Confirmed with Link: CBJ Re-Sign Jones [6 years, 5.4M AAV]

major major

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So do the Jackets head into the season with a top 3 of

Jones-Murray

Savard- Werenski

Johnson-Prout?

Top 3?

And no you're getting the positions all wrong. And who knows if Werenski will pass JJ or if Prout will win the final job over Golo or one of the LHD (Kukan, Harrington, etc...)
 

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It was never worth talking about or contemplating. It was a non-issue, much like the cap issue.
It's one of those things that comes up when one has little or no faith in the front office. As in, it should be a nonissue, but sometimes when you have bad management nonissues become actual issues.

Glad to see that wasn't the case here.
 

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I confess I cannot see any real reason for the skepticism beyond "nothing in life is certain".

This. He hardly even needs to improve for it to be a fair deal now, in my opinion. Maybe a little ;)
 

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It's one of those things that comes up when one has little or no faith in the front office. As in, it should be a nonissue, but sometimes when you have bad management nonissues become actual issues.

Glad to see that wasn't the case here.

It was a no-brainer. They might be performing below my expectations, but they aren't total morons. This was a walk-in-the-park.
 

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IMO Jones is the biggest "piece" to our brick wall. Great contract that will look amazing in 3 years once Jones hits his prime and the team is ready to compete.

Now, if they can clear out the rest of the dead weight (Boll/Campbell - preferably not a buyout, but a trade for future considerations with no salary retention) and create some more cap space, that would put a cap off on a very, very solid day.
 

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Gotta love the consistency of the "gotta earn it" philosophy of the FO when it comes to RFAs.
 

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Pleased to see this. I do think Jones will keep progressing to be a #1.
 

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Jones said the right things - now here is to hoping his play continues to go where this contract puts it.
 

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The Jackets do long term deals based on short term performance or worse, potential. I hope he does well but let's face it he is being paid like Duncan Keith and Brent Burns on very little evidence that he is in that league. There is a reason why the CBJ are a 27th placed cap team. A 27th placed cap team!!!!
 

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The Jackets do long term deals based on short term performance or worse, potential. I hope he does well but let's face it he is being paid like Duncan Keith and Brent Burns on very little evidence that he is in that league. There is a reason why the CBJ are a 27th placed cap team. A 27th placed cap team!!!!

:shakehead

How much do you think Keith and Burns would be paid right now if their contracts were up?

The reason you have so many underpaid guys like them and like Josi and Faulk out there is because teams anticipate the potential and lock guys up.

If you're not paying for what you expect to happen, you're paying for what happened in the past and that's a terrible way to run a team.
 

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The Jackets do long term deals based on short term performance or worse, potential. I hope he does well but let's face it he is being paid like Duncan Keith and Brent Burns on very little evidence that he is in that league. There is a reason why the CBJ are a 27th placed cap team. A 27th placed cap team!!!!

Im kinda hoping you missed a :sarcasm: ...
 

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Yeah, he's paid like he's currently the 35th highest cap hit in the league. If we paid him less on a bridge deal we'd have complaining that he'd cost more in 2 or 3 years.

You really can't win.

We knew to lock him up long term and gain cap certainty you would overpay the first couple of years. This is how the league works.

We traded Johansen for him, we were going to sign him long term. Said it when the trade happened - we went all in.
 

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:shakehead

How much do you think Keith and Burns would be paid right now if their contracts were up?

The reason you have so many underpaid guys like them and like Josi and Faulk out there is because teams anticipate the potential and lock guys up.

If you're not paying for what you expect to happen, you're paying for what happened in the past and that's a terrible way to run a team.

I read this a couple of years from a European poster. It made a lot of sense then and it still makes sense to me.

Plus you have to understand the way business is done in today's NHL.
Like major said above the trend is to lock up your good, young, expected to get much better players.

The problem contracts, imo, occur in situations like Foligno, who it seems to me got a better deal by what he was doing rather than his past or his future. Unless of course someone thought he miraculously turned into a 70 pt player.
 

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I read this a couple of years from a European poster. It made a lot of sense then and it still makes sense to me.

Plus you have to understand the way business is done in today's NHL.
Like major said above the trend is to lock up your good, young, expected to get much better players.

The problem contracts, imo, occur in situations like Foligno, who it seems to me got a better deal by what he was doing rather than his past or his future. Unless of course someone thought he miraculously turned into a 70 pt player.

The NHL hasn't always been this future forward. Been thinking about this a lot lately.

Do any of my fellow old timers around here remember when MacLean signed Nash to his 2nd contract? It was somewhere around $5m per I think. (working from memory here, not researching). That was back when teams had much tighter controls on young players. The big contracts wouldn't come until you were 27-28 (again, I think).
Posters freaked the F out, called MacLean a moron (which he was, but not in this case), accused him of ruining the league and kicking open the door to overpay players who haven't "earned" it.
Anyone else remember that?
 

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