Line Combos: CBJ Roster Discussion/Line Combos/Injury Report

[stevo61]

Defense looks good, can't wait until we see 11-7 next game and the coaching staff continues to screw up something pretty simple

 

[CBJx614]

I know we've been having some success with who we have, but man do we ever need some help in the offensive side of the lineup.

We really gotta hope that Chinny can stay healthy and kids like LDBB, Brindley and Maletesta are ready to make that next step soon.

That or we go and make a big splash this summer via trade and or FA.

 

[LJ7]

That or we go and make a big splash this summer via trade and or FA.

I expect this to happen. Waddell has very frequently stated his intent to take this course, and I think the market conditions will allow for it.

 

[Jovavic]

Depends on who of the big UFAs to be end up resigning with their current teams. If they can't land a big fish I wouldn't be opposed to one or two current high dollar contracts that only have a year left on them instead of dumpster diving for JVR, JMFJ, and LeBlanc again (with high draft picks attached, obviously)

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I don't think anyone in the front office intended JVR and Labanc to be the solutions at forward. After we (thankfully) lost Laine and (tragically) lost Johnny, I think everyone knew we were at a point in the offseason where the options were limited, but Waddell & Co (and I agree with this) felt it was important to add a vet or two to the roster to provide a better environment for the younger players, whether in the locker room, or as linemates, or to shelter/limit their TOI or whatever.

I just feel like it's silly to discuss the offseason like this is some long-established MO for Waddell to pick scraps to build his roster.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Xoggz22]

Was just coming to see if any word on Jenner. I was thinking about the improvement of the lineup and the fact that Chinny, Danforth and Jenner are all missing. That would make for a really deep starting 12 if they return to keep the push going. That woudl be a significant help in road matchups and the PK. No clue how lines would play out, but for grins...

Voronkov-Monahan-Marchenko
Johnson-Sillinger-Jenner
JVR-Fantilli-Chinakhov
Danforth-Kuraly-Olivier

I would really like that mix of 12 with this system. May need to mix and match a little differntly, but that feels like a pretty solid 12 with PP and PK support.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[EspenK]

I know we've been having some success with who we have, but man do we ever need some help in the offensive side of the lineup.

We really gotta hope that Chinny can stay healthy and kids like LDBB, Brindley and Maletesta are ready to make that next step soon.

That or we go and make a big splash this summer via trade and or FA.

I think we need our whole team to tighten up the D. Consistency on offense would be great but I don't believe the O is a major concern.

 

[thebus88]

We need to break up the top line to spread out the offense. Or move Fantilli up with KJ/Olivier and go heavy on the top 2 lines.

And what the f*** is going on with Chinakhov? Where are the follow up questions from the reporters??

 

[LJ7]

I wonder if Severson would benefit from seeing a sports psychologist, or alerting his physical preparation a la Werenski. He is a very skilled player and is not even consistently making mental mistakes, they seem sporadic enough to perhaps be an issue that just "clicks" one day from some change of approach or something.

It is possible he may lack talent in terms of the mental side of hockey though. Making decisions in the flow any game comes far easier to some (Voronkov is gifted here imo) than others, but he does make (what seem like to me, a guy who uses rental skates when he hits the rink bi-yearly) smart plays pretty often.

 

[majormajor]

I know we've been having some success with who we have, but man do we ever need some help in the offensive side of the lineup.

We really gotta hope that Chinny can stay healthy and kids like LDBB, Brindley and Maletesta are ready to make that next step soon.

That or we go and make a big splash this summer via trade and or FA.

There is probably going to be an injury or two to some top 9 forwards even after Chinny and Jens come back.

A Nyquist type add would make a huge difference, I don't even think we need a big splash or huge trade to make our forward group lethal. The top line has been great. Go trade for the next Nyquist (or the original one, he could be had for a pick right now).

 

[DarkandStormy]

This dude is 30 years old.

Anyway, his contract is aging exactly as I thought it would the moment pen hit paper. Well done, Jarmo.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

I wonder if Severson would benefit from seeing a sports psychologist, or alerting his physical preparation a la Werenski. He is a very skilled player and is not even consistently making mental mistakes, they seem sporadic enough to perhaps be an issue that just "clicks" one day from some change of approach or something.

It is possible he may lack talent in terms of the mental side of hockey though. Making decisions in the flow any game comes far easier to some (Voronkov is gifted here imo) than others, but he does make (what seem like to me, a guy who uses rental skates when he hits the rink bi-yearly) smart plays pretty often.

Well, like major will point out, this is exactly what we knew about Severson coming in. NJ fans very pretty adamant that "he's good but then he will f* up the game with a stupid mistake". If there's a common thread in his mistakes, maybe somebody smart could figure out some simple rule he could try to follow in those situations, something that works in our system. That's probably doable. But gaining more awareness or other actual improvement, that's probably much harder to obtain...

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Severson is at least taking it well. Remember the last high priced guy we benched a game? Didn't go so well. Coach hit the nail on the head though. We all remember the massive brain farts but Severson is pretty good alot of the time. More than we give him credit for. Seems to try to do too much in the defensive zone. Backhand passes out of the corner to our own slot is never a good idea. Take the easy play. Dumb it down.

 

[majormajor]

This dude is 30 years old.

Anyway, his contract is aging exactly as I thought it would the moment pen hit paper. Well done, Jarmo.

"Aging"? He's the same player we signed.

Severson is at least taking it well. Remember the last high priced guy we benched a game? Didn't go so well. Coach hit the nail on the head though. We all remember the massive brain farts but Severson is pretty good alot of the time. More than we give him credit for. Seems to try to do too much in the defensive zone. Backhand passes out of the corner to our own slot is never a good idea. Take the easy play. Dumb it down.

Severson might have to cut them out if he can't get the execution rate higher, but in today's game the breakout pass to the middle ice is one of the main options. They are sometimes a good idea, even on the backhand, just maybe not for everyone.

 

[CBJx614]

I think we need our whole team to tighten up the D. Consistency on offense would be great but I don't believe the O is a major concern.

I'm thinking long term. The depth we added this year are very much temporary bodies in the system.

There is probably going to be an injury or two to some top 9 forwards even after Chinny and Jens come back.

A Nyquist type add would make a huge difference, I don't even think we need a big splash or huge trade to make our forward group lethal. The top line has been great. Go trade for the next Nyquist (or the original one, he could be had for a pick right now).

I didn't necessarily mean for this year, just moving forward beyond this year, we have a great core but those depth pieces are arguably just as important. Like you said we should basically be expecting 1-5(offense and defense)guys out at any one time. Some of those guys are filling that role nicely, but beyond this year I don't put much faith into most of them. The JVR, ZAR and Leblanc just feel like cap hits to get us where we need to be and I don't see being with the team beyond this year, same with Kuraly. I think he's falling off and will be replaced sooner rather than later and who knows what will happen with Pyythia. Hopefully Danforth can stay healthy but with his age you have to assume it's not going to magically get better. So that's basically the entire bottom 6 that needs replaced this off-season. They all have expiring contracts and it'll be an easy way for Waddell to put his stamp on the roster.

The way I see it we need a combination of those young guys taking the next step to fill one or two of those holes sometime next season and then we'll need to sign or trade for a few more to fill the others.

 

[majormajor]

Puljujarvi on waivers. I unironically think he's a good player. A very good bottom sixer. There's a possibility that his hips are starting to fail again, which has been his downfall each time in his career. He drives play forward really well with outstanding goals results, but starts to lose effectiveness when the hips become a problem, and then you find out he needs another double hip surgery. Of course there are a legion of haters who think they knew he was a bust all along, and have no idea about the recurring hip problem which is the only thing preventing him from being a valuable player.

I'd look into it and see if he's started a decline or if he's still fine. He's actually gotten good results in Pittsburgh (goals against very low, etc...) so I'm inclined to believe Pens fans who think Sullivan just doesn't like him.

There is probably going to be an injury or two to some top 9 forwards even after Chinny and Jens come back.

A Nyquist type add would make a huge difference, I don't even think we need a big splash or huge trade to make our forward group lethal. The top line has been great. Go trade for the next Nyquist (or the original one, he could be had for a pick right now).

Let me modify this a little bit. We have one of the best 5v5 offenses thanks to the topline, the scoring from the D, and an early burst in bottom six scoring. But it's dried up lately. We have one player in the bottom nine forwards who has 5 or more points in the last 10 games, and that's Kent Johnson. Fantilli has 2. Pyyhtia 3, Olivier, 4, everyone else 2 or less.

So our depth scoring is starting to look really bad. And we need more than one or two bodies to fix this. I would absolutely be bringing in Nyquist (or comparable vet), possibly two such players. I don't care if it costs us a couple 2nd or 3rd rounders, we have had plenty and the important thing for our rebuild is creating the best environment for our young players to succeed right now.

At the moment it's not a good situation for Fantilli. Though I think with him in particular, switching to Monahan's wing would do wonders. Switch him with Voronkov.

 

[majormajor]

I didn't necessarily mean for this year, just moving forward beyond this year, we have a great core but those depth pieces are arguably just as important. Like you said we should basically be expecting 1-5(offense and defense)guys out at any one time. Some of those guys are filling that role nicely, but beyond this year I don't put much faith into most of them. The JVR, ZAR and Leblanc just feel like cap hits to get us where we need to be and I don't see being with the team beyond this year, same with Kuraly. I think he's falling off and will be replaced sooner rather than later and who knows what will happen with Pyythia. Hopefully Danforth can stay healthy but with his age you have to assume it's not going to magically get better. So that's basically the entire bottom 6 that needs replaced this off-season. They all have expiring contracts and it'll be an easy way for Waddell to put his stamp on the roster.

The way I see it we need a combination of those young guys taking the next step to fill one or two of those holes sometime next season and then we'll need to sign or trade for a few more to fill the others.

I was responding more to your "big splash" comment, which I can now see wasn't your main point.

I don't want to turn over our whole bottom six. That amount of turnover is not good for the room socially or culturally. Keep Olivier, Danforth, ZAR, and Pyyhtia. They also happen to be good two way players, among other things. In a 14 man forward roster that still leaves room for Brindley, Malatesta, and LDBB to compete for a spot or two, assuming we have about 8 or 9 healthy forwards ahead of this group.

I don't think Wads has some great insight into bottom sixers across the NHL. He came in here, jettisoned many guys, and then waited, and waited, and ended up signing the three leftovers that no one else signed. Yes with more time for planning I'm sure Wads would have done better, but I don't like the presumption that we're going to be better if he's doing even more turnover. I suppose in other words, I don't want him to put his stamp on the roster.

 

[Napoli]

This dude is 30 years old.

Anyway, his contract is aging exactly as I thought it would the moment pen hit paper. Well done, Jarmo.

A 6 million dollar 3rd pairing dman who cant be trusted in pressure situations. Going to be a real brutal one in a couple of years. Luckily this team has cap so it honestly doesnt matter but come a couple years from now, its going to be ugly.

This isnt even the first coach who has benched him, its going to only get worse as he gets older.

 

[NotCommitted]

There was a thread on mains about fastest players according to Edge stats (top speed and speed bursts above 20 & 22mph per 60 for forwards) and Pulju was pretty high on those lists. If his hips are starting to fail him again, you'd think that would not be the case. But who knows. If he's healthy, I'd be all over him. He can be a bit frustrating player at times, but he plays responsibly and has been consistently great at tilting the ice when healthy. I think Fantilli for example could use someone like him on his wing.

 

[Canucks LB]

Q&A: Canucks GM Patrik Allvin expects more from top players in 2025

In 2024, the Canucks have given their fans much to be thankful for — but, they've also failed many nights to play to their standard. Iain MacIntyre sits down with GM Patrik Allvin to discuss why the team has struggled with consistency and reflect on the season thus far.

www.sportsnet.ca

This is absolutely blowing up in Vancouver right now by the way.
Looks like Pettersson is available
Allvin went on blast basically, Not sure what you guys would offer, or how seriously you would be interested, He would obviously need a Haul.
But, just thought I would share and get your guys opinions!
Not everyday a 90+ Center with great Defensive abilities becomes available.

Thoughts?

 

[majormajor]

Q&A: Canucks GM Patrik Allvin expects more from top players in 2025

In 2024, the Canucks have given their fans much to be thankful for — but, they've also failed many nights to play to their standard. Iain MacIntyre sits down with GM Patrik Allvin to discuss why the team has struggled with consistency and reflect on the season thus far.

www.sportsnet.ca

This is absolutely blowing up in Vancouver right now by the way.
Looks like Pettersson is available
Allvin went on blast basically, Not sure what you guys would offer, or how seriously you would be interested, He would obviously need a Haul.
But, just thought I would share and get your guys opinions!
Not everyday a 90+ Center with great Defensive abilities becomes available.

Thoughts?

I can see some desperate clubs jumping on the chance to get a player of that caliber, but for the Jackets, the $11.6m for an inconsistent moody player is just needless risk. We have a good thing building right now and don't need to gamble like that.

 

[Canucks LB]

I can see some desperate clubs jumping on the chance to get a player of that caliber, but for the Jackets, the $11.6m for an inconsistent moody player is just needless risk. We have a good thing building right now and don't need to gamble like that.

Fair enough!

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Q&A: Canucks GM Patrik Allvin expects more from top players in 2025

In 2024, the Canucks have given their fans much to be thankful for — but, they've also failed many nights to play to their standard. Iain MacIntyre sits down with GM Patrik Allvin to discuss why the team has struggled with consistency and reflect on the season thus far.

www.sportsnet.ca

This is absolutely blowing up in Vancouver right now by the way.
Looks like Pettersson is available
Allvin went on blast basically, Not sure what you guys would offer, or how seriously you would be interested, He would obviously need a Haul.
But, just thought I would share and get your guys opinions!
Not everyday a 90+ Center with great Defensive abilities becomes available.

Thoughts?

I'd love to see Columbus land Pettersson. Though I suspect a team like Carolina would once again offer Necas+ and I don't see Columbus topping that. A package from Columbus would be futures-oriented. If I'm allowed to spitball a first offer base: CBJ's 1st (top 5 protected), Provorov (50 % retained) and Sillinger? That won't do it, I understand, but I personally don't see Columbus offering up a guy like Kent Johnson at the moment.

EDIT: But I can see the FO reason like @majormajor described. And that might be for the better. However, let's not forget that the GM of Carolina that offered Necas+ for Pettersson was a certain D. Waddell.