CCHL2 2015/16 Season

[thehoodie]

Just checking Pointstreak for Sunday games, did you guys seriously play a 2 hour game with 13 skaters ? Those guys must have been tired

I wasn't at that game, but I did see the pointstreak game sheet, and I agree. Playing with 13 skaters is rough. I have to assume, AP's aren't keen on busing to Renfrew for a Sunday evening game.

Looking at Last nights game sheet, I see they played with 14 and won. Go figure!

 

[valleydude]

I wasn't at that game, but I did see the pointstreak game sheet, and I agree. Playing with 13 skaters is rough. I have to assume, AP's aren't keen on busing to Renfrew for a Sunday evening game.

Looking at Last nights game sheet, I see they played with 14 and won. Go figure!

Yeah, no kidding. 14 and two AP's in the linueup yesterday...and they won !!

 

[HawksFanForever]

Lost League

Yeah, no kidding. 14 and two AP's in the linueup yesterday...and they won !!

Well it looks like this new League has Back Fired in a huge way.Fan support is really down all over.Two Team have run away with the league with Casselman and Perth destroying most every team they play in the league.I can see some of these teams dropping to JR C and I do not blame them one bit.It is such a shame that a wonderful league like EOJHL that was doing well had to be done away with.

 

[valleydude]

Well it looks like this new League has Back Fired in a huge way.Fan support is really down all over.Two Team have run away with the league with Casselman and Perth destroying most every team they play in the league.I can see some of these teams dropping to JR C and I do not blame them one bit.It is such a shame that a wonderful league like EOJHL that was doing well had to be done away with.

Has anyone else heard that Kanata Jr A is moving to Renfrew ? Not sure what that would mean overall, just a rumor around town.

 

[BackBringCam]

Has anyone else heard that Kanata Jr A is moving to Renfrew ? Not sure what that would mean overall, just a rumor around town.

That's been floating for sometime, especially with Greer owning the team and being a Renfrew guy. Would want his kids playing close to home I guess

In response to your quwestion, I have not heard anything new lately

 

[jason2020]

Well it looks like this new League has Back Fired in a huge way.Fan support is really down all over.Two Team have run away with the league with Casselman and Perth destroying most every team they play in the league.I can see some of these teams dropping to JR C and I do not blame them one bit.It is such a shame that a wonderful league like EOJHL that was doing well had to be done away with.

I think people think fan support is a huge factor in jr hockey its not and no i don't think you will see many if any teams drop down.

 

[TheLastShift]

Well it looks like this new League has Back Fired in a huge way.Fan support is really down all over.Two Team have run away with the league with Casselman and Perth destroying most every team they play in the league.I can see some of these teams dropping to JR C and I do not blame them one bit.It is such a shame that a wonderful league like EOJHL that was doing well had to be done away with.

Lets be real, fan support at the "B" level is not what this league has been about since back when we had community owned teams... so if that is your criteria for saying this league has "Backfired" then you need to quit living in the past lol. We don't live in Saskatchewan where our nearest opponents are 3 hours away, there is more to do around here on a Friday night then go to a Junior B hockey game. There have been empty seats long before it became CCHL2 and we all know the arenas only fill up in the playoffs when it's the best Vs the best and you get bang for your buck!

Last year Casselman ran away with it and most nights destroyed their opponents so again... poor criteria to back up your diagnosis of this league yet again. Say what you want about the Vikings but they have done a tremendous job recruiting, they put the work in and have strong volunteers.

This year Perth joins the race to be the best, definitely helped that they had 3 teams worth of talent trying out for their team in late August (Almonte, Shawville, Perth) but hey there was no rule in place and they took advantage of a situation. They do have 7 (20 yr olds) this season and can only keep 2 next season so look for this to be their year to go for it before dropping back into the crazy pack.

Yes the crazy pack! Metcalfe (49), Ottawa West (48), Alexandria (47), Westport (45), Athens (45), Arnprior (43), being your 4th-9th place seeds at the moment. That is a tight race folks! After the top 2 teams, any of the remaining playoff bound teams right now are tooth and nail.

Definitely feel bad for the Brockville's and Prescott's of the world but with the league developing a stronger partnership with the CCHL the players will filter in.

The main goal at this level is to develop talent and move those players up to the next level. Many of the teams have done a tremendous job making this their priority over the years. The CCHL2 Prospects Game was a definite eye-opener (2-1 final) back-and forth from start to finish. Those who attended would agree that the league is doing just fine on a developmental standpoint.

120+ 98's and 99's will make the jump to Junior from HEO AAA next season, not to mention the talent at the AA and Rep B levels who always tend to surprise. Not all of these players will head right to Junior A so it's up to the CCHL2 teams to sell their product and recruit these players into their organizations.

This is the first season of a new league, if your opinion is that it has backfired then that is fine, just because it's your opinion doesn't make it the truth on any count, just makes you sound like a bitter fan of something old and dull that needed a big face-lift in order to survive.... owners don't like losing money FYI.

 

[fred]

Lets be real, fan support at the "B" level is not what this league has been about since back when we had community owned teams... so if that is your criteria for saying this league has "Backfired" then you need to quit living in the past lol. We don't live in Saskatchewan where our nearest opponents are 3 hours away, there is more to do around here on a Friday night then go to a Junior B hockey game. There have been empty seats long before it became CCHL2 and we all know the arenas only fill up in the playoffs when it's the best Vs the best and you get bang for your buck!

Last year Casselman ran away with it and most nights destroyed their opponents so again... poor criteria to back up your diagnosis of this league yet again. Say what you want about the Vikings but they have done a tremendous job recruiting, they put the work in and have strong volunteers.

This year Perth joins the race to be the best, definitely helped that they had 3 teams worth of talent trying out for their team in late August (Almonte, Shawville, Perth) but hey there was no rule in place and they took advantage of a situation. They do have 7 (20 yr olds) this season and can only keep 2 next season so look for this to be their year to go for it before dropping back into the crazy pack.

Yes the crazy pack! Metcalfe (49), Ottawa West (48), Alexandria (47), Westport (45), Athens (45), Arnprior (43), being your 4th-9th place seeds at the moment. That is a tight race folks! After the top 2 teams, any of the remaining playoff bound teams right now are tooth and nail.

Definitely feel bad for the Brockville's and Prescott's of the world but with the league developing a stronger partnership with the CCHL the players will filter in.

The main goal at this level is to develop talent and move those players up to the next level. Many of the teams have done a tremendous job making this their priority over the years. The CCHL2 Prospects Game was a definite eye-opener (2-1 final) back-and forth from start to finish. Those who attended would agree that the league is doing just fine on a developmental standpoint.

120+ 98's and 99's will make the jump to Junior from HEO AAA next season, not to mention the talent at the AA and Rep B levels who always tend to surprise. Not all of these players will head right to Junior A so it's up to the CCHL2 teams to sell their product and recruit these players into their organizations.

This is the first season of a new league, if your opinion is that it has backfired then that is fine, just because it's your opinion doesn't make it the truth on any count, just makes you sound like a bitter fan of something old and dull that needed a big face-lift in order to survive.... owners don't like losing money FYI.

I find it interesting your comment on the prospects game. I am sorry but there where players that last year in the EOJHL they would be back in Midget. Some of them should be playing Midget this year . Some look pretty bad in some games

 

[TheLastShift]

I find it interesting your comment on the prospects game. I am sorry but there where players that last year in the EOJHL they would be back in Midget. Some of them should be playing Midget this year . Some look pretty bad in some games

Well of course, "some" are pretty bad, can't debate that.

I will debate you saying if it was last year they would be back in Midget.. there were a lot more weak players skating in the 22-team EOJHL then the 16-team league today. You must be referring to the '99's because yes 100% they would have been back in Midget.

 

[valleydude]

Well of course, "some" are pretty bad, can't debate that.

I will debate you saying if it was last year they would be back in Midget.. there were a lot more weak players skating in the 22-team EOJHL then the 16-team league today. You must be referring to the '99's because yes 100% they would have been back in Midget.

Jr B always had an identity crisis. They could not decide if they were a development league for young, CJHL destined players, or an extension league for guys finishing their career. So, they tried to be both and it varied from club to club.

They have now moved on and are clearly becoming the development league. Those of us who enjoyed watching Jr B hockey need to move on to something else....

 

[SensHero]

Jr B always had an identity crisis. They could not decide if they were a development league for young, CJHL destined players, or an extension league for guys finishing their career. So, they tried to be both and it varied from club to club.

They have now moved on and are clearly becoming the development league. Those of us who enjoyed watching Jr B hockey need to move on to something else....

Agreed, Junior B is dead. While some teams might focus on developing and others try to put a winning team on the ice, bottom line this has now become a business. If you aren't turning a profit then you aren't successful.
I don't want to hear about "owners don't like losing money". You only lost money in the past if you didn't work hard at it. Why were these owners so eager to buy teams in the first place? Did they think they were going to strike it rich?

Hockey doesn't always have to be about making someone money.

 

[Clarke74]

Agreed, Junior B is dead. While some teams might focus on developing and others try to put a winning team on the ice, bottom line this has now become a business. If you aren't turning a profit then you aren't successful.
I don't want to hear about "owners don't like losing money". You only lost money in the past if you didn't work hard at it. Why were these owners so eager to buy teams in the first place? Did they think they were going to strike it rich?

Hockey doesn't always have to be about making someone money.

FYI they changed the name....thats it.....went to Metro finals two yrs in a row.....with 2 16yr olds and 9 to 11 17 yrolds in my line up. We also had to charge kids to play back then as well not as much.....but guess what we had equipment that i would not have put on a donkey to play....shafts with wood bladesbthat nobody wanted to use...no video no website no tape a trainer maybe.
I would have no issue with no pay to play.....but dont expect to get all the bells and whistles.....maybe we should do that in Jr A....wood sticks no vidoe no food on bus no tape no websites maybe a trainer old school equipment 10 yr old jerseys.....then it's free.....TRUE story.....first year of pay to play in our league i sent out a sponsorship package that each kid use to raise his own money because i felt bad about them having to pay. Guess how many packages i recieved back......you guessed it......zero!!! The parents and kids did not want to put in the work to raise the money but it was alright for my wife and i to work all summer to raise money. That didnt work so we asked kids to sell tickets to help raise money.......guess how many family chqs i recieved for the tickets....one from every player. So i have ZERO issues with taking a chq and will never feel bad for it!!!!

 

[fred]

Well of course, "some" are pretty bad, can't debate that.

I will debate you saying if it was last year they would be back in Midget.. there were a lot more weak players skating in the 22-team EOJHL then the 16-team league today. You must be referring to the '99's because yes 100% they would have been back in Midget.

Some of the ones I am speaking of are 98 s and one 99. There is no way that any of them would have made any team last year.

 

[thehoodie]

Some of the ones I am speaking of are 98 s and one 99. There is no way that any of them would have made any team last year.

Just curious.
If the league is smaller, the number of players playing lower, than logic suggests the quality of player should be better, though logic isn't always accurate.

So yes, some players on these 16 teams may not be stellar, but for you to show such venom for the younger players is harsh, considering '97-94 aged players should also be included in your attack.

True, some younger players playing this season might have struggled, but given the fact only 8, 16 year old's are on teams when last year the number was closer to 20... thus making your comments very harsh.

A player is only as good as his teammates and in most cases, the younger players fall low on a teams hierarchy. But if a young player sees more ice than an older player, I'd argue they have skills and that validates their spot on that teams roster.
So suggesting the 99 and 98 players cannot play is painting with a very broad brush and unfair to those young players who deserve to be on their respective teams.

As long as teams like Casselman, Perth and others pay or subsidize players, there will always be the have and have not's in this league. The future strengths of the league will come from the younger player and should be the focus moving forward, but that's just my opinion

 

[TheLastShift]

Just curious.
If the league is smaller, the number of players playing lower, than logic suggests the quality of player should be better, though logic isn't always accurate.

So yes, some players on these 16 teams may not be stellar, but for you to show such venom for the younger players is harsh, considering '97-94 aged players should also be included in your attack.

True, some younger players playing this season might have struggled, but given the fact only 8, 16 year old's are on teams when last year the number was closer to 20... thus making your comments very harsh.

A player is only as good as his teammates and in most cases, the younger players fall low on a teams hierarchy. But if a young player sees more ice than an older player, I'd argue they have skills and that validates their spot on that teams roster.
So suggesting the 99 and 98 players cannot play is painting with a very broad brush and unfair to those young players who deserve to be on their respective teams.

As long as teams like Casselman, Perth and others pay or subsidize players, there will always be the have and have not's in this league. The future strengths of the league will come from the younger player and should be the focus moving forward, but that's just my opinion

Solid opinion. Eventually I feel this will be the case for this league in full.

 

[valleydude]

FYI they changed the name....thats it.....SNIP RANT

Back to the point, name change only.

It really looks like a few major things have happened.

1. There are alot of teams playing with 15 skaters. I can't recall that happening more than a few times over the years I watched this league, and always after some monster fight resulting in suspensions. Now some teams are struggling to fill their bench.

2. After 40 games, the GF-GA delta has increased on average from 39.5 to 54.5. This suggests the skill gap between the have's and have not's has increased dramatically.

I also see that some teams are using AP's not drafted by the CCHL. Is there are a reason for that ? Are CCHL drafted players not permitted to AP to certain teams ?

 

[Clarke74]

Back to the point, name change only.

It really looks like a few major things have happened.

1. There are alot of teams playing with 15 skaters. I can't recall that happening more than a few times over the years I watched this league, and always after some monster fight resulting in suspensions. Now some teams are struggling to fill their bench.

2. After 40 games, the GF-GA delta has increased on average from 39.5 to 54.5. This suggests the skill gap between the have's and have not's has increased dramatically.

I also see that some teams are using AP's not drafted by the CCHL. Is there are a reason for that ? Are CCHL drafted players not permitted to AP to certain teams ?

Shawville played CP in playoffs with 12 skaters in one whole playoff rd. They played with 15 skaters most nights for three yrs i coached in league.

If you work hard and have some pride......you will have 20 skaters and compete.

Guys who are in bottom of league have zero work ethic and had zero work ethic when i was in league.

 

[valleydude]

Shawville played CP in playoffs with 12 skaters in one whole playoff rd. They played with 15 skaters most nights for three yrs i coached in league.

If you work hard and have some pride......you will have 20 skaters and compete.

Guys who are in bottom of league have zero work ethic and had zero work ethic when i was in league.

Looks like OJC is going with 10 tonight... but I bet you've seen that lots of times too though, like back when you was coaching in Omaha in 1948.

 

[Clarke74]

Looks like OJC is going with 10 tonight... but I bet you've seen that lots of times too though, like back when you was coaching in Omaha in 1948.

No im a 74 birthdate.
Maybe that franchise should work a little harder?

 

[valleydude]

No im a 74 birthdate.
Maybe that franchise should work a little harder?

Come on, you must have seen slapshot...

"McGrath: Reg, Reg, that reminds me. I was coachin' in Omaha in 1948 and Eddie Shore sends me this guy who was a terrible masturbator, you know, couldn't control himself. Why, he would get deliberate penalties so he could get over in the penalty box all by himself and damned if he wouldn't... you know..."


Anyway, 10 skaters for a 2 hour game...how is that even possible. What guys are showing up are probably working about as hard as you can work.

 

[HawksFanForever]

Hawks

Well it looks like my Winchester Hawks will not make the playoffs.I follow this league very closely and I see where this has not been a great year and many of you will disagree and that is fine.Fans are not coming out and before you say anything about JR B not drawing allot of Fans you would be wrong.I was on the Bench with The Hawks for 4 Seasons and we drew very well and when we payed Casselman and Alexandria the old barn would have 300 plus fans and that would be reg season game.I have seen allot of lop sided scores throughout the year as well.The money it will cost these players to play in this league will be too much for them and more travel time for some of these teams.I wonder why Man sometimes thinks he has all the answers and when something is not broken he tries to fix what is already fine.The EOJHL had a great thing going and most teams were doing well.

 

[Stittsvillain]

Winchester is in a wild card spot right now.

 

[HawksFanForever]

how

Winchester is in a wild card spot right now.

I count 8 teams and that does not include Winchester

 

[HawksFanForever]

If that is the case then TEN teams make the playoff and that is NUTS lol lol

 

[BigBuck]

If that is the case then TEN teams make the playoff and that is NUTS lol lol

Yup 10 teams make playoffs....From CCHL2 website.

CCHL2 PLAYOFF FORMAT
on Jan 26, 2016

Top 3 in each division receive a ‘bye’ of 7 days while the next best 4 records (7-10) play a best of three competing within 7 days of season end.

The winners are seeded WC1 and WC2. If the winners of the WC round are from different divisions, they play the 1st place team from their division. If they are from the same division, the WC1 plays the 1st place team with the fewest points and WC2 plays the 1st place team with the most points.

Quarter final best of 7 is the 2nd vs 3rd in each division and the 1st in each division vs WC winners.

Semifinal is the quarter final winners seeded 1-4 based on regular season points regardless of division or place of finish, best of 7.

Final is the semifinal winners best of 7.