Proposal: CGY makes moves to acquire 10 and 11

[FLAMESFAN]

This is exactly my thinking for why CGY should make moves this year. Having picks 9 through 11 in this years draft could be like having 3 picks in the top 7 of other draft classes.

This draft is a tier system, not ranking. Celebrini is the first tier
Levshunov, Demidov, Lindstrom, Silayev are the second
Then Iginla, Catton, Dickinson, Buium, Parekh + are in the third. You could make a legit argument for each of these guys in this third tier to be ranked higher than others in this tier. Grabbing three of them would be huge.

I agree with most of what you've said, but I also still have Yak & Helenius in that 3rd group too.
Getting 3 of these guys i think is wishful thinking

 

[Double Dion]

Sure I don’t. But keep presuming what other people do and don’t know. I’m sure that will get you far in life and I’m sure you talk to other people like that face to face.

I do talk like that with people who are ignorant and comment on things they clearly know nothing about. I live where 1/3rd of the top prospects play. I don't comment on the NBA draft, because I don't know anything about it. Perhaps you should practice the same thing. Every NHL exec I've heard has said varying degrees of "After pick #1 it's wide open." Every scout says the same thing. My eyes watching the 4 top WHLers say the same thing. Yet here comes professor snark from a no prospect market saying how dumb all of us are.

 

[HuGort]

I get that you're trying to pump up the value of your pick. It won't work. Prospect 3 or 4 to 13 are interchangeable. I'd actually prefer Catton personally.

No, not al all. Never do anything like that. I doubt Habs are trading down. They very high on Lindstrom. Certainly not going to pass on him for lousy 28th in draft with no depth.

It's like I told Habs fans. If that's Guy Lafleur's son, with Ignila skill set. are you interested in acquring him?

 

[Djp]

CGY has some nice pieces on their roster. The Devils and Sabres have stated that their picks (10 and 11 respectively) are in play.



Andersson for BUF’s 11th overall+one of their many forward prospects?

Anderssen does not have that value.

Sabres <-- Kadri, Andersson

Flames <-- #11, Skinner, Rosen


If Calgary is rebuilding, they may as well swap 5 years of Kadri for 3 years of Skinner

If Buffalo is looking to contend, Kadri gives their lineup a significant upgrade down the middle

Buffalo Is not taking a worse csp dump in Kadri

 

[Double Dion]

Anderssen does not have that value.




Buffalo Is not taking a worse csp dump in Kadri

Do you legitimately believe Kadri is worse than Skinner? He would have led your team in scoring last year while being your best defensive forward. Hard to believe someone could think that.

 

[CowbellConray]

If Andersson is available the Leafs will be competitive with that. They could trade Marner for futures and then move those futures for Andersson if that is what the Flames want.

And while Toronto is trying to deal Marner for a deal that makes sense, the Sabres and Flames already say yes and get it done

 

[EK392000]

I agree with most of what you've said, but I also still have Yak & Helenius in that 3rd group too.
Getting 3 of these guys i think is wishful thinking

Hence the plus. But the fact that you could add to that third tier just furthers the point that after the 5th pick, there really isn’t a clear cut best player available until around the 12th pick.

The best player for the team drafting is the player they need. Pretty unique draft in that sense.

 

[Billdo]

It would take A LOT for New Jersey to move #10 to Calgary. If Calgary wants that pick, Fitzgerald is likely asking for the below in return:

- Markstrom - 50% retained
- Blake Coleman - 50% retained
- 28th overall

Even that might not be enough to get the 10th pick.

God you're bad at this.

NJ fans are the new Habs fans

Don't lump all of us in with this dude.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I know, that user has made made infinite posts trying to convince Calgary fans they should trade up to #5 for Iginla when we are likely better off having him go before we pick. We need help at every position but wing. Trading up to 5 for a winger that might switch to center is moronic when every other player going between 5 and 10 is a center or defenseman

At 9 he would be a good pick but i agree that at 5 theres better options

 

[Ace]

there’s certainly logic to Calgary and Buffalo as trade partners. Unfortunately, everyone in Calgary has trade protections thus ending that logic. No one in the league will waive to go to a small market, bad weather, high tax team that has an NHL record playoff drought and took a step back again last year.

I’m a Buffalo fan. Trust me. Unless they were born here or in southern Ontario…I don’t blame them. i am critical of our GMs inaction because every time a rumor comes out that they were in on someone who couldn’t block it and it doesn’t get done I think about the three more things that will inevitably come out about someone refusing to accept the deal. He needs to get the things that can get done across the finish line or this will never change. And I don’t mean flipping a center for a D like Mitts for Byram. I mean adding to the roster. Not rearranging the furniture. Futures for players that can help is what he should have been doing for the last three years and he has done ZERO of it.

Calgary doesn’t have anyone who can’t block a trade that makes sense for Buffalo to go after. So the story will end the same

 

[User1996]

A lot of pressure for Conroy to get Iginla. Bukala was on Marek today. Said he's not getting past 5. Expect Calgary to offer 28 to switch picks with Montreal.

Where’s this pressure you speak of?

 

[cowboy82nd]

I am not an insider, but Marner will have quite a few teams heavily interested.

Why would he move unless it's a sign and trade? Marner is a UFA after next year. He'll have teams interested in him then also.

 

[HuGort]

Where’s this pressure you speak of?

Talking about it on Marek show yesterday, when Bukala was on. Marek was on Sportsnet last night repeated it.

Remember I said two months ago Habs had heavy interest in Ignila? When they went back to meet him for fourth time I knew. Hughes only done that twice before and both times drafted the player.

They feel his floor 60 points two way forward. With competitiveness of his father. Ceiling 40 goal guy, heart and soul of team.

If all three are there at 5, I mean Demidov and Lindstrom, Montreal have difficult choice. Buium also getting a lot of praise on Basu last night. Compared him to Makar. But we stacked on LD. Team like Ottawa might be interested in switching picks? We know still get one of them. Lindstrom many feel we get. Stay tuned!

 

[User1996]

Talking about it on Marek show yesterday, when Bukala was on. Marek was on Sportsnet last night repeated it.

Remember I said two months ago Habs had heavy interest in Ignila? When they went back to meet him for fourth time I knew. Hughes only done that twice before and both times drafted the player.

They feel his floor 60 points two way forward. With competitiveness of his father. Ceiling 40 goal guy, heart and soul of team.

If all three are there at 5, I mean Demidov and Lindstrom, Montreal have difficult choice. Buium also getting a lot of praise on Basu last night. Compared him to Makar. But we stacked on LD. Team like Ottawa might be interested in switching picks? We know still get one of them. Lindstrom may feel we get. Stay tuned!

Did they mention where the pressure was coming from for Conroy to get Iginla? Is it ownership?

I get the sense, from living in Calgary, Flames Twitter, HF Flames, that it’s pretty well split amongst fans - casuals seem to have a bit more affinity to get Iginla “at all costs” because of the name recognition. I think among more serious fans the general attitude is “if he’s there at 9, fantastic”, but I think most of us would be very upset if they moved into the top 5 to get him.

Anyways, that’s my pulse on it. Just wondering if they specifically mentioned a source there is pressure from, or if it’s just media speculation based on the last name.

 

[Gabrielor]

CGY has some nice pieces on their roster. The Devils and Sabres have stated that their picks (10 and 11 respectively) are in play.

With that in mind, what sorts of moves could CGY make to acquire those picks?

Markstrom with retention + 2nd for NJ’s 10th overall?

Andersson for BUF’s 11th overall+one of their many forward prospects?

Having 9, 10, 11 in this draft could allow CGY to land a core for the team going forward. Iginla, Catton, Buium + the prospect from Buffalo. I’m thinking they could rebuild through one draft the way Dallas did with the Heiskanen/Robertson/Otter draft.

Buffalo counter:

11 for Coleman, straight up. Need him to waive to Buffalo, of course.

 

[Ainsy01]

Andersson deal is realistic, but there isn't a chance in hell Jersey gives up a 10th for Marky imo regardless of the retention or picks added (unless its half our draft).

i could see markstrom and vancouvers first being enough

 

[n8]

Ya, no way is Calgary trading Kadri for Skinner, and no way is Skinner waiving his NMC to go to Calgary.

I actually like this one with those two guys removed, though.

Calgary: Andersson.

Sabres: 11th and Rosen.

Feels like Sabres could then move one of their many LD at some point.

You removed positive value going to Buffalo and removed negative value leaving Buffalo.
That is now way overpayment.

Andersson probably can get you 11OA or Rosen (+lower pick), not both. Only 2 years left on his contract so not sure why Buffalo does that. Calgary can probably get a better package.

 

[EK392000]

Buffalo counter:

11 for Coleman, straight up. Need him to waive to Buffalo, of course.

I am not a CGY fan but I imagine they do that fairly easily. As important as he is, #11 in this draft is a better long term decision.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Why would he move unless it's a sign and trade? Marner is a UFA after next year. He'll have teams interested in him then also.

Obviously any move would be a sign and trade

 

[frontsfan67]

CGY has some nice pieces on their roster. The Devils and Sabres have stated that their picks (10 and 11 respectively) are in play.

With that in mind, what sorts of moves could CGY make to acquire those picks?

Markstrom with retention + 2nd for NJ’s 10th overall?

Andersson for BUF’s 11th overall+one of their many forward prospects?

Having 9, 10, 11 in this draft could allow CGY to land a core for the team going forward. Iginla, Catton, Buium + the prospect from Buffalo. I’m thinking they could rebuild through one draft the way Dallas did with the Heiskanen/Robertson/Otter draft.

They should try and get some more high picks absolutely. Right now with the core of the team they’re going nowhere and they don’t have the best prospect pool anyways.

If they trade away markstrom that finally makes room for Dustin wolf who is ready to finally get a chance in the NHL

 

[FLAMESFAN]

They should try and get some more high picks absolutely. Right now with the core of the team they’re going nowhere and they don’t have the best prospect pool anyways.

If they trade away markstrom that finally makes room for Dustin wolf who is ready to finally get a chance in the NHL

But trading away everyone for picks leaves Wolf out to hang. Would you want to let your young future goalie get shelled every night?
I think it'll be Markstrom traded, and maybe A UFA winger closer to the TDL

 

[FerrisRox]

No, not al all. Never do anything like that. I doubt Habs are trading down. They very high on Lindstrom. Certainly not going to pass on him for lousy 28th in draft with no depth.

It's like I told Habs fans. If that's Guy Lafleur's son, with Ignila skill set. are you interested in acquring him?

First of all, it's Iginla, and secondly, the notion that the bloodlines of a prospect somehow "puts pressure" on a General Manager is just silly.

This kind is the kind of nonsense only fans come up with.

Would I be interested in acquiring Guy Lafleur's son, if he was just as talented? Sure, of course. But so would anyone, there wouldn't be "pressure" on Montreal to get this kid. You are being hilariously hyperbolic pretending you know that he won't get past #5 or that Conroy is facing "pressure" to acquire him.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

First of all, it's Iginla, and secondly, the notion that the bloodlines of a prospect somehow "puts pressure" on a General Manager is just silly.

This kind is the kind of nonsense only fans come up with.

Would be interested in acquiring Guy Lafleur's son, if he was just as talented? Sure, of course. But so would anyone, there wouldn't be "pressure" on Montreal to get this kid. You are being hilariously hyperbolic pretending you know that he won't get past #5 or that Conroy is facing "pressure" to acquire him.

Thank you. At least other fans notice this. We've been dealing with it for months, and by multiple posters from that team.

 

[FerrisRox]

Thank you. At least other fans notice this. We've been dealing with it for months, and by multiple posters from that team.

There is a "lunatic fringe" in the Canadiens fanbase that come to the main boards with ridiculous takes. I assure you, he doesn't speak for the fanbase and his takes are rejected there just as they are here.

 

[bert]

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CGY has some nice pieces on their roster. The Devils and Sabres have stated that their picks (10 and 11 respectively) are in play.

With that in mind, what sorts of moves could CGY make to acquire those picks?

Markstrom with retention + 2nd for NJ’s 10th overall?

Andersson for BUF’s 11th overall+one of their many forward prospects?

Having 9, 10, 11 in this draft could allow CGY to land a core for the team going forward. Iginla, Catton, Buium + the prospect from Buffalo. I’m thinking they could rebuild through one draft the way Dallas did with the Heiskanen/Robertson/Otter draft.

Are Calgary fans aware that Markstrom is 34 years old? I truly wonder if you guys are cognisent of this fact.