Proposal: (CBJ/TOR) Gudbranson Danforth for Liljegren Kämpf

[lanceuppercut75]

to Toronto Maple Leafs
ERIK GUDBRANSON (2y @ $4.0m)
JUSTIN DANFORTH (1y @ $1.1m)

to Columbus Blue Jackets
TIMOTHY LILJEGREN (2y @ $3.0m)
DAVID KÄMPF (3y @ $2.4m)


Columbus moves on from Gudbranson, as it's probably time to do so. They get a younger D with some 2nd pairing potential who has more trade value than Guddy if you end up flipping him. They're probably reshaping their 4th line soon anyways, and Kämpf can be part of that for 2 or 3 years. They take on Kämpf's term in exchange for getting the younger more valuable D in the swap.

Toronto swaps out Kämpf's 3 year term for a 1 year contract guy and makes their 4th line / press box situation more flexible. They cash in on whatever potential Liljegren has left in him, who it's time to move on from. They don't take on any cap. Gudbranson and Timmins can compete to be the #6 D.

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[Viqsi]

Columbus moves on from Gudbranson, as it's probably time to do so.

Nope. He's still plenty reliable (so long as you limit his duties) and a locker room leader.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Nope. He's still plenty reliable (so long as you limit his duties) and a locker room leader.

If Toronto added a low draft pick, would that be tempting?

Gudbranson isn't in CBJ long term plans, so unless they think he's crucial to the locker room, I don't see why a rebuilding team wouldn't want to swap him for a younger RD with 2nd pair potential (who could also be flipped for a pick or prospect later on).

 

[Viqsi]

If Toronto added a low draft pick, would that be tempting?

I think that'd actually qualify as insulting.

Gudbranson isn't in CBJ long term plans, so unless they think he's crucial to the locker room, I don't see why a rebuilding team wouldn't want to swap him for a younger RD with 2nd pair potential (who could also be flipped for a pick or prospect later on).

He's absolutely in the team's plans because we need guys like that for the kids to learn from. The simple truth is that Liljegren is just not interesting, and Danforth is preferable to Kampf.

 

[CBJx614]

Gudbranson has become a leader in the locker room, he's not going anywhere anytime soon and neither is Danforth.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

He's absolutely in the team's plans because we need guys like that for the kids to learn from.

To clarify, what I was referring to was :

- Severson signed long term and more capable of playing top pairing minutes than Gudbranson
- Jiricek seems to be in the long term plans, barring a big trade
- Unless he isn't developing well, I know that Carson Ceulemans requires waivers starting Oct 2026, and would be one of the CBJ RD from that point. 2026 is the same summer that Gudbranson's contract ends.

That means (unless something above isn't accurate) that you'd have to sell Gudbranson on extending in Columbus to play (or press box) behind three other RD. Can you convince him to do that? Otherwise he's leaving in 2 years.

 

[Viqsi]

To clarify, what I was referring to was :

- Severson signed long term and more capable of playing top pairing minutes than Gudbranson
- Jiricek seems to be in the long term plans, barring a big trade
- Unless he isn't developing well, I know that Carson Ceulemans requires waivers starting Oct 2026, and would be one of the CBJ RD from that point. 2026 is the same summer that Gudbranson's contract ends.

That means (unless something above isn't accurate) that you'd have to sell Gudbranson on extending in Columbus to play (or press box) behind three other RD. Can you convince him to do that? Otherwise he's leaving in 2 years.

See bolded. EDIT: And you're offering Liljegren, so top-pairing minutes capability is hardly part of this debate.

 

[CBJx614]

To clarify, what I was referring to was :

- Severson signed long term and more capable of playing top pairing minutes than Gudbranson
- Jiricek seems to be in the long term plans, barring a big trade
- Unless he isn't developing well, I know that Carson Ceulemans requires waivers starting Oct 2026, and would be one of the CBJ RD from that point. 2026 is the same summer that Gudbranson's contract ends.

That means (unless something above isn't accurate) that you'd have to sell Gudbranson on extending in Columbus to play (or press box) behind three other RD. Can you convince him to do that? Otherwise he's leaving in 2 years.

There's not a single defender on the team that brings what does. He may not get extended, but that doesn't mean we should move him. Jiricek can't beat Johnson for a spot, let alone Gudbranson.

 

[Fatass]

Why in the world would Columbus do this? Liljigen has no value. At least Gudbranson is tough as nails and can fight. That’s a lot more than lilgigren adds. And Kampf is a cap dump.
The Leafs are stuck with Lili for this year and next unless they swallow some of his contract and (or) add sugar to any trade.

 

[DJN21]

sorry on this one maple fans....maybe sign reaves and solve your....nope tried that....

 

[Djp]

To clarify, what I was referring to was :

- Severson signed long term and more capable of playing top pairing minutes than Gudbranson
- Jiricek seems to be in the long term plans, barring a big trade
- Unless he isn't developing well, I know that Carson Ceulemans requires waivers starting Oct 2026, and would be one of the CBJ RD from that point. 2026 is the same summer that Gudbranson's contract ends.

That means (unless something above isn't accurate) that you'd have to sell Gudbranson on extending in Columbus to play (or press box) behind three other RD. Can you convince him to do that? Otherwise he's leaving in 2 years.

Gudbranson will bgg e 34 when contract ends. If columbus 2 young RD are ready come 26/27 they can keep gudbranson another yr or so to semi coach them in a 7D role

If Toronto added a low draft pick, would that be tempting?

Gudbranson isn't in CBJ long term plans, so unless they think he's crucial to the locker room, I don't see why a rebuilding team wouldn't want to swap him for a younger RD with 2nd pair potential (who could also be flipped for a pick or prospect later on).

Liljegren does not have that value.
Kmapf is a cap dump.

 

[JetsFan815]

I would do this for Columbus if it is a 1 for 1 Liljegren for Gudbranson trade with an expiring contract from the Leafs side to balance out the cap. Kampf has too much term for what he brings.

 

[majormajor]

If the Leafs are just trying to dump Kampf, then maybe they can offer a pick/prospect to Columbus to take him.

The Jackets don't have any reason to move Gudbranson and Danforth. Two leaders on a team very short of leadership.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

If the Leafs are just trying to dump Kampf, then maybe they can offer a pick/prospect to Columbus to take him.

The Jackets don't have any reason to move Gudbranson and Danforth. Two leaders on a team very short of leadership.

I'm open to Toronto adding a pick or prospect into this trade, sure.

 

[majormajor]

I'm open to Toronto adding a pick or prospect into this trade, sure.

This trade as in just unloading Kampf? Or the whole 2 for 2 deal? Because I don't think Columbus would make a bigger deal, they put a higher value on keeping their veteran leaders, since they're so short on them.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

This trade as in just unloading Kampf? Or the whole 2 for 2 deal? Because I don't think Columbus would make a bigger deal, they put a higher value on keeping their veteran leaders, since they're so short on them.

Unloading Kämpf. Danforth could be Olivier instead or any depth forward $1m-ish cap or less, preferably a 1 year contract. Even Kuraly with retention if CBJ wanted to waste one of their retention slots on that.

 

[Dead Coyote]

No shot that Columbus offload the most valuable asset in the trade and get nothing of value back for them.

Gudbranson is arguably their best most consistent defender in the top 4 and Liljegren is a 4/6 tweener, there's absolutely no reason to add to the logjam at D by getting rid of your better defender for a worse one, age doesn't matter, it would be like asking for Sergachev and giving up a worse D who's younger and a cap dump, or like asking for Crosby for a middle six winger.

Rebuilding teams aren't just going to keep feeding you like they're your farm team. Consider their needs for a minute. What the hell does Liljegren for Gudbranson possibly add to their d-core?

Liljegren doesn't replace Gudbranson so that's a no, and Kampf is a dump. Danforth > Kampf and Gudbranson > Liljegren. What incentive is there? Adding a pick or prospect doesn't do anything to address the needs of the d-core.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Gudbranson is arguably their best most consistent defender in the top 4 and Liljegren is a 4/6 tweener, there's absolutely no reason to add to the logjam at D by getting rid of your better defender for a worse one, age doesn't matter, it would be like asking for Sergachev and giving up a worse D who's younger and a cap dump, or like asking for Crosby for a middle six winger.

I didn't realize Gudbranson had improved so much. Two years ago, I saw CBJ fans wishing they could get rid of him and talking about him like he would be a disaster if he played anything higher than 3rd pairing. Peeke was considered the superior RHD from what I saw at the time, and he's considered a 3rd pairing guy now.

 

[majormajor]

No shot that Columbus offload the most valuable asset in the trade and get nothing of value back for them.

Gudbranson is arguably their best most consistent defender in the top 4 and Liljegren is a 4/6 tweener, there's absolutely no reason to add to the logjam at D by getting rid of your better defender for a worse one, age doesn't matter, it would be like asking for Sergachev and giving up a worse D who's younger and a cap dump, or like asking for Crosby for a middle six winger.

Rebuilding teams aren't just going to keep feeding you like they're your farm team. Consider their needs for a minute. What the hell does Liljegren for Gudbranson possibly add to their d-core?

Liljegren doesn't replace Gudbranson so that's a no, and Kampf is a dump. Danforth > Kampf and Gudbranson > Liljegren. What incentive is there? Adding a pick or prospect doesn't do anything to address the needs of the d-core.

I didn't realize Gudbranson had improved so much. Two years ago, I saw CBJ fans wishing they could get rid of him and talking about him like he would be a disaster if he played anything higher than 3rd pairing. Peeke was considered the superior RHD from what I saw at the time, and he's considered a 3rd pairing guy now.

Gudbranson is not a top 4 D, I don't know what deadcoyote is talking about. Liljegren for Gudbranson isn't an absurd ask.

He had a strong year last year, seemingly his career best. But we're not counting on him to be particularly good this year or next. Jackets fans just don't have a reason to want to trade him. He's a leader and a pugilist, and the team doesn't need to get any younger.