Line Combos: CBJ Roster Discussion/Line Combos/Injury Report

[Aaaarrgghh]

Agreed 100%. DW needs to make a trade with Van or Buff for one of the forwards they are rumored to have available. Even with Chinakov and Jenner back (who knows when or for how long unfortunately) we still need a talent upgrade to pair with Fantilli to really build quality top 9. There isn't really any way of fixing the blue line back this season so the best you can do is find ways to support and develop your best players to see what they can be and develop into.

Höglander does look more tempting now than he did when the rumours about CBJ's interest in him were circulating. At this juncture, my expectation is for Provorov to go to Vancouver for a 1st and Höglander. But CBJ are not in a hurry, unlike Vancouver.

 

[Jovavic]

JVR probably bumped his value from a 5th to a 4th after last night's game, thanks, buddy!

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

That's cool and all but it also means our secondary scoring is non existent. If those guys aren't doing it nobody else is.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It’s easier to give a defenseman that little ice time of there are six others.

 

[Napoli]

Höglander does look more tempting now than he did when the rumours about CBJ's interest in him were circulating. At this juncture, my expectation is for Provorov to go to Vancouver for a 1st and Höglander. But CBJ are not in a hurry, unlike Vancouver.

I wouldnt go near Hoglander.

Id be curious what Nsh would want for Evangelista. Even Nyquist would be a welcome addition. I guess it remains to be seen if Waddell thinks were playoff contenders or not.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

I wouldnt go near Hoglander.

Id be curious what Nsh would want for Evangelista. Even Nyquist would be a welcome addition. I guess it remains to be seen if Waddell thinks were playoff contenders or not.

Well, Trotz has been intent on burning Nashville to the ground and I did hear Evangelista was struggling at the start of the season. But that might be too much even for Trotz. And I think he got going. I can't see him being available. What do you say, @Viqsi?

 

[CBJ goalie]

That's cool and all but it also means our secondary scoring is non existent. If those guys aren't doing it nobody else is.

I somewhat agree......you'd be surprised at guys that step up when the top lines aren't producing.
Look at how well Marner and Tavares are doing with Matthews out of the line up.
Chinakhov coming back should give KJ a jump.....maybe Fantilli too.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I somewhat agree......you'd be surprised at guys that step up when the top lines aren't producing.
Look at how well Marner and Tavares are doing with Matthews out of the line up.
Chinakhov coming back should give KJ a jump.....maybe Fantilli too.

I agree. But they aren't in the lineup now and the ones who are aren't scoring. When the top line gets shut down it gets ugly.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Serious question. What’s the fascination with Hoglander?

 

[stevo61]

Serious question. What’s the fascination with Hoglander?

I wouldn't pay much if anything for him but an honest answer would be he should be cheap to acquire, he competes, he can skate and he had a decent year last year

 

[NotCommitted]

That's cool and all but it also means our secondary scoring is non existent. If those guys aren't doing it nobody else is.

Lacking "secondary scoring" is a real problem but much less severe than lacking primary scoring... and usually way more easier to fix, especially for current Jackets team.

EDIT: also in this case if using 19.12. as the cutoff point, it doesn't even really mean the Jackets lack secondary scoring, just that their top guys are scoring a ton.

 

[majormajor]

Lacking "secondary scoring" is a real problem but much less severe than lacking primary scoring... and usually way more easier to fix, especially for current Jackets team.

This is another way of getting at my complaints in the game thread. This is really close to being a playoff team, and it wouldn't cost a lot of assets to get us the missing secondary pieces to get there. And it kind of sucks that we're not doing that!

EDIT: also in this case if using 19.12. as the cutoff point, it doesn't even really mean the Jackets lack secondary scoring, just that their top guys are scoring a ton.

In this case, coincidentally, we really do lack secondary scoring. Everyone in the bottom nine has less than five points in the last ten games.

 

[DankoCBJ]

We dont need to burn assets to address our offence. So trading for Höglander or something similar? I dont see it. We need health and maybe some veteran UFA guy next summer like Nyquist or Palmieri to bring some depth for the time being, and our offence is set for next year.

Example of our TOP9 lines

Voronkov - Monahan - Marchenko
KJ - Fantilli - Chinakhov
Jenner - Sillinger - (Nyquist/Palmieri)

Waddell can then use the assets that we have to upgrade our defence and goaltending. If he is able to do that, we are well set to compete for playoffs spot next year.

 

[S1N4TR4]

Hopefully Chinakov is back soon.. I didn’t mind Olivier in the top 6 when he was shooting at a crazy shooting %, but it’s really time to rebalance the lines a bit , maybe get KJ on Fantillis wing . Fantilli has been flying all over the ice and JVR and Reese can’t remotely keep up . I’m seeing signs that Fantilli is about to break thru , he’s really been playing much better in the past 2 weeks , need to get him atleast one player that can play with him

olivier’s last 7 games average TOI: 16:39
the 7 games before that TOI avg: 14:02

he has indeed seen an uptick in ice time.

infact a few games back, he had over twenty minutes which was a career high in the 207 of them that he has played.

I really like olivier, a lot. even met him after a game, so so so down to earth but there is no rhyme or reason for him to be playing 20 minutes in a game at the NHL level.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Lacking "secondary scoring" is a real problem but much less severe than lacking primary scoring... and usually way more easier to fix, especially for current Jackets team.

EDIT: also in this case if using 19.12. as the cutoff point, it doesn't even really mean the Jackets lack secondary scoring, just that their top guys are scoring a ton.

But when the top line scoring goes dry, then you go on winless streaks.

Case in point, the NJD have lost 3 in a row because their top end has hit a dry streak and their bottom 6 can't buy a goal over the last 2+ weeks.

In the same way you need a backup goalie who can win you some games, you need some scoring depth to occasionally bail you out because the top line can't do it every night. So lacking secondary scoring is a real problem when you also lack primary scoring at the same time.

 

[EDM]

It would also be nice if KJ started scoring again.

 

[S1N4TR4]

JVR probably bumped his value from a 5th to a 4th after last night's game, thanks, buddy!

if JVR fetches a 4th at the deadline, i’ll be ecstatic.

It would also be nice if KJ started scoring again.

1 goal last 9 games.
-7 in that stretch.

he’s back to barely shooting the puck again. in those 9 games he has registered just 13 shots on goal.

want to hear something even more wild?

he has had 185 shifts since Dec. 15th… yes, 185 shifts and only 1 goal.

he’s as cold as the temperature outside right now in our capital city. ice cold.

 

[Cowumbus]

if JVR fetches a 4th at the deadline, i’ll be ecstatic.



1 goal last 9 games.
-7 in that stretch.

he’s back to barely shooting the puck again. in those 9 games he has registered just 13 shots on goal.

want to hear something even more wild?

he has had 185 shifts since Dec. 15th… yes, 185 shifts and only 1 goal.

he’s as cold as the temperature outside right now in our capital city. ice cold.

Because the guys he plays with aren’t good enough scorers / don’t have the IQ he does!

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Who comes back first, Jenner or Chinakhov?

 

[CBJ goalie]

Who comes back first, Jenner or Chinakhov?

Chinakhov for sure.
We know Jenners injury, and the timeline for it.

 

[NotWendell]

I don't understand the preoccupation with tinkering with the offense. We lose games because we can't keep the puck out of the back of our net.

 

[majormajor]

We dont need to burn assets to address our offence. So trading for Höglander or something similar? I dont see it. We need health and maybe some veteran UFA guy next summer like Nyquist or Palmieri to bring some depth for the time being, and our offence is set for next year.

Example of our TOP9 lines

Voronkov - Monahan - Marchenko
KJ - Fantilli - Chinakhov
Jenner - Sillinger - (Nyquist/Palmieri)

Waddell can then use the assets that we have to upgrade our defence and goaltending. If he is able to do that, we are well set to compete for playoffs spot next year.

On Höglander, he wouldn't cost us anything. He's having a brutal year and his contract extension is $3m x 3 starting next year. The Canucks might even pay us to take him. I'm not sure if I would take him, there is risk with his injury history that he's not going to last.

On the question of spending assets, we have an overflowing treasure trove of prospects, a lot of B level guys that we won't have ice time for. I wouldn't mind trading one or two to get veterans who can better support the young guys we have in the NHL lineup right now. I don't like the situation we are putting KJ and Fantilli in.

I don't understand the preoccupation with tinkering with the offense. We lose games because we can't keep the puck out of the back of our net.

Our goals against is from the way our whole team plays, it's not individual D-men. Now if we made a huge defensive upgrade with a Pelech / McDonagh type, that would be different, but that's a very expensive proposition. I'd be very excited for that sort of move but I doubt it's something Wads can pull off in the short run.

By comparison, one or two good veterans could inexpensively fix our bottom 9 scoring problem. And that would potentially help our goals against if that group spends more time in the offensive zone.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Our goals against is from the way our whole team plays, it's not individual D-men. Now if we made a huge defensive upgrade with a Pelech / McDonagh type, that would be different, but that's a very expensive proposition. I'd be very excited for that sort of move but I doubt it's something Wads can pull off in the short run.

One loose thought that I have had is if Olivier won't re-sign, could he possibly be included in a package along with a 1st for Brandon Carlo? Probably not, but there were reports of talks between the Bruins and the Blue Jackets for Carlo before Fabbro became available. And I think it was Portzline who said that the Bruins had called about Olivier every deadline. If that were to happen, they could roll the following D core after the TDL:
Werenski-Carlo
Mateychuk-Fabbro
Christiansen-Severson

Otherwise, it'll probably have to wait until the off-season, unless they acquire someone like K'André Miller.

One thing that does annoy me terribly after the Jiricek trade is looking at all the good defensive RHD that were available this summer, particularly Roy, DeMelo and Pesce. With that said, CBJ probably wouldn't have Fabbro in that case.

 

[NotWendell]

Your goals against is from the way our whole team plays, it's not individual D-men.

We agree it's not just the D-men. But rather than focus on scoring, I submit that It's also the goaltending. Let's just look at last game. Provorov shoots into a guy's pads at the end of a PP + no one is able to take the guy coming out of the box + Elvis's .807 average = puck is in the back of our net. Game over.