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Proposal: CGY makes moves to acquire 10 and 11
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Cancuks
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This site and its posters are ridiculous for overvaluing draft picks. The 10th overall pick does not have as much value as you think it does. Look at the past 20 years and you have maybe 3 all star level players. The rest end up being busts, 4th liners, or AHLers.
Ledge And Dairy
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Montreal is confirmed going to take him? Thank god that's decided. Now we don't have to worry about being forced to take him at #9
Not to mention that this haul for 2 very good current NHLers just isn't all that great in the first place and even a rebuilding team like calgary needs to keep it's cre players like Kadri but especially Andersson who is on an extremely friendly contract.
Now if the Sabers threw in Savoie/Kulich now the flames be more interested....maybe.
HuGort
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Doubt it. He said Utah is high on Ignila. But I doubt Habs trade down. Interview with Lindstrom went well. The 28th definitely won't do it. He said lot of pressure on Conroy to get Ignila.
He said talking to teams at combine Teddy Stiga coming on. Habs draft 26 also. I am hoping he's there. Hutson he said won't slide like his brother. Many teams see their mistake now. He could slip into first round.
Forge
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I wouldn't do it, not without being persuaded with a little something else, but again, I understand why you would. Based on puckpedia, this would value Markstrom around pick 17/18. That's a touch high for me. Like if we had a pick 17 and were trading it for Markstrom, I'd probably want something else, but it's not a breaking point for me. There's something to be negotiated there.
If you go by a recent trade when Arizona moved up for Geekie, that would value markstrom at 2 early second round picks which would roughly be in line with pick 23 (Hello Toronto pick!). And I do think that's reasonable before adjusting for two of the picks being slightly off from that trade (we are talking picks 10 and 28 here as opposed to 11 and 27).
I think there are better ways to come to that kind of trade value for Markstrom than giving pick 10, but at least I understand it if they did it.
Nanuuk
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Way too much. If Jersey wants to get a #1 goalie it is going to cost them. Otherwise there are other fish in the sea.
Nowhere close to confirmed. More likely Lindstrom or Demidov since 2 Dmen are likely being taken in the top 5
Ledge And Dairy
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I know, that user has made made infinite posts trying to convince Calgary fans they should trade up to #5 for Iginla when we are likely better off having him go before we pick. We need help at every position but wing. Trading up to 5 for a winger that might switch to center is moronic when every other player going between 5 and 10 is a center or defenseman
Name two. How about this, Calgary fans are the new Toronto fans. See anyone can paint with broad brushstrokes. Do you rate every group but he most extreme among them and assume they have a hive mind?
Beerz
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If Kadri had a contract I liked better I'd have no problem throwing in a prospect of that caliber but 38 or 39 yr old Kadri doesn't sound appealing.
I'd rather trade with Minny, get Gus, swap 1sts and get Nygard
But 10th should not be traded. The 28th is not worth it
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tsujimoto74
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Andersson made sense as a target before the Sabres got Byram, but he doesn’t now—it’d be too many of the same type of defenseman. Easy no.
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Both Skinner and Kadri are good players with bad contracts. The only thing that would prevent this trade is Skinner’s NMC from a value standpoint. Kadri’s contract will be rough his last two years seeing as his style of player rarely lasts into their late 30’s.
Kadri brings a lot more to the table than Skinner but I agree that he will fade quickly when it happens.
+1 for the Habs fans then.
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Both deals favour Calgary, but that NJ one is laughable. I doubt Markstrom fetches anything close to that. I wouldn't give up a 1st for him, let alone early 1st.
I get that you're trying to pump up the value of your pick. It won't work. Prospect 3 or 4 to 13 are interchangeable. I'd actually prefer Catton personally.
This is exactly my thinking for why CGY should make moves this year. Having picks 9 through 11 in this years draft could be like having 3 picks in the top 7 of other draft classes.
This draft is a tier system, not ranking. Celebrini is the first tier
Levshunov, Demidov, Lindstrom, Silayev are the second
Then Iginla, Catton, Dickinson, Buium, Parekh + are in the third. You could make a legit argument for each of these guys in this third tier to be ranked higher than others in this tier. Grabbing three of them would be huge.
I get you are trying to denigrate what you don’t like (as if any of this is relevant to reality but I digress) but it won’t work. NHL teams are very sophisticated and there is no way they have 10 prospects as interchangeable and the comparison isn’t number three versus 13. The question is where is the falloff in the draft to any individual team. That varies.
It's clear you don't know much about hockey from multiple posts. I'll just assume you don't know much about prospects either. There's virtually no difference in the potential of Catton, Iginla, Yakemchuk and Lindstrom. I'll go ahead and assume you've seen none of them and don't know anything about it. I'd have Catton at the head of that group, but the difference is nothing.
Sure I don’t. But keep presuming what other people do and don’t know. I’m sure that will get you far in life and I’m sure you talk to other people like that face to face.
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