You realize he's 23 right? A generic player is someone who could be picked up off the waiver wire and fill in spot. Someone who has no clear strengths or stands out. Dube is worth at least a 1st on the trade market as he is a clear top 9 power forward with lots of speed. Saying you have no interest and saying his role is not a high priority target are 2 entirely different things.

So is Kunin and Kunin has outproduced Dube in the NHL and Kunin has been traded for not a 1st and the trade was kind of an overpay by the Preds on top of him not getting a 1st. So, no, Dube is not worth at least a 1st.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

So is Kunin and Kunin has outproduced Dube in the NHL and Kunin has been traded for not a 1st and the trade was kind of an overpay by the Preds on top of him not getting a 1st. So, no, Dube is not worth at least a 1st.

That trade was definitely a win for the Preds, I said that the day it happened, reverse of the Fiala trade. As for that trade I would say Bonino and a 2nd is worth a 1st in value so yes Dube would get a 1st if he was shopped

 

[Djp]

To Calgary:
Forsberg resigned (6.5 x 7 yrs - after 2.0 retained)
Ryan Johansen (after 2MM retained)

To Arizona:
Retain 1.5MM x 7 on Forsberg
Retain 1.0MM x 4 on Johansen
Yan Kuznetsov
Dustin Wolf
Flames 1st 2022 (top 5 protected)

To Nashville:
Retain 1.0MM x 4 on Johansen
Retain 0.5MM x 7 on Forsberg
Sean Monahan
Dillon Dube
Nikita Zadorov

nashville is not retaining on Forsberg extension.

what you are sending to nashville wouldn’t get Forseberg as a rental.

teams can only retain 3 players at a time. Arizona retained long on OEL. They aren’t retaining long again.