CCHL2 2015/16 Season
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Trouble with Tikis
Rumour has it that 10+ veterans are asking for trades/releases from the tikis. The new ownership has run that team into the ground.
Rumour has it that 10+ veterans are asking for trades/releases from the tikis. The new ownership has run that team into the ground.
Here is an article in the Brockville paper...
http://www.recorder.ca/2015/10/02/ten-tikis-players-leave-the-team
People have to realize that this new league has Kevin Abram's name written all over it. And the number one priority is to maximize $$$$$$$ for the owners. Not about the players at all.
We all know it's all about the money. KA's plan to eliminate 21 year old and TIER1 team forcing and threating 16 year olds not to play Tier2 are all signs that they are not interrested in the TIER2 to be competitive league. This used to be a great league for younger players to develop or to have older players continue to play hockey while attending College or University full time. How are the 19-20 and 21 year old able to continue playing while paying for tuitions and pay an absurd amount of money to play hockey. I am sure that the max $2500 per player will increase in years to come. Great plan to weed out the older players and have a glorified Juville league for sub par players that are continuing to be sold the dream of College scolarships. As long as parents and players continue to pay the STUPID amount of $$$$....KA's Plan will continue to grow.
Agreed we all know this and most of us have moved on. This is not new by the way. Places like Stittsville have been charging young players $3500 for years. This league is all about keeping the dream alive and fleecing the fools who will pay you to keep it alive.
If you are 19-21, find the $450 bucks and go play in a men's league. There are quite a few where the competition level is equal to or better than Jr B.
the gm in Westport was paying attention: janes,robertson and casselman.first two are from Athens area.he definitely knows what he is getting.i think slam dunk for Westport. some defence,some grit and some offence,brilliant!i am referencing todays blockbuster tiki-rideau trade.
Tiki's story getting attention in the US...
Doesn't look good for Abrams..
http://thejuniorhockeynews.com/?p=47609
Doesn't look good for Abrams..
http://thejuniorhockeynews.com/?p=47609
Yes an article written from a guy who works for NAHL. A league which has same pay structure as the two leagues do.
It happened in NAHL3 two years ago when a whole team folded.
But ya didnt see a Canadian writer posting an article about that.
Grass is not greener on the otherside.
I gotta say that so far and the season is early I know but I do not see from the stats and where you have two strong teams in each division and an outside third so far that is league is much stronger than the EOJHL was and I can see from the stats and they are not always right on that they attendance is way down also.What are your thoughts on this everyone.
Not surprised by this and those from our area aren't either. They also force coaches in minor hockey to take certain players, Onwership is on a serious power trip and is running this team down.
I agree that there are many good Men leagues out there. But the 19-21 olds shouldn’t be forced out of CCHL2 because they are students and want to continue playing Junior hockey. Junior age players should be able to finish their Jr Careers at an affordable price. They should be able to experience the Junior Game, pre-game warm up, 3 X 20 minutes periods, Team Bus ride and everything else that comes with playing Junior Hockey. Who give KA the right to take that away from players that wish to play junior hockey and be a full time student at the same time.
well said
junior b leaque always been a league for college and university student. most of them work go to school and covered pretty much all there expense.pretty sad to see what's happening to this junior b league that's been going for over 50 years and it's falling apart
junior b leaque always been a league for college and university student. most of them work go to school and covered pretty much all there expense.pretty sad to see what's happening to this junior b league that's been going for over 50 years and it's falling apart
And KA's empire keeps growing and growing and growing................................
I agree with you.
But you have to remember that every team is ran differently. Brockville charges the max you can charge, but other teams do not charge their players. I know a few teams that don't charge their 20-21 year olds, 1000 for returning players, and 2000 for rookies. For the rookies it's cheaper than playing in the U18 AAA plus the competition is better.
It's unfortunate this happened, Brockville is a good hard-working team, but I don't think it's the norm in this league. A lot of the owners in this league seem to be willing to help kids out financially to some extent.
Making money
For those that have followed the EOJHL in the past, now whether you call it Junior B or CCHL2 or whatever, it is still the same. There is little or no money to be made at this level. For most owners it is part time only and the expectation for most is to break even. Player fees at this level are mainly to cover the cost of ice and league fees, equipment and travel. Do the math and you will see that this is not a money maker.
For those that have followed the EOJHL in the past, now whether you call it Junior B or CCHL2 or whatever, it is still the same. There is little or no money to be made at this level. For most owners it is part time only and the expectation for most is to break even. Player fees at this level are mainly to cover the cost of ice and league fees, equipment and travel. Do the math and you will see that this is not a money maker.
Exactly. There's maybe one profitable team in the league? The rest of the owners just do it for a passion of the game. If they were looking to make money then there's smarter investments out there.
In past that may have been true. Now under KA, the team registration fee have gone up, and he is selling to the owners, that PARENTS will pay huge amounts of money, as long we the dream is still there for them to get a scholarship. His JrA and U18 model is a perfect example. JrA Teams have many healthy scratches in the stands, but the parents continue to pay. CCHL2 has more and more NON LOCAL players in the lineups because parents are sold on the dream. Why isn’t there more people in the stands? Because these small local teams don’t have enough locals in the lineup. Most of the local 16/17 year olds are either playing…. oups I ment (paying the Dream) with U18 or sitting in the stands with Tier1 teams. And we think the cost of Tier2 hockey is frozen….Just wait, once KA gets his way and gets rid of 21 year old players, the costs will continue to go up and CCHL2 will loose all the good quality players/kids that realize the dream is over and wish t continue playing junior hockey and attending school FULL TIME.
In past that may have been true. Now under KA, the team registration fee have gone up, and he is selling to the owners, that PARENTS will pay huge amounts of money, as long we the dream is still there for them to get a scholarship. His JrA and U18 model is a perfect example. JrA Teams have many healthy scratches in the stands, but the parents continue to pay. CCHL2 has more and more NON LOCAL players in the lineups because parents are sold on the dream. Why isn’t there more people in the stands? Because these small local teams don’t have enough locals in the lineup. Most of the local 16/17 year olds are either playing…. oups I ment (paying the Dream) with U18 or sitting in the stands with Tier1 teams. And we think the cost of Tier2 hockey is frozen….Just wait, once KA gets his way and gets rid of 21 year old players, the costs will continue to go up and CCHL2 will loose all the good quality players/kids that realize the dream is over and wish t continue playing junior hockey and attending school FULL TIME.
Wow, you really do not know what is going on.
According to many owners in the EOJHL, KA promised teams 5-10 US imports players that would stay in Tier II Junior A. This did not happen and never will. That is the usual crap that is being dealt from KA. Most teams in this CCHL2 look for local talent, but several will look for college and university students if they are located in or near Ottawa. You are right that a lot of teams do not have "local" talent. Just look at Prescott and see how many players come from outside. But you do not tell people that there are not a lot of hockey players in Prescott to qualify at this level. Pity that you do not this. What else do you not know.
Players in Junior B or this new CCHL2 for most guys means one of two things. It is a springboard to Junior A and possible DIV 3 money or just maybe an outside chance (like getting struck by lightning) to go further. Look at Stittsville last year, they had Cole Carter who is now in the OHL. He went from Junior B to the OHL. Sounds like a good deal for me. How Stittsville convinced him the play for them, who knows, but you have to think their GM was doing a great job in recruiting him. The other thing is that the player realizes that (18-21) that they are not going to be a professional and will go to college or university and can play in Junior B, because the schedule is not as demanding as in A. Lots of players in B could play in A, but they are going to school full time.
Go to a game in this new CCHL2 and you will notice that there are many fans in the rural areas, but not as many in the city. It is not because of the new league, it has always been the same. As a scout for many years, nothing has changed.
You obviously do not know about the economics of this level as well. The players pay a lot less in Junior B than in Junior A or Triple A. Just ask the owners in Junior B what their day job is. Then ask the Junior A guys what their day job is. You will see the difference. With KA in charge, the average player fee has declined from previous years. But and this is a really big butt, there are teams in Junior B that are community owned that have a lot of money to throw around. There is also a few teams in Junior B that have deep pockets like Casselman, Ottawa West, Stittsville, Ottawa Canadians, Perth and Arnprior, (and...). The others running on a shoestring budget and must breakeven year after year. Oh yeah, ask the Junior B owners how much the 19-21 year olds pay. Most do not charge for 20 or 21 year olds and get little or nothing from 18-19 year olds. So the burden is on the young players who pay less in Junior B then in A or this U18.
You have not followed Junior A as much as many people because you would know that the "bench" in A has decreased drastically in the past two years. Just look at the Raiders roster from last year versus their roster 3 years ago. No more 25-29 guys on the team. As well do you know how much these "extra" players pay? Probably not, but you can still assume anything you want.
Bottom line is that you obviously do not what is going on.
Just ask the owners in all three levels. Well maybe not this new U18, because it is still technically run from the ODHA and who knows what the hell is going on, but contact the Junior A and Junior B owners and ask them. Most are great people to meet will discuss with you many things about their teams.
No Pity? Buy a team and report back to us in a year.
But you like you, you will complain and complain, but not do anything about it.
Well Well
Where did you get all this STUFF from lol lol.I live here in Nova Scotia but was a Trainer for 4 years in the EOJHL and allot of what you say is so far out there.When the EOJHL was lost the writing was on the wall for hockey in that area.Now with this new league in the early stages take a look at the standings and tell me this league is better and is going to be better.To play JR B Hockey is not gotten Cheaper by no means.I do not know where you got all your information from but have you checked out the Price of Gas and the Price of Hockey sticks and Hockey Gear lately.
Where did you get all this STUFF from lol lol.I live here in Nova Scotia but was a Trainer for 4 years in the EOJHL and allot of what you say is so far out there.When the EOJHL was lost the writing was on the wall for hockey in that area.Now with this new league in the early stages take a look at the standings and tell me this league is better and is going to be better.To play JR B Hockey is not gotten Cheaper by no means.I do not know where you got all your information from but have you checked out the Price of Gas and the Price of Hockey sticks and Hockey Gear lately.
This is against NCAA rules so all of these kids lose their NCAA eligability.....If you are going to charge players everyone has to pay the same or they are breaking rules.
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