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[Aaaarrgghh]

The tweeter suggests that Vancouver management loves Sillinger and links Severson to them as well due to the healthy scratches. Don’t think Provorov as a UFA to be is very attractive.

I know we’d have to add from my package I listed but it’s close to the framework they were suggesting (which was the Eichel deal)

If you are talking about Taj, I don't know who that is. The Severson part looked like pure speculation to me. Provorov makes sense if Vancouver are still looking to make a playoff push.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Pettersson's contract is bad enough

i think he'd kick so much ass here that, combined with the cap increases, the contract would not be bad whatsoever.

that if we're sending substantial futures to Vancouver in the deal, that we should also be sending some bad long term salary (Severson?) too.

severson being in the deal instead of provorov is such an appealing thought that the (ever-shrinking) reasonable part of my brain refuses to even consider it, as the universe is incapable of smiling so fondly upon the columbus blue jackets.

The tweeter suggests that Vancouver management loves Sillinger and links Severson to them as well due to the healthy scratches. Don’t think Provorov as a UFA to be is very attractive.

if don waddell is able to:

• get pettersson for severson + sillinger + a propsect + two 1sts
• recoup one of those 1sts in a provorov trade
• take a cap dump defenseman to backfill provorov's spot

that's a "build this guy a statue" level move

 

[majormajor]

i think he'd kick so much ass here that, combined with the cap increases, the contract would not be bad whatsoever.

You do tend to have an affinity for extremely moody players who are made of glass and have ginormous egos.... so that checks out.

 

[Cowumbus]

framework imo would be:

• provorov
• sillinger
• one of chinakhov or brindley
• two 1st round picks (likely MIN's + one of ours with protections)

and also taking back hoglander in the deal.

that deal sucks for us

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

All the "what's going to Vancouver for Pettersson" is funny because the Penguins forum is all figuring to SEND Pettersson to the Canucks.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

You do tend to have an affinity for extremely moody players who are made of glass and have ginormous egos.... so that checks out.

that's what i get for defending patrik laine one (hundred) times on this forum… (he sucks now though)

that deal sucks for us

none of the pieces going the other way are going to be anywhere near as good as pettersson, who is an elite two-way 1C who can play all situations. it sets the top of the roster in stone for the long haul at the cost of guys on the periphery, and allows the team to fill out the bottom half of the roster with guys who fit those roles better.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Hearing Waddell allude to wanting to make a hockey trade with regards to Provorov in the event of a playoff race in his interviews with Marek and Scheig got me thinking.

There have previously been talks of Provorov to Utah. If Utah too want to push for the playoffs, would a deal based around Provorov for Kesselring be at all likely? Utah have Durzi and Marino on the right-hand side that should be back soon as well as Lamoureux coming up. If they could add and re-sign Provorov, that would strengthen their left-hand side significantly, while Columbus get a young up-and-coming RHD to play in the top 4 moving forward.

I suppose Utah don't really need to rush anything and, since Kesselring is cheap, can keep him on the third pair or as a 7D. But that's a trade that would intrigue me.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

So much to get through and not enough time to do it.

 

[tunnelvision]

Hearing Waddell allude to wanting to make a hockey trade with regards to Provorov in the event of a playoff race in his interviews with Marek and Scheig got me thinking.

There have previously been talks of Provorov to Utah. If Utah too want to push for the playoffs, would a deal based around Provorov for Kesselring be at all likely? Utah have Durzi and Marino on the right-hand side that should be back soon as well as Lamoureux coming up. If they could add and re-sign Provorov, that would strengthen their left-hand side significantly, while Columbus get a young up-and-coming RHD to play in the top 4 moving forward.

I suppose Utah don't really need to rush anything and, since Kesselring is cheap, can keep him on the third pair or as a 7D. But that's a trade that would intrigue me.

A few weeks ago I inquired about Kesselring on the Utah board:

Do you expect Kesselring to be part of your D core for foreseeable future or could he become available for a trade before his contract expires?

Response:

Core. Not available.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

A few weeks ago I inquired about Kesselring on the Utah board:


Response:

A few years left in the AHL for Lamoureux then with Marino and Durzi already up there barring a trade. Oh well.

 

[AnonCommentary]

Okay found the full thing from EF on Pettersson rumors for transparency:

“I think the Rangers are a team that's looking to both sell and add. You know, Columbus, I wonder if they're around Vancouver at all. There's fits there, I think, but, you know, it looks, you know, it looks pretty magical in Columbus right now.

You know, considering what they've had to deal with, like the worst of the worst, you know, they're playing really well right now and they're really battling, they're really overachieving. And I wonder if they want to be careful with, you know, mucking around with that chemistry. They do seem to have a little something special this year.”

Extra tidbit to this: The Vancouver report came out like 2 hours after this. I wonder if they just piggy backed off of this. The Taj account was sneaky and left out the extra information from EF.

 

[Indy18]

I hope so because I am just sighing at all the speculation of us trading Z, Fantilli, Mateychuk, Kent Johnson and all of our 1sts for EP which is ironic because the same fanbase said you couldn't trade a 50% Johnny Hockey after a bad year.

 

[Schemp]

A few weeks ago I inquired about Kesselring on the Utah board:
Response:

Marino and Durzi are still out. They'll keep Kesselring around for the rest of the season, and when activated, move Lamoureux to Tucson. Valimaki seems to be the odd one out. They'll reevaluate Kesselring during the off season, unless if they can trade him for a center.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[alphafox]

Makes Sense, I am on the trade for Pettersson band wagon assuming the cost looks something like Sillinger+Proverov+MN 1st+.... I think Van is focused on a move with Miller to one of the NY team as he will waive and is older. I would bet that unless someone blows them away with an offer for EP40 they go miller to solve the conflict.

 

[LJ7]

Now in the first wildcard spot by points percentage. Washington and Toronto lead their divisions, and I honestly would prefer to see either of them round one over the other top 3 metro teams which are Carolina and New Jersey. Also the two Florida teams are 2nd and 3rd in the Atlantic hopefully will stay put, because again I would rather see Toronto than either of them.

The real surprise that opened things up is the Rangers implosion. I did not expect that whatsoever and it really gives us a realistic chance to take a spot. Werenski should get a Norris consideration boost if this team makes the playoffs, he's been our MVP with Marchenko right after him.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Interesting. I wonder what's changed in Tarasov's thinking. Could be he previously saw it as punishment but now sees that it's a genuine effort by the club to help his game? Look, Elvis is anything but dependable but the club invested in his success this year and he seems to have taken them up on it. Maybe Daniil is looking to do the same.

 

[Fred Glover]

Interesting. I wonder what's changed in Tarasov's thinking. Could be he previously saw it as punishment but now sees that it's a genuine effort by the club to help his game? Look, Elvis is anything but dependable but the club invested in his success this year and he seems to have taken them up on it. Maybe Daniil is looking to do the same.

Maybe the club was brutally honest with him and said that they will continue to bring up Jet to be the goalie when Elvis needs a break and that if Tarasov hopes to play he needs to accept the assignment with the expectation that it will help him and the club in the future

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[spintheblackcircle]

 

[SteelCityCannon]

MOD: Yes I moved this and replies from the Elias Pettersson thread but it's getting so far off that and into this topic it had to be done.

I think our big swing should be on a defender.

 

[alphafox]

No thanks, that's a monster contract.

I think our big swing should be on a defender.

I guess this is where my hang-up is. I don't see a defender in their mid 20's that we could realistically land without dipping into our untouchables significantly. (Maybe Adam Fox?) The D market is so spilt between the young mega stars (Makar, Hughes, Dahlin) and older untouchables (our versions of Werenski) and also rans.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

I guess this is where my hang-up is. I don't see a defender in their mid 20's that we could realistically land without dipping into our untouchables significantly. (Maybe Adam Fox?) The D market is so spilt between the young mega stars (Makar, Hughes, Dahlin) and older untouchables (our versions of Werenski) and also rans.

the crucial piece to the "swing big on a defenseman" thing is what, exactly, a superstar defenseman is at this point. by and large, you're looking at puck-moving offensive defensemen.

we have werenski on the top pair, who is elite. mateychuk looks awesome and will be the main puck mover on the second pair for a long time. and severson, the anchor of a contract that he is, saw the best season of his career come as the main puck-mover on new jersey's third pair.

point being, we have three guys who can drive play offensively, and who appear to be best positioned to do that on three separate pairs. which means the targets defensively should be more rugged, complementary pieces.

we already have one in dante fabbro, who works exceptionally well alongside werenski. we need a short-medium term one for mateychuk (elick could be the long-term answer). and for the third pair, they can either play severson on his off side with gudbranson, get a cheap UFA lefty, or see what daemon hunt can do.

imo: get a lefty PK specialist (not jack johnson) to pair with severson, and a righty shutdown guy to play with mateychuk, then feed those guys heavy penalty kill minutes and let the puck movers cook at 5v5.

so the assignment here is to swing big on a partner who is tailor-made for mateychuk. i'd argue that the best option there would be mackenzie weegar, but that contract long-term scares me. and the price will be too high on rasmus andersson, who will need a new deal soon anyway.

the rangers and bruins are imploding. both have guys who fit the bill for what we need (carlo, miller) – both would be big swings, but not elias pettersson level swings, and they have enough assets to do both while still having a good pipeline.

so the question isn't "pettersson OR a defenseman" – it's "pettersson AND which defenseman?"

 

[spintheblackcircle]

While I think this is a playoff team, there is no way they should be buyers for a big piece.