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I mean, at this point it’s pretty much moot, what with only a handful of like 49-ish games remaining.

I’m wondering, and don’t skin me for this, if the time is right for the Sharks to maybe step in and buy low on MichFRAUD? Sure, he has the defensive awareness of an English Muffin, and he’s a glorified albino Smurf on skates, but he could take Goodrow’s place on the 3rd line and be just as minus as him, maybe even more minus. Maybe we take a flier (pun intended, you’re welcome, you can use that one) on him? And maybe Warso can squeeze some potential out of him, even tho he's almost 30yrs old and Flyers have almost certainly given up on him after this stretch (and their current roster), and will totally go full Sabres by the deadline.

Sharks: Goodrow, Pohlkamp, 2025 2nd (Avs)
Flyers: Michkov (w/ 40% retention), 2025 1st (lottery protected - rolls over to 2026 unprotected)

It’s risky cause I like Pohlkamp, and the Avs second is nice. But if they throw in a first it’s probably worth it….

:sarcasm: - in case you weren’t sure, no way we take MichFRAUD, he sucks - :neener:
 
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Agreed i think with an exception to a few outliers everyone was cautiously optimistic. Then after he began to dazzle game after game is when the hype train left the station.

This is the first time probably since Crosby/ Ovie where I’m actively doing everything I can to see a player play. I can’t say I feel the same way about Bedard like I was curious to see what the hype was about but I was never really like wow I have to see him play again
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Bedard gives off Matthews energy. I don’t see the drive in him to become one of the greatest.
 
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I don't see how it can ever happen but I'd dearly love to see Celebrini with Karlsson while he's still any good. They would absolutely Globetrotter teams.
 
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karltonian said:
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100% agreed. He's worth the watch alone.

While all signs point in an amazing direction, my long term concern with Celebrini is how much headroom he has for further improvement.
  • Physical development. He's definitely not fully matured as a human. I think we can expect him to develop some strength, and hopefully some even more explosiveness (ala Nate MacK) through approx 23-ish. However, his physical development won't be as obvious as, say, Will Smith's, so it's not like his upside is massive here.
  • Skills. Hopefully he gets even better at, e.g., a variety of shot releases, puck control, faceoffs, shootouts/breakaways. For something like faceoffs, he could go from ~50% to 55% and be an NHL leader if he puts in the effort, probably. He's not likely to become as good a goal scorer as Matthews but he can certainly improve his shot accuracy, selection, and finish on breakways/SO's.
  • Skating. He's already a very solid skater and has lots of quick-burst explosiveness, but there are definitely areas he could improve his edgework to go from excellent to NHL/world-elite. However, I'm not sure this will be a huge jump.
  • Hockey sense, decision making, and all around responsible play: he's starting at a pretty high base here. There will be improvement, but it might be less than other rookies/18yo's. If he can push this into the stratosphere then we will see him become truly Crosby-lite or better, and his ppg will become 1.3-1.5ppg like the very best in the league.
  • Effort/compete. There's not much more he can put in here. He doesn't take games off. What that means is "wysiwyg", we're not likely to see Macklin turn on another otherworldly gear in the playoffs, for example.
So there's massive upside, but the flat/downside case for Mack - meaning, we would get a great 6-10 years but maybe like Tavares his game stabilizes and then peters out - would be:
  • Only a bit more physical development
  • Skills get better but he doesn't reach the MacKinnon-level
  • Skating gets a little better but he's mostly close to finished form
  • Hockey sense, decision making, responsible play gets better and puts him in Selke territory but he doesn't break through to Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Barkov/Bergeron levels
  • Effort/compete is already maxed so you see his ability to keep up slowly erode as his maxed body and maxed effort leads to nagging injuries.
There's every reason to believe the upside scenario that he becomes a more defensively minded, perhaps slightly less dangerous/explosive MacKinnon, which is a cornerstone piece that could definitely lead us to a cup. There's also a little worry that he's starting close to max and so there's not a massive jump to come from here. His young age tips me toward optimism but I wanted to lay out the concern case.
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The biggest thing is getting more dynamic teammates. He's been centering Kovalenko (Middle 9 winger) and Toffoli (towards the bottom of 2Wers). He'll still improve. I could see him a as 100-120 pt two way center at his peak, but that will depend on how good his linemates are.
 
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