Proposal: (CBJ/PHI) MacDonald for Clarkson

[lanceuppercut75]

Was thinking about this today. Both 4 years remaining, MacDonald @ $5.0M and Clarkson at $5.25M.


A. MacDONALD (0 or 5 percent retained)
for
D. CLARKSON (0 or 5 percent retained)


Flyers do it because...
- They want to make room for young Dmen
- Davy could rebound (15G), Andy won't (top 4).
- Pipeline isn't very stocked at RW anyways
- Clarkson is a "Flyers" kind of player

Blue Jackets do it because...
- Clarkson can't stay healthy it seems
- MacDonald isn't "buyout proof" like Clarkson
- Lots of wingers (now + future)
- After J. Johnson leaves, D is very young

Could this work as a realistic deal or a basis for one?

EDIT
This is assuming Clarkson would be willing to waive his NMC for the expansion draft. It's not like Vegas will choose him so IMO he might agree.

OR this is assuming this takes place next summer after the expansion draft has already happened.

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[Maukkis]

I'd imagine that Philly wants nothing to do with a NMC forward at this point.

 

[Pyromaniac]

Clarkson is on LTIR, is he not? So he doesn't have to be protected seeing as Pronger/Savard/Horton don't have to either. Think the Jackets turn this down, Flyers probably accept assuming Clarkson's career is over.

 

[Balthazar]

Clarkson has "back pain" and probably won't ever play again. He's going to sit in the LTIR and enjoy his money for the rest of his contract then retire in silence.

 

[Vikke]

As a Flyers fan - no thanks. The LTIR circus is something we experienced with Pronger and it's a mess. I'd rather have an overpaid AMac playing than an overpaid and LTIR'd Clarkson not playing.

 

[Starat327]

Was thinking about this today. Both 4 years remaining, MacDonald @ $5.0M and Clarkson at $5.25M.


A. MacDONALD (0 or 5 percent retained)
for
D. CLARKSON (0 or 5 percent retained)


Flyers do it because...
- They want to make room for young Dmen
- Davy could rebound (15G), Andy won't (top 4).
- Pipeline isn't very stocked at RW anyways
- Clarkson is a "Flyers" kind of player

Blue Jackets do it because...
- Clarkson can't stay healthy it seems
- MacDonald isn't "buyout proof" like Clarkson
- Lots of wingers (now + future)
- After J. Johnson leaves, D is very young

Could this work as a realistic deal or a basis for one?

EDIT
This is assuming Clarkson would be willing to waive his NMC for the expansion draft. It's not like Vegas will choose him so IMO he might agree.

OR this is assuming this takes place next summer after the expansion draft has already happened.

Saying the flyers arent deep at RW is a joke. I'll let you do your own research to figure out who we have that can play RW. Also, Clarkson is as much a 'flyers' style player as we need a legit #1 goalie. Please stop living in the 70s and 80s.

Macdonald has as much, if not more of, a chance to rebound to a middle pairing defenseman than Clarkson does of being a productive middle 6 winger. He showed this last year when he was playing 20 minutes a night down the stretch when we lost MDZ to injury, and we made the playoffs.

And lastly, the hope is that Vegas takes Macdonald, as a middle pairing D. If not, we'll use his non-buyout proof contract to our own advantage.

This deal is absolute garbage for the flyers in quite literally every way possible.

 

[Viqsi]

This might have been more enticing when Clarkson wasn't going to end up on LTIR. As it is, it appears to make very little sense for either team.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

We'll take the guy on LTIR

 

[BB88]

Can't think of a reason for why Columbus would say yes to this proposal.

 

[1865]

We'll take the guy on LTIR

Don't you have to protect him?

 

[Pyromaniac]

Don't you have to protect him?

Pronger, Savard and Horton are exempt from protection. I assume if Clarkson's career is indeed over, he will join that group.

 

[1865]

Pronger, Savard and Horton are exempt from protection. I assume if Clarkson's career is indeed over, he will join that group.

Is there an official ruling on this?

EDIT: It seems so.

Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a club's player exposure requirements, unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection by the League.

Wonderfully vague.

 

[Jumptheshark]

why would philly take on the extra cap hit?

 

[Curufinwe]

CBJ don't have to protect Clarkson, so they're good. They don't need to move him.

Hextall and the Flyers would much rather have MacDonald than a guy with a bigger cap hit who can't play.

No reason for a trade here.

 

[Juicy Pop]

The NMC and LTIR make this a no go in addition to the fact that we need to keep one of AMac or Manning to meet the draft exposure requirements.

On top of that, there is a scenario in 2019 where Philly buys out AMac [1.166M in '19-20 and 1.916M in '20-21] to help with signing several of the RFAs [Konency, Provorov, and Sanheim]. A similar buyout with Clarkson would hang the Flyers with cap hits of 4.583M in '19-20 and 0.333M in '20-21.

The Flyers don't do this without a huge add on the part of the Jackets.

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Flyers do it because...
- They want to make room for young Dmen
- Davy could rebound (15G), Andy won't (top 4).
- Pipeline isn't very stocked at RW anyways
- Clarkson is a "Flyers" kind of player

27 Voracek [RW/LW]
25 Schenn [RW/C/LW]
28 Simmonds [RW]
19 Konecny [RW/C/LW]
28 Weise [RW]
30 Read [RW/LW]
20 Aube-Kubel [RW/C]
24 Straka [RW/LW]

The Flyers just happen to have a lot of flexible players.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

The Jackets finally have an out for dealing with the Horton/Clarkson debacle...why in the world would they throw that chance away by trading him for an almost equally bad contract?

 

[Rebels57]

Was thinking about this today. Both 4 years remaining, MacDonald @ $5.0M and Clarkson at $5.25M.


A. MacDONALD (0 or 5 percent retained)
for
D. CLARKSON (0 or 5 percent retained)


Flyers do it because...
- They want to make room for young Dmen
- Davy could rebound (15G), Andy won't (top 4).
- Pipeline isn't very stocked at RW anyways
- Clarkson is a "Flyers" kind of player

Blue Jackets do it because...
- Clarkson can't stay healthy it seems
- MacDonald isn't "buyout proof" like Clarkson
- Lots of wingers (now + future)
- After J. Johnson leaves, D is very young

Could this work as a realistic deal or a basis for one?

EDIT
This is assuming Clarkson would be willing to waive his NMC for the expansion draft. It's not like Vegas will choose him so IMO he might agree.

OR this is assuming this takes place next summer after the expansion draft has already happened.

First bolded point is just terribly wrong. The Flyers current top 3 RW's are as follows:

Line 1: Wayne Simmonds
Line 2: Jake Voracek
Line 3: Dale Weise

Then you have Brayden Schenn and Travis Konecny, both of whom are natural RW's, playing LW.

Second bolded point NEEDS TO STOP BEING SAID FOR THE LOVE OF ****!

There is no such thing as a "FLYERS TYPE PLAYER"

This is not 1975.

 

[Tripod]

The Flyers will keep the awful Dman that has 8 points, +11, and plays 20 minutes a night in his last 30 games.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Wow @ animosity in this thread. If Columbus gets free ticket on LTIR Clarkson then why would they even consider adding another awful contract to their cap. And while LTIR ain't no fun, it's hell of a lot better than dead cap space.

Also as much as Clarkson is flyers type of player he has nothing on MacDonald as a Tortorella type of a player.

 

[Moose Head]

I'd imagine that Philly wants nothing to do with a NMC forward at this point.

If he waives it to go to philly I'm pretty sure it gets voided.

 

[Starat327]

If he waives it to go to philly I'm pretty sure it gets voided.

Moot point, really. We paid to get rid of the Pronger contract to avoid playing the LTIR game every year. We're not gonna jump back in it just to 'rid' ourselves of a defenseman who isn't nearly as bad as HF seems to think. Overpaid, sure. But still a decent #5 or #6, at a minimum.

 

[Curufinwe]

CBJ will have to look elsewhere to get the help on defense they need so badly. This is what happens when you trade Jeff Carter for Jack Johnson.

 

[Vikke]

If he waives it to go to philly I'm pretty sure it gets voided.

It doesn't.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

The NMC and LTIR make this a no go in addition to the fact that we need to keep one of AMac or Manning to meet the draft exposure requirements.

On top of that, there is a scenario in 2019 where Philly buys out AMac [1.166M in '19-20 and 1.916M in '20-21] to help with signing several of the RFAs [Konency, Provorov, and Sanheim]. A similar buyout with Clarkson would hang the Flyers with cap hits of 4.583M in '19-20 and 0.333M in '20-21.

The Flyers don't do this without a huge add on the part of the Jackets.



27 Voracek [RW/LW]
25 Schenn [RW/C/LW]
28 Simmonds [RW]
19 Konecny [RW/C/LW]
28 Weise [RW]
30 Read [RW/LW]
20 Aube-Kubel [RW/C]
24 Straka [RW/LW]

The Flyers just happen to have a lot of flexible players.

My wording wasn't the best. I was trying to imply that Clarkson would only potentially be blocking Aube-Kubel and Straka from making the NHL as RW, whixh isn't as bad as it could be. For example 2015 Leafs RW prospect situation (Nylander Marner Leivo Brown Hyman Kapanen).

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

CBJ will have to look elsewhere to get the help on defense they need so badly. This is what happens when you trade Jeff Carter for Jack Johnson.

I don't think they're looking for help on the blue line anymore...

Jones, Werenski, Murray, Savard and Johnson are a significantly better top-5 on D than what they iced last season.