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I think trading our pick is way over what I’m willing to do, personally. Even if it’s top 3 protected.

I’d obviously do the Minnesota pick + Provorov + something else but I wouldn’t trade our pick.
Agreed.
I put this trade out there in a K’Andre Miller thread on the trade board and a couple of people said it is unfair to the Jackets. I think it is a fair trade. What do you guys think?
Personally, I'd probably suggest something like Minnesota's 1st and then two of Sillinger, Del Bel Belluz, Svozil or Harris. For instance, MIN 2025 1st + Sillinger + Harris or MIN 2025 1st + Del Bel Belluz + Svozil. Maybe Provorov could be included, but that would probably require an extension? This would be a re-tool kind of move from the Rangers. And it might be wiser of Columbus to make separate trades and get a 1st for Provorov to spend elsewhere.
 
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I think trading our pick is way over what I’m willing to do, personally. Even if it’s top 3 protected.

I’d obviously do the Minnesota pick + Provorov + something else but I wouldn’t trade our pick.


I don’t think we get Miller without our first being the main part of the package.

We need a big experienced defenseman who will be here a long time. Miller is legit top 4 D on a good team who can kill penalties and has played over 300 NHL games. He turns 25 next month and has rarely missed games. This is exactly what we are looking for.

Agreed.

Personally, I'd probably suggest something like Minnesota's 1st and then two of Sillinger, Del Bel Belluz, Svozil or Harris. For instance, MIN 2025 1st + Sillinger + Harris or MIN 2025 1st + Del Bel Belluz + Svozil. Maybe Provorov could be included, but that would probably require an extension? This would be a re-tool kind of move from the Rangers. And it might be wiser of Columbus to make separate trades and get a 1st for Provorov to spend elsewhere.

I don’t think that gets Miller. And I would rather not mess with our forwards yet.
 

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I don’t think we get Miller without our first being the main part of the package.

We need a big experienced defenseman who will be here a long time. Miller is legit top 4 D on a good team who can kill penalties and has played over 300 NHL games. He turns 25 next month and has rarely missed games. This is exactly what we are looking for.



I don’t think that gets Miller. And I would rather not mess with our forwards yet.
On second thought, I rather think I would be open to having Columbus' pick as a base, but with a top 5 protection. And not with Minnesota's 1st or Provorov.

It may well be a moot point, though. Waddell has been pretty clear that they are not looking to trade the pick. Of course, everything has a price.
 

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I don’t think we get Miller without our first being the main part of the package.

We need a big experienced defenseman who will be here a long time. Miller is legit top 4 D on a good team who can kill penalties and has played over 300 NHL games. He turns 25 next month and has rarely missed games. This is exactly what we are looking for.



I don’t think that gets Miller. And I would rather not mess with our forwards yet.
I get that. But I also think we may have a guy like miller on the way in Mateychuk. If our pick is somewhere in the 7-10+ area? I’m open to it. But if it’s near top 5 I think I’d keep it
 

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• There’s no such thing as an easy road game for the Blue Jackets these days, but the schedule is going to be much kinder the rest of the way. In their first 15 games on the road schedule, including tonight’s game in Winnipeg, the Blue Jackets have played only three times in the Eastern time zone. Five games have been in the Pacific, four in the Central and three in the Mountain. It’s going to feel dramatically different the rest of the way, with 22 of the remaining 26 roadies in the same time zone (Eastern) as Columbus. Only twice (Vegas on Jan. 30 and Utah on Jan. 31) do they go further West than the Central time zone. In fact, after Feb. 2, the Blue Jackets won’t leave the Eastern time zone.

Item No. 1: Trouba pursuit

The Blue Jackets were among the clubs that pressed hard to acquire defenseman Jacob Trouba from the New York Rangers last week, but Trouba declined to remove Columbus from the list of clubs on the no-trade clause in his contract.
It was nothing personal. The Athletic has learned from a team official that Trouba refused to approve a trade to at least two other clubs in the Eastern Conference, including the Detroit Red Wings, before he signed off on a trade to the Anaheim Duckson Friday.

Another reason it wasn’t personal: Trouba’s wife, Kelly Tyson-Trouba, is a doctor of osteopathic medicine at a hospital in New York, with a residency that reportedly runs through July. It was important to them that Trouba’s next stop work well for both of their careers.

“Anaheim was one of the places my wife and I were interested in,” Trouba told reporters in Anaheim.

It’s unknown what the Blue Jackets were offering the Rangers for Trouba, but Blue Jackets GM Don Waddell’s interest in the player makes two issues abundantly clear:

1. Waddell is not content

The Blue Jackets blue line has been significantly altered since Waddell was hired in late May, and he’s still perusing the league for upgrades.

Waddell has acquired Dante Fabbro(waivers), Jack Johnson (free agent), Jordan Harris (trade with Montreal) and Daemon Hunt (trade with Minnesota).

Fabbro has found a home on the top defensive pairing with Zach Werenski, while Harris has settled into the left side of the third pair. Johnson has been in and out of the lineup on the third pair, and Hunt was assigned to AHL Cleveland just after the trade.

Meanwhile, Waddell moved Jake Bean, Nick Blankenburg, Adam Boqvist and David Jiricek in separate deals. Those four played a combined 164 games in Columbus last season, but Boqvist (Florida) and Bean (Calgary) are playing minor roles with their new teams, Blankenburg (Nashville) has mostly played in the minors, and Jiricek just landed with the Wild.

It’s unclear what Waddell had in mind for Trouba if he had landed him via trade, but, at $8 million per season, he likely would have played on the top pair next to Werenski.


Overall, it indicates Waddell is still active and willing to be aggressive.

2. More nasty needed

The Blue Jackets have Mathieu Olivier and Zach Aston-Reese, along with a few other forwards who can bring the heat in a physical game. But the Jackets aren’t always difficult to play against — they don’t initiate, for sure — and that’s especially true on the back end.

Ever since veteran Erik Gudbranson went out with a long-term shoulder injury in October, the Blue Jackets have lacked a true physical presence on the blue line. Skill and talent, sure, but not a lot of jam.

Trouba, one of the NHL’s few remaining open-ice hunters, would have changed the entire look of the Blue Jackets defense and, really, the entire roster. Olivier would have been a busy man.
 

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Miller fills the bill of adding size to the Defensive corp, but based on Waddell’s reported pursuit of Trouba I’m left wondering if he’s seeking someone with more snarl that Miller.
 

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Miller fills the bill of adding size to the Defensive corp, but based on Waddell’s reported pursuit of Trouba I’m left wondering if he’s seeking someone with more snarl that Miller.
More snarl or less trade value?

It’s gonna be somebody like Jones or Parayko [MOD]
 
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I get that. But I also think we may have a guy like miller on the way in Mateychuk. If our pick is somewhere in the 7-10+ area? I’m open to it. But if it’s near top 5 I think I’d keep it

My current guess is 8. Chicago, Nashville, Montreal, Anaheim, and San Jose are worse than us. We are in a group of other teams like Detroit, Pittsburgh, St Louis, and Utah that are battling for 6 to 12.

I think if they trade Miller it is an in season trade to shake things up and because they are far apart on the next contract. I think we have what they want - our pick and a Miller replacement in Provorov. Mateychuk plays LD3 to start and then maybe pairs with Miller.
 

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I don’t think we get Miller without our first being the main part of the package.

We need a big experienced defenseman who will be here a long time. Miller is legit top 4 D on a good team who can kill penalties and has played over 300 NHL games. He turns 25 next month and has rarely missed games. This is exactly what we are looking for.



I don’t think that gets Miller. And I would rather not mess with our forwards yet.
Its a weaker draft this year but that's still extremely spicy from our end. I would go top 8 protect it but any more than that it becomes too much of a deal from the Rangers POV.
 

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My current guess is 8. Chicago, Nashville, Montreal, Anaheim, and San Jose are worse than us. We are in a group of other teams like Detroit, Pittsburgh, St Louis, and Utah that are battling for 6 to 12....
While I don't necessarily disagree with your comment, I believe we are 0-4-1 in five games vs Nashville, Montreal, Anaheim and San Jose.
 
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Interesting. That screams that this team needs to learn how to beat the teams they are supposed to beat.
Correction...0-3-2 we had OT losses vs Nashville and San Jose. Don't know how I forgot Nashville was in OT, I was in the building in Nashville for the game.
 

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If we get to keep Fabbro - our defence looks like this for next year:

Werenski - Fabbro
X - Severson
X - Gudbranson
X

Then there are Mateychuk, (Christiansen), Harris and Hunt, maybe even Svozil competing for those spots that are left.

Unless there is a hockey trade out there that can shape our defence, we should just stick to our guns and stay away from UFA D-market.
 

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If silly is out for a few games, I’d rather call up LDBB than put Pyyhtia back in. He just doesn’t do enough offensively to replace Silly in my opinion. If a guy like JVR, Labanc, or Kuraly got hurt? Then yeah, pyyhtia can come in. But ultimately I think pyyhtia will be evasons pick because he can easily pick up Silly’s Pk minutes.
 

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If silly is out for a few games, I’d rather call up LDBB than put Pyyhtia back in. He just doesn’t do enough offensively to replace Silly in my opinion. If a guy like JVR, Labanc, or Kuraly got hurt? Then yeah, pyyhtia can come in. But ultimately I think pyyhtia will be evasons pick because he can easily pick up Silly’s Pk minutes.
Agree, LDBB has earned a shot with his AHL play and there is a big opportunity to find out if we have someone ready to step in and contribute ahead of the trade deadline. If we have him in the wings and Jenner coming back it's going to be an interesting offseason/trade deadline as we are going to have a very full forward group with significant players like LDBB and Brindley pushing hard for roster spots, along with the need to upgrade the blue line and Goal.

Chinikov-Monahan-Marchenko
Jenner-Fantilli-Johnson
Voronkov-Sillinger-Olivier
 

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If silly is out for a few games, I’d rather call up LDBB than put Pyyhtia back in. He just doesn’t do enough offensively to replace Silly in my opinion. If a guy like JVR, Labanc, or Kuraly got hurt? Then yeah, pyyhtia can come in. But ultimately I think pyyhtia will be evasons pick because he can easily pick up Silly’s Pk minutes.
DBB or brindley for sure should get a look. i'd love to see something like:

johnson - monahan - marchenko​
van riemsdyk - fantilli - brindley​
chinakhov - voronkov - lebanc​
aston-reese - danforth - olivier​

or, if it's DBB:

van riemsdyk - monahan - johnson​
voronkov - fantilli - marchenko​
chinakhov - dbb - danforth​
aston-reese - kuraly - olivier​
 
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DBB or brindley for sure should get a look. i'd love to see something like:

johnson - monahan - marchenko​
van riemsdyk - fantilli - brindley​
chinakhov - voronkov - lebanc​
aston-reese - danforth - olivier​

or, if it's DBB:

van riemsdyk - monahan - johnson​
voronkov - fantilli - marchenko​
chinakhov - dbb - danforth​
aston-reese - kuraly - olivier​
What is the obsession with having JVR in our top 6? There’s a reason we got him for free.
 
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What is the obsession with having JVR in our top 6? There’s a reason we got him for free.
in the first example (calling up brindley) he's there to give veteran support on a line with two young players. basically letting brindley and fantilli play they way they did at michigan, and letting JVR do the dirty work down low.

in the second example it's keeping together a line that has dominated in the last two games:
  • dominating in shot attempts (34-14 edge)
  • dominating in scoring chances (19-6)
  • dominating in high danger chances (6-3)
  • elite CF/60 numbers at both ends – 103 (!!!!) for, 42 against
  • same with SCF/60 (57 for, 18 against)
monahan clearly works with everyone but that line definitely works. only reason why i didn't have them together in the first example is because i'd only want to play brindley at RW, which would break up KJ and JVR.
 

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If we get to keep Fabbro - our defence looks like this for next year:

Werenski - Fabbro
X - Severson
X - Gudbranson
X

Then there are Mateychuk, (Christiansen), Harris and Hunt, maybe even Svozil competing for those spots that are left.

Unless there is a hockey trade out there that can shape our defence, we should just stick to our guns and stay away from UFA D-market.
I still believe you can make Provorov work as he’s only 26 and unless he’s got completely unrealistic demands. If we can sign him for $5-6m AAV that’s an incredible deal. He’s not exactly lighting the league on fire to demand more and we have tons of cap space so why not use it on a guy who’s already proven himself in the current system.
 
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