Proposal: CGY makes moves to acquire 10 and 11

[EK392000]

CGY has some nice pieces on their roster. The Devils and Sabres have stated that their picks (10 and 11 respectively) are in play.

With that in mind, what sorts of moves could CGY make to acquire those picks?

Markstrom with retention + 2nd for NJ’s 10th overall?

Andersson for BUF’s 11th overall+one of their many forward prospects?

Having 9, 10, 11 in this draft could allow CGY to land a core for the team going forward. Iginla, Catton, Buium + the prospect from Buffalo. I’m thinking they could rebuild through one draft the way Dallas did with the Heiskanen/Robertson/Otter draft.

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[super6646]

Andersson deal is realistic, but there isn't a chance in hell Jersey gives up a 10th for Marky imo regardless of the retention or picks added (unless its half our draft).

 

[Neutrinos]

Sabres <-- Kadri, Andersson

Flames <-- #11, Skinner, Rosen


If Calgary is rebuilding, they may as well swap 5 years of Kadri for 3 years of Skinner

If Buffalo is looking to contend, Kadri gives their lineup a significant upgrade down the middle

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

Sabres <-- Kadri, Andersson

Flames <-- #11, Skinner, Rosen


If Calgary is rebuilding, they may as well swap 5 years of Kadri for 3 years of Skinner

If Buffalo is looking to contend, Kadri gives their lineup a significant upgrade down the middle

Looks good except good luck getting Jeff to waive for anywhere not Toronto. He wants to stay close to home, allegedly a big reason he reupped in Buffalo. Otherwise, great offer assuming retainment on Kadri.

 

[Fjordy]

Sabres <-- Kadri, Andersson

Flames <-- #11, Skinner, Rosen


If Calgary is rebuilding, they may as well swap 5 years of Kadri for 3 years of Skinner

If Buffalo is looking to contend, Kadri gives their lineup a significant upgrade down the middle

I'd prefer Coleman instead Kadri.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

It would take A LOT for New Jersey to move #10 to Calgary. If Calgary wants that pick, Fitzgerald is likely asking for the below in return:

- Markstrom - 50% retained
- Blake Coleman - 50% retained
- 28th overall

Even that might not be enough to get the 10th pick.

 

[HockeyVirus]

CGY has some nice pieces on their roster. The Devils and Sabres have stated that their picks (10 and 11 respectively) are in play.

With that in mind, what sorts of moves could CGY make to acquire those picks?

Markstrom with retention + 2nd for NJ’s 10th overall?

Andersson for BUF’s 11th overall+one of their many forward prospects?

Having 9, 10, 11 in this draft could allow CGY to land a core for the team going forward. Iginla, Catton, Buium + the prospect from Buffalo. I’m thinking they could rebuild through one draft the way Dallas did with the Heiskanen/Robertson/Otter draft.

If Andersson is available the Leafs will be competitive with that. They could trade Marner for futures and then move those futures for Andersson if that is what the Flames want.

 

[Neutrinos]

Looks good except good luck getting Jeff to waive for anywhere not Toronto. He wants to stay close to home, allegedly a big reason he reupped in Buffalo. Otherwise, great offer assuming retainment on Kadri.

Let's keep it real... Skinner re-signed because the Sabres were willing to pay him 9 million a season, and his agent probably threatened to quit if he didn't accept the offer

 

[MisterT]

It would take A LOT for New Jersey to move #10 to Calgary. If Calgary wants that pick, Fitzgerald is likely asking for the below in return:

- Markstrom - 50% retained
- Blake Coleman - 50% retained
- 28th overall

Even that might not be enough to get the 10th pick.

No one would pay that for #10 in this draft class. Retention x2 is a stupid ask and I strongly doubt Fitzgerald is that stupid.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

It would take A LOT for New Jersey to move #10 to Calgary. If Calgary wants that pick, Fitzgerald is likely asking for the below in return:

- Markstrom - 50% retained
- Blake Coleman - 50% retained
- 28th overall

Even that might not be enough to get the 10th pick.

I think retention would only be needed on Markstrom. That trade would significantly improve NJ.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

It would take A LOT for New Jersey to move #10 to Calgary. If Calgary wants that pick, Fitzgerald is likely asking for the below in return:

- Markstrom - 50% retained
- Blake Coleman - 50% retained
- 28th overall

Even that might not be enough to get the 10th pick.

NJ fans are the new Habs fans

 

[EK392000]

Andersson deal is realistic, but there isn't a chance in hell Jersey gives up a 10th for Marky imo regardless of the retention or picks added (unless it’s half our draft).

Clock isn’t ticking in Jersey for them to be in a rush to trade the 10th pick but I feel like they’d consider consider Markstrom at 50% + 28th overall for 10th overall.

 

[blankall]

Sabres <-- Kadri, Andersson

Flames <-- #11, Skinner, Rosen


If Calgary is rebuilding, they may as well swap 5 years of Kadri for 3 years of Skinner

If Buffalo is looking to contend, Kadri gives their lineup a significant upgrade down the middle

Except that Kadri is good and has a great influence on the youth. Skinner is also making more money. $27 million total vs. $35 million. Pretty similar numbers. Calgary's not doing that.

As you state Kadri is a "significant upgrade down the middle". He plays a playoff style game. He's in demand. Whoever takes him on, does so knowing the last couple of years could be bad, but it's an overall wash. Skinner is a cap dump now.

 

[Forge]

CGY has some nice pieces on their roster. The Devils and Sabres have stated that their picks (10 and 11 respectively) are in play.

With that in mind, what sorts of moves could CGY make to acquire those picks?

Markstrom with retention + 2nd for NJ’s 10th overall?

10 for Markstrom + 28 is when a deal starts to make sense for me value wise. I wouldn't do it if I were the devils, but I think you can at least support the value to some degree. I would require a bit more oomph in the offer to really start to consider it.

Ultimately, I do not think they are going to move 10 for Markstrom. Very much an outlier return. But there are avenues it can go down where at least the value is okay.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

No one would pay that for #10 in this draft class. Retention x2 is a stupid ask and I strongly doubt Fitzgerald is that stupid.

I think retention would only be needed on Markstrom. That trade would significantly improve NJ.

NJ fans are the new Habs fans

Never once said Conroy would accept that offer - just saying that's likely what Fitzgerald would ask for if Calgary called asking for the 10th pick.

Clock isn’t ticking in Jersey for them to be in a rush to trade the 10th pick but I feel like they’d consider consider Markstrom at 50% + 28th overall for 10th overall.

Don't think New Jersey would consider that at all.

The gap in value between the 10th pick and the 28th pick is massive. A 35 year old goaltender, albeit a good one, is not nearly enough value for NJ to move down 18 spots in Round 1.

As you said, the clock isn't ticking in NJ. Markstrom will not be the goalie that is going to be winning the Devils Stanley Cups. Markstrom could be the goalie to bridge them over for a couple years until they find that goalie.

Not at all worth giving up the 10th pick for a short term goaltending solution.

 

[FerrisRox]

If Andersson is available the Leafs will be competitive with that. They could trade Marner for futures and then move those futures for Andersson if that is what the Flames want.

What team is giving up futures for Marner?

What team has room to add a $10+ winger 12 months from free agency?

And not only are they going to take on all that salary, but they are also going to surrender "futures" to do it?

What team would do this, and why does Marner waive his NMC to go there?

 

[HockeyVirus]

What team is giving up futures for Marner?

What team has room to add a $10+ winger 12 months from free agency?

And not only are they going to take on all that salary, but they are also going to surrender "futures" to do it?

What team would do this, and why does Marner waive his NMC to go there?

I am not an insider, but Marner will have quite a few teams heavily interested.

 

[EK392000]

The gap in value between the 10th pick and the 28th pick is massive. A 35 year old goaltender, albeit a good one, is not nearly enough value for NJ to move down 18 spots in Round 1.

As you said, the clock isn't ticking in NJ. Markstrom will not be the goalie that is going to be winning the Devils Stanley Cups. Markstrom could be the goalie to bridge them over for a couple years until they find that goalie.

Not at all worth giving up the 10th pick for a short term goaltending solution.

Fair enough. Do you think there could be a deal there at all?

Coleman + Markstrom + 28th for 10th?

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Never once said Conroy would accept that offer - just saying that's likely what Fitzgerald would ask for if Calgary called asking for the 10th pick.

I don't think it's Conroy who's calling.....

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Fair enough. Do you think there could be a deal there at all?

Coleman + Markstrom + 28th for 10th?

I don't think there is a deal to be had between CGY and NJ that includes 10th overall - but this package would at least have the Devils thinking. If there could be some significant retention on those players, then I do think there is really something for NJ to consider.

At the end of the day, I think NJ will either keep the 10th pick, or use it in a trade for a younger asset that is under team control for a number of years. Someone like Robert Thomas or something. (Not saying STL would do this!)

I don't think it's Conroy who's calling.....

Then why the heck would NJ be calling Calgary about trading them the 10th pick? The literal title of this thread says "CGY making moves to acquire 10 and 11"

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Sabres <-- Kadri, Andersson

Flames <-- #11, Skinner, Rosen


If Calgary is rebuilding, they may as well swap 5 years of Kadri for 3 years of Skinner

If Buffalo is looking to contend, Kadri gives their lineup a significant upgrade down the middle

Ya, no way is Calgary trading Kadri for Skinner, and no way is Skinner waiving his NMC to go to Calgary.

I actually like this one with those two guys removed, though.

Calgary: Andersson.

Sabres: 11th and Rosen.

Feels like Sabres could then move one of their many LD at some point.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Then why the heck would NJ be calling Calgary about trading them the 10th pick? The literal title of this thread says "CGY making moves to acquire 10 and 11"

It doesn't matter what the thread is called. Everyone knows it's Fitz that keeps calling and asking for Markstrom. He's got it on speed dial.

 

[HuGort]

CGY has some nice pieces on their roster. The Devils and Sabres have stated that their picks (10 and 11 respectively) are in play.

With that in mind, what sorts of moves could CGY make to acquire those picks?

Markstrom with retention + 2nd for NJ’s 10th overall?

Andersson for BUF’s 11th overall+one of their many forward prospects?

Having 9, 10, 11 in this draft could allow CGY to land a core for the team going forward. Iginla, Catton, Buium + the prospect from Buffalo. I’m thinking they could rebuild through one draft the way Dallas did with the Heiskanen/Robertson/Otter draft.

A lot of pressure for Conroy to get Iginla. Bukala was on Marek today. Said he's not getting past 5. Expect Calgary to offer 28 to switch picks with Montreal.

 

[Torts]

10 for Markstrom + 28 is when a deal starts to make sense for me value wise. I wouldn't do it if I were the devils, but I think you can at least support the value to some degree. I would require a bit more oomph in the offer to really start to consider it.

Ultimately, I do not think they are going to move 10 for Markstrom. Very much an outlier return. But there are avenues it can go down where at least the value is okay.

As a Devils fan I'd be ok with Markstrom + 28 for 10. Keeps us in the first round and improves goaltending.

 

[Neutrinos]

Except that Kadri is good and has a great influence on the youth. Skinner is also making more money. $27 million total vs. $35 million. Pretty similar numbers. Calgary's not doing that.

As you state Kadri is a "significant upgrade down the middle". He plays a playoff style game. He's in demand. Whoever takes him on, does so knowing the last couple of years could be bad, but it's an overall wash. Skinner is a cap dump now.

So, Buffalo adds a 2nd... ?