Confirmed with Link: CDH and Saarela to CHI for Forsling and Anton Forsberg

[zman77]

Is he not coming off of double hip surgery?

I don’t see it.

Agreed Cardiac Jerks.
Oilers have ruined a top prospect again.
The hip surgery would concern me at 20 years old.
I would be looking within the 'Canes organization before bringing in Puliju.

 

[Negan4Coach]

(Brain Trust)- “Uh, sir, your bizarre moves last summer not only failed to sink the team, it somehow improved it to the point of making the ECH. What do you have planned this summer?”

Dundon: “Hold my beer...”

No really, these past two moves are weird. if the team were rebuilding, sure. But taking on cap for a 1st rounder? Then shipping out solid D and a nice prospect for nothing? Not a great look when you should be adding to a really solid team, and they know precisely what they need to add.

Unless of course Dr Isbell at Raleigh Orthopedic called Dundon and was like “Yikes” in regards to CDH’s shoulder.Those can be a real bitch to fix sometimes. But then why would Chicago agree to it?

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

I think there is a good chance that CDH not being happy about being 5th in TOI/g had something to do with it.
I think the injury had everything to do with the return

As for Saarela - I think as long as Rod is the coach he was not getting another shot

 

[Chrispy]

I think there is a good chance that CDH not being happy about being 5th in TOI/g had something to do with it.
I think the injury had everything to do with the return

As for Saarela - I think as long as Rod is the coach he was not getting another shot

Saarela isn't much more than another dart. A still unproven prospect, albeit a prospect at a higher level than junior.

But after watching how the franchise valued darts over the weekend, it's completely incongruous to throw one away like this, especially given that Saarela has already accomplished more than most of the draft picks this weekend ever will.

 

[Chrispy]

What should be the return for a 4/5 defenseman with two bum shoulders who doesnt play the Powerplay and gets paid almost 5 million a year?

Look what Pittsburgh got for Maata.

The market is what it is. Cap Space is at a premium. If you want somebody help you fee up cap space, it doesnt come for free.

We should know this

1) de Haan would have been top 4 all year for almost any team other than this one. He was top 4 most of the year for this team even with the depth.
2) $4.55M for a top 4 D is not unreasonable. Unless you have an ELC player to put there, that's a perfectly fine number for a top 4 D.
3) Suddenly the shoulder that showed no symptoms all season is a bum shoulder? I understand risk of recovering from this surgery, but 2 bum shoulders is overselling it.

There would be more of a return somewhere in the league for de Haan than a young bottom pairing NHL D and a fringe NHL goalie, especially while throwing in a prospect.

 

[Ippenator]

He may have quoted it, but I still don’t believe the Canes have a snowball’s chance in hell at Duchene. I’d love to be wrong...

Duchene is a bad player for the locker room, just like Saarela also happens to be, btw. Entitled pricks whom will not put team first for anything. So now after getting rid of one, it’s for sure better to not get another one to even a key role in the team. In Rod we trust, so Duchene will not ever be a Cane. Hopefully...

 

[spockBokk]

Duchene is a bad player for the locker room, just like Saarela also happens to be, btw. Entitled pricks whom will not put team first for anything. So now after getting rid of one, it’s for sure better to not get another one to even a key role in the team. In Rod we trust, so Duchene will not ever be a Cane. Hopefully...

Dundon has been quoted that he doesn’t mind an asshole on the team as long as they perform, but I agree he ain’t gonna pay for Duchene and Aho, much less the minute possibility of Duchene actually picking CAR over other suitors.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I think there is a good chance that CDH not being happy about being 5th in TOI/g had something to do with it.
I think the injury had everything to do with the return

As for Saarela - I think as long as Rod is the coach he was not getting another shot

CDH knew who he was signing with and was the last dman to join the fold. Not like our depth could have caught him by surprise. He simply wasn’t going to outplay the top 4.

 

[Svechhammer]

And I have to imagine this was done through the consulting of Tulsky, who might have realized it was better to just cut bait with CDH now than to try and roll him into next year with all the uncertainty that brings.

 

[Svechhammer]

Dundon has been quoted that he doesn’t mind an ******* on the team as long as they perform, but I agree he ain’t gonna pay for Duchene and Aho, much less the minute possibility of Duchene actually picking CAR over other suitors.

Oh FFS so now we're debating if we're going to sign either Duchene or Aho this summer?

We can f***ing afford both. If Duchene wants to play here, we'll f***ing sign both.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Saarela isn't much more than another dart. A still unproven prospect, albeit a prospect at a higher level than junior.

But after watching how the franchise valued darts over the weekend, it's completely incongruous to throw one away like this, especially given that Saarela has already accomplished more than most of the draft picks this weekend ever will.

Except that this dart is much closer to hitting (or missing) the dartboard and the Canes have much more insight to what he may or may not be, unlike a new draft choice. They’ve got a couple years of direct interaction with him and likely feel that he’s going to miss the board all together or maybe land on “1”.

They may end up being wrong, but I don’t see this as incongruous and he won’t be the last prospect we move on from.

 

[Svechhammer]

Except that this dart is much closer to hitting (or missing) the dartboard and the Canes have much more insight to what he may or may not be, unlike a new draft choice. They’ve got a couple years of direct interaction with him and likely feel that he’s going to miss the board all together or maybe land on “1”.

They may end up being wrong, but I don’t see this as incongruous and he won’t be the last prospect we move on from.

Its very telling that we were willing to give him up as easily as we were. Some earlier said it has strong Zykov vibes, and I can't disagree. Great scorer at the AHL level, but has fundamental issues that will cause him to struggle at the NHL level. At least we got something this time, as we just lost Z on waivers.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Whats concerning to me is that so far, this offseason has created a worse team. I don't care about being the darlings of the analytics drafting community. Dundon can want to Beane his way through the NHL, but it'll be pretty f***ing detrimental for them to follow up that season with a stinker. I'm curious to see the next move... if it's simply extending Faulk, we're f***ed.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

CDH knew who he was signing with and was the last dman to join the fold. Not like our depth could have caught him by surprise. He simply wasn’t going to outplay the top 4.

For most of the year he was the 3rd best D-man on the team.

 

[spockBokk]

Oh FFS so now we're debating if we're going to sign either Duchene or Aho this summer?

We can ****ing afford both. If Duchene wants to play here, we'll ****ing sign both.

Dude, chill.

Context.

Pls refer to my earlier posts. I don’t there there’s a chance in hell Duchene signs with CAR, nor can they afford both he and Aho. Just pointing out that Dundon doesnt care if a player is a prick or not as long as they perform on the ice.

 

[GoldiFox]

Saarela isn't much more than another dart. A still unproven prospect, albeit a prospect at a higher level than junior.

But after watching how the franchise valued darts over the weekend, it's completely incongruous to throw one away like this, especially given that Saarela has already accomplished more than most of the draft picks this weekend ever will.

Saarela just didn't ever seem like he was going to be a roster fit for the Canes. However he's a great prospect/AHLer though which means he was taking up a top-6 LW spot in the Canes AHL development program. I'd prefer Kuokkanen or Loustarinen getting those minutes as they might have a future with the Canes.

They didn't just throw Saarela away. The Canes had to pay Saarela to dump CDH's contract. All we've heard for 2 offseasons is how the Canes want to trade a top-4 D for a top-6 F but instead they ended up having to pay futures to trade their lowest-value, injured top-4 D. It's just tough to reconcile at this point without knowing what compelled them to make this move. On the high end they are clearing space to add talent. On the low end they are just balancing the books on the Marleau deal and their big offseason additions will be Anton Forsberg, Gustav Forsling, Patrick Marleau, and Mike Smith.

 

[Svechhammer]

Dude, chill.

Context.

Pls refer to my earlier posts. I don’t there there’s a chance in hell Duchene signs with CAR, nor can they afford both he and Aho. Just pointing out that Dundon doesnt care if a player is a prick or not as long as they perform on the ice.

I am chill. I'm just growing very tired of listening to the constant whining about how the sky is falling when we're still a week away from free agency starting. And yeah, if we want both, we'll afford both. This absolutely isn't an either/or.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Pretty clear I should cancel my season tickets, since there's no way we're recovering from this.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

There would be more of a return somewhere in the league for de Haan than a young bottom pairing NHL D and a fringe NHL goalie, especially while throwing in a pros

You don't know that though...

I would have thought that Minnesota could have gotten more for Nino than Rask straight up, but it's just speculation.

We don't know that the other offers were

 

[caniac247]

When i saw this come through, my jaw hit the floor. Even after sleeping on it, i still hate it. Now that might all change if a bigger move is made, but as it stands right now we got screwed. Forsberg has no trade value, dude couldn't even beat out Cam Ward. Forsling has potential, but I don't see him at this moment being better than Fleury or Bean.

And i'm seeing that Canes had to shed money, well if that is truely the case, then why did we just spend $3M on a first round pick? If we are tight money wise, then the Marleau trade is even that more dumb.

I also don't like trading a guy who took a chance on us in free agency just a year ago. What does that say to other potential free agents?

Again, I'll wait and see if the other shoe drops, but as of now, Waddell got fleeced.

Oh, if the rumor is true that we have spoken to Mike Smith and there's a high chance he signs here. Well, i'm really going to be scratching my head. Its like we made all this progress only to revert right back to where we were the last 10 years.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

zykov was the russian saarela

 

[MinJaBen]

zykov was the russian saarela

zyyrela

 

[Chrispy]

You don't know that though...

I would have thought that Minnesota could have gotten more for Nino than Rask straight up, but it's just speculation.

We don't know that the other offers were

We never saw any indication he was offered elsewhere, only that Chicago called about him and that was the final deal.

If that's truly the most value he has around the league, he has significantly more value to this team and it's poor asset management to give him up for very little.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

There’s no reason to link the returns of here deals. Even if de Haan had to go to acquire the first in the Marleau deal, that doesn’t mean this is the best value for him.

He’s hurt. He’s still a top 4 D when healthy and signed to a reasonable contract. There are plenty of cap teams who would like that for 3 years and could Ofer more than this return. Or at least wouldn’t require the addition of Saarela.

Yet, they didn't.

I find it hard to believe that the FO turned down a better package just to do Chicago a favor. It's more likely that de Haan had very slight negative value (if you think Forsberg and Forsling, in particular, are valueless) in the sense that there probably weren't many teams that would take on $4.55 mil without sending a decent amount of cap back.

Like the Skinner trade, you have to assume that the team traded the player for market value. de Haan's valuation should be treated as an internal benchmark, not an external one. Are the Canes better off keeping him, not trading him for that type of return? Let's wait a few weeks and then judge this trade in the broader context.

 

[GoldiFox]

Linked to Sara's The Athletic article this morning