Waived: [CGY] Ilya Solovyov waived by the Flames

[InfinityIggy]

lol I always love the overreactions to players getting waived. Ruzicka and Phillips were sure fire top 6 guys. Even Valimaki didn’t hurt that much.

In fairness Ruzicka had something if only he’d uh… kept it on the rails.

 

[Bond]

In fairness Ruzicka had something if only he’d uh… kept it on the rails.

That was his entire issue though. If he put in the effort he needed to every game then he would be a top 6 guy. It went back to his draft profile of being wildly inconsistent.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Solo will be an NHL defenseman, but hes not a regular yet. Better to play lots of minutes in the AHL vs limited NHL minutes. I think Hanley gets the Stone treatment on the roster, which I think he would be fine with. Barrie isnt needed but it wouldnt shock me for the Flames to sign him and not roll too many new defensemen in front of young goalies. Dont agree with it but it is what it is.

 

[DJJones]

lol I always love the overreactions to players getting waived. Ruzicka and Phillips were sure fire top 6 guys. Even Valimaki didn’t hurt that much.

I mean I'd love to have Valimaki back right now. That was a huge blunder.

Ruzicka I'm guessing they knew he was partying to much

 

[Lunatik]

lol I always love the overreactions to players getting waived. Ruzicka and Phillips were sure fire top 6 guys. Even Valimaki didn’t hurt that much.

I'm the only person that seems to care, and usually I don't give a shit when guys are waived and I'm teh voice of reason. I am VERY high on Solo and for a rebuilding team to potentially toss him away for nothing in favor of plugs like Tinordi and Hanley is just plain stupid in my opinion. He's been a stabilizing presence for the Wranglers the last 2 years and is essentially a Belarusian Tanev in the making and has great rapport and communication with Wolf.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Solo is a 6/7 right now with occasional flashes of more. But those flashes are just that, flashes. Unless he goes to the AHL to develop those flashes to be more of an occasional or semi frequent occurrence at the NHL level, I agree that many teams have a guy like that.

IMO both you and @Lunatik are correct, but Solo is sitting solidly in between both your opinions. Solo is at a calibre most other teams have, but Solo has also shown occasional flashes of potential that other players at that calibre don't really show. Clear upgrade wise, I agree he is not that on the Flames, but the Flames also have so many more guys that are 6/7 calibre right now. Solo could potentially be a clear upgrade on another team's bottom pairing, so I can see why Luna is concerned.

Even if we lose Solo, we have similar style guys in Kuznetsov, Grushnikov, Hurtig, Jurmo etc. But none quite at the clear 6/7 level as Solo and none have sorta shown something extra at the big club level like Solo occasionally has. I kinda understand the logic of developing Solo so he returns as a 4/5 calibre guy and maybe a solid #4. But I totally get the concerns on risk and I feel like he won't be able to accomplish that on limited minutes at the NHL level.

Others might not be worried even if such a calibre of player is claimed, but IMO I'd rather not lose Solo.

Bad last night... 1 game sample sizes aren't evidence of anything besides a lack of a legitimate argument.

I've watched the kid play more than 200 professional games. He's better now than plugs like Tinordi who only have NHL jobs to get punched in the face. He's much better than you are giving him credit for.

Again I do see the potential. For example he did make a couple really nice passes last night but overall his game was quite poor. It will take him time to reach that potential but I do think he has low end #4, high end #5 potential. Brenden Dillon may be a good example; strong defensively, commanding presence physically, but not much in terms of offense, ideally a 3rd pair guy on a contender but can absolutely play 2nd pair minutes if he needs to.

I think Solo will eventually be a regular NHLer but the teams that would take him to bet on his future generally have their own similar caliber and style prospects (ie Anaheim has Vaakanainen and LaCombe). And the teams that are up against the cap and competing aren't exactly in the market for potential 2-3 years down the line to add to their top 7. They are looking for surefire guys who they know can step in and play (ie Mike Reilly getting claimed last year). I definitely don't want to lose him to waivers either but I just find it quite unlikely he is claimed. Even if he is he will probably be replaced on waivers again and we can just take him back and send him directly to the minors.

Tinordi is trash and he should not make the Flames roster, I am not debating that. There is a reason he is called Tank Commander Tinordi. However someone like Hanley can sit out for a month and just slide into a game at any point and still be fairly effective. You never have to worry about stinting his development. That is what is nice about a plug.

As of right now we really don't know the situation with Bahl and bean but it is a pretty safe bet that Barrie will get signed. I think it's safe to say all of Weegar, Andersson, Miromanov, and Pachal have made the final cut too. I would also say Grushnikov and Brzustewicz have outperformed Solovyov so far this preseason. So if we are keeping anyone up while players are injured it should be of those 2 specifically.