Confirmed with Link: CDH and Saarela to CHI for Forsling and Anton Forsberg

[My Special Purpose]

Honestly other than Haula/Turris/Kilorn/Palat/Johnson, I don't see lot of available options around the league.

I'm sure you're right. Why even try.

 

[Lempo]

Emotionally it sucks because CDH is a good guy who played hard and pretty well for us.

That being said, as a high-paid member of our defensive group and coming off major surgery he should have understood that a trade was a possibility. This is the NHL, for god's sake. He just saw Rask get traded 18 months into a 6-year contract.

This is what he literally signed up for:

11. It is mutually agreed that the Club shall have the right to Assign or to Loan this SPC, and the Player agrees to accept and be bound by such Assignment or Loan, and will faithfully perform and carry out this SPC with the same purpose and effect as if it had been entered into by the Player and such other club.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Like I said: the Dundon Era will be tough on the feels.

Nothing personal, Cal. It's business.

It'll be interesting to see how being all business will pan out.

 

[Roboturner913]

Yes, but there aren't much worse things than the lake effect snow drifts in Chicago and the need to shovel driveways for anyone with ****ed up shoulders

You think an NHL player making $4 million a year is shoveling his own driveway?

Hell I make $50,000 a year and even I can afford to throw a $20 at the kid down the street to take care of that **** for me

 

[Roboturner913]

This is what he literally signed up for:

11. It is mutually agreed that the Club shall have the right to Assign or to Loan this SPC, and the Player agrees to accept and be bound by such Assignment or Loan, and will faithfully perform and carry out this SPC with the same purpose and effect as if it had been entered into by the Player and such other club.

It's not so much that it's unethical or anything. It's just one of those things that teams don't generally do. If I was CDH, I'd be frustrated, even if I understood it was a business decision that had to be made.

 

[Lempo]

You think an NHL player making $4 million a year is shoveling his own driveway?

Hell I make $50,000 a year and even I can afford to throw a $20 at the kid down the street to take care of that **** for me

He uses the snow as an excuse to buy a ****ing luxury garden tractor. The hockey players use their money on mowers and plow.

 

[Novacane]

My counter to saying it’s bad UFA mojo:
Add an NMC/NTC to your contract and take a pay cut if you don’t want to be traded

Everyone has the same risk if it’s not in the contract

 

[tarheelhockey]

He uses the snow as an excuse to buy a ****ing luxury garden tractor. The hockey players use their money on mowers and plow.

It's all fun and games till a career-ending snow blower accident.

 

[Lempo]

It's not so much that it's unethical or anything. It's just one of those things that teams don't generally do. If I was CDH, I'd be frustrated, even if I understood it was a business decision that had to be made.

Yes. But at the same time, a pro sportsman gets compensated to insane extent for playing for a league where the transferability of the contracts is of essence.

I do want to understand the felt ill in forced change in workplace, environment and people you work with but at the same I kind of want to tell him to come pack plastic-coated steel for living while I come play hockey for 5 mil per year.

 

[Roboturner913]

Yes. But at the same time, a pro sportsman gets compensated to insane extent for playing for a league where the transferability of the contracts is of essence.

I do want to understand the felt ill in forced change in workplace, environment and people you work with but at the same I kind of want to tell him to come pack plastic-coated steel for living while I come play hockey for 5 mil per year.

Well, yeah.

You have to wrap your head around another reality to get there. I guess that's why I like science fiction so much, suspension of disbelief is easy for me

I was so poor for so long, these days I'm making a slightly-below average income for my area and I feel like the richest man on the block

 

[Sens1Canes2]

and he's probably one hard check away from being out all of next year.

So many red flags with a guy like that who has seriously messed up each of his shoulders on separate occasions in such a short time. Given the importance we place on defense, we really can't afford to take that kind of risk in going into next year when we can put that salary to better use and just spend time getting guys like Bean and Fleury ready to play from Day 1

You know this is the same argument as the Skinner one hit away from retirement discussion right.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I feel bad for CDH the man, I really do. It's a tough deal for him.

But it's not like he got sent to Ottawa or something. There are worse things than living/playing in Chicago.

Well to be fair, he’d be at home so it wouldn’t be so bad. He’d at least be able to venture to the southern part of the city without putting on body armor.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

You know this is the same argument as the Skinner one hit away from retirement discussion right.

Actually, surgically reconstructed shoulders are different, and less random, and worse in general (from a pure "ability to play" perspective). And he's got two of them.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Main reason I don’t like the deal. Not a fan of trading a guy a year after he signs a four year deal.

Fair point, and also a concern I have with this deal. Could mean UFAs are going to be more insistent on NTCs, although most of them already are.

 

[dogbazinho]

I've come to grips with the difference in return. It's still a bit troubling that we traded a recent UFA, that turned down a better off, and one that is injured. We should be careful we don't build a reputation.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Actually, surgically reconstructed shoulders are different, and less random, and worse in general. And he's got two of them.

Ok doctor. I’ll defer to you. However, all I’m saying is....he’ll be fine. So will Kevin Durant and so will Klay Thompson. Bodies heal.

I get the deal. I do. It just sucks, mostly because I think what Faulk brings to the table is mostly overrated. And I think the league thinks so too, given the inability to move him for a year and a half.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You know this is the same argument as the Skinner one hit away from retirement discussion right.

It is, and it isn’t. Concussions aren’t a chronic injury. Shoulders certainly can be, especially if a recent surgery didn’t go as well as you might have hoped.

 

[bleedgreen]

We didn’t trade him because of the shoulders. Gimme a break. He only has three years left and he isn’t very expensive. We weren’t going to be crushed by the weight of his deal.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

We didn’t trade him because of the shoulders. Gimme a break. He only has three years left and he isn’t very expensive. We weren’t going to be crushed by the weight of his deal.

You are going to need a prescription for Valium if this is your reaction to losing a #4 D-man.

 

[tarheelhockey]

We didn’t trade him because of the shoulders. Gimme a break. He only has three years left and he isn’t very expensive. We weren’t going to be crushed by the weight of his deal.

It’s not exactly an outlandish theory that a guy who got traded immediately after major surgery was traded because of injury concerns.

It’s not even the first time this calendar year we’ve seen it happen.

 

[bleedgreen]

You are going to need a prescription for Valium if this is your reaction to losing a #4 D-man.

What was my reaction? I didn’t realize I was reacting with passion or vitriol. Or are all reactions different from your own considered a freak out? I get why we did it, I don’t need to make up reasons for it. The rest of us are allowed to have thoughts on the matter. Maybe you’re thinking of one of the others?

I do think he played higher than his four ranking many nights. Losing him is not too different from losing Mcbackup. Losing a very calming influence.

 

[bleedgreen]

It’s not exactly an outlandish theory that a guy who got traded immediately after major surgery was traded because of injury concerns.

It’s not even the first time this calendar year we’ve seen it happen.

There are other reasons for the trade and they’ve all already been gone over. This injury thing is something only we talk about, that came from us and you never hear it anywhere else.

“Well I had a shoulder surgery once and it’s no joke....we should consider the options” has turned into an actual conversation about being the reason. Teams have never hesitated from letting it be known that’s a concern, you always hear rumblings about it. Other than here no one is saying we did it because of that.

 

[FreshSeabass]

I just read they chose to grab forsberg on recommendation of Paul Schonfelder the our minor league goalie coach for us. Said he worked with him in the past.

 

[Chrispy]

Fair point, and also a concern I have with this deal. Could mean UFAs are going to be more insistent on NTCs, although most of them already are.

I expect this if they go after a UFA this summer. It’s the only way they have to insure they will stay (or go somewhere they want.)

Also wouldn’t surprise me if that’s an issue for the Borg after Skinner.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There are other reasons for the trade and they’ve all already been gone over. This injury thing is something only we talk about, that came from us and you never hear it anywhere else.

“Well I had a shoulder surgery once and it’s no joke....we should consider the options” has turned into an actual conversation about being the reason. Teams have never hesitated from letting it be known that’s a concern, you always hear rumblings about it. Other than here no one is saying we did it because of that.

I mean, it’s not like we have documentary evidence of how this all played out. Anyone talking about it at all is doing so out of their asses. Including reporters who suddenly have inside scoops, despite all having completely missed this story as it developed.

All we can do is evaluate the circumstantial evidence, one large piece of which is that this player is now on his 4th shoulder injury at age 26 and was projected (not optimistically self projected, but projected by the team itself) to be out until close to Christmas.