CBJ Offseason '16 (All FA/trade/roster discussion/blog rumor/proposals/etc here)

[EDM]

You know, I have been kind of away from this site for a couple of months watching baseball. And, except for the interesting discussion about recreational drug use, all of you are still arguing the same points you were arguing on Memorial Day.

 

[Monk]

You know, I have been kind of away from this site for a couple of months watching baseball. And, except for the interesting discussion about recreational drug use, all of you are still arguing the same points you were arguing on Memorial Day.

Good to see you, too, Electronic Dance Music

 

[Samkow]

You know, I have been kind of away from this site for a couple of months watching baseball. And, except for the interesting discussion about recreational drug use, all of you are still arguing the same points you were arguing on Memorial Day.

It's been the dullest offseason in CBJ history. And that's saying something.

 

[FlavortownGrinder]

They just need to keep Stoll away from Dubi. Good thing Cracknell is gone.

It took me 15 minutes to get this.

...I literally ROFL'd.

 

[The Jones Zone]

It's been the dullest offseason in CBJ history. And that's saying something.

I agree....my theory is after last season CBJ fans are willing to except whatever happens this season. Minimal optimism....prepared for another season full of disappointments .

The first 10 games of the season are more important to the Jackets than any other team. Another catastrophic start to the season and Nationwide will be a Ghost town like we've never seen before.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

You know, I have been kind of away from this site for a couple of months watching baseball. And, except for the interesting discussion about recreational drug use, all of you are still arguing the same points you were arguing on Memorial Day.

Every argument on here is circular and always ends up in the same place: putting Clarkson on LTIR or having him picked in the expansion draft

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Every argument on here is circular and always ends up in the same place: putting Clarkson on LTIR or having him picked in the expansion draft

According to Porty's article Clarkson is good to go for camp. So LTIR isn't an option.

 

[Old Guy]

According to Porty's article Clarkson is good to go for camp. So LTIR isn't an option.

Give him a practice - maybe two.

 

[The Jones Zone]

Give him a practice - maybe two.

the 2 mile run might be enough..we can only hope

 

[JacketsDavid]

Give him a practice - maybe two.

Who gets hurt first Bob or Clarkson?

 

[EDM]

It was interesting to read that "Dark Blue Jacket" is experiencing the same pre-season doldrums that appear to be felt by most around here. So I guess we should just accept that those doldrums are valid.

 

[Old Guy]

Who gets hurt first Bob or Clarkson?

Clarkson - chronic back

Not Bob - they now have The Groin Whisperer.

 

[NotWendell]

Trouba wants out of Winnipeg. RHD. Should we get him? The bad part is his agent is Overhardt.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jacob-troubas-agent-says-client-requested-trade/

 

[major major]

Trouba wants out of Winnipeg. RHD. Should we get him? The bad part is his agent is Overhardt.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jacob-troubas-agent-says-client-requested-trade/

Nope. If this was a year ago you know I'd be all over it, but we're set on young D pieces now. That and I don't think he's better than Murray or Jones, as far as young D go, or better than Jones or Savard, as far as RHD go.

 

[Viqsi]

Trouba wants out of Winnipeg. RHD. Should we get him? The bad part is his agent is Overhardt.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jacob-troubas-agent-says-client-requested-trade/

The only scenario that comes to mind in which it would be useful for us to pursue such a thing is if we feel like we can get Trouba for a deal with JJ as the centerpiece, and subsequently flip Trouba or Savard for an upgrade at C.

That requires a lot to go our way, though, so I wouldn't be holding my breath.

 

[Nanabijou]

Yes, pass on Trouba. Good player but we are pretty covered at RHD and I don't want the Overhardt headache.

 

[Viqsi]

The only scenario that comes to mind in which it would be useful for us to pursue such a thing is if we feel like we can get Trouba for a deal with JJ as the centerpiece, and subsequently flip Trouba or Savard for an upgrade at C.

That requires a lot to go our way, though, so I wouldn't be holding my breath.

So I finally bit the bullet and came up with an example of what that might look like. I still think it astronomically unlikely and a bit risky on our part even if things go our way, but, hey, it lets us get in on the latest feeding frenzy.

 

[Jackets16]

Trouba wants out of Winnipeg. RHD. Should we get him? The bad part is his agent is Overhardt.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jacob-troubas-agent-says-client-requested-trade/

Huge pass. He isn't a need, we are already spending (will be spending) a lot of money on defensemen, and I want nothing to do with his agent. Not worth the assets (players/picks traded and money).

 

[MAHJ71]

Huge pass. He isn't a need, we are already spending (will be spending) a lot of money on defensemen, and I want nothing to do with his agent. Not worth the assets (players/picks traded and money).

This.. and while he's talented, I'd rather see how things go this year with the D before giving up a big piece to get him.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

So I finally bit the bullet and came up with an example of what that might look like. I still think it astronomically unlikely and a bit risky on our part even if things go our way, but, hey, it lets us get in on the latest feeding frenzy.

I wouldn't mind this, but I think sending Prout along with Savard to EDM is too much, I would rather lose a pick or low-end prospect.

In this scenario, I would also look to target Matt Duchene instead of RNH.

edit: actually, I'm not sure if Colorado is looking for a RHD with both EJ and Barrie locked up. I guess that RNH would be the more logical option.

 

[CBJSlash]

There is no reason we shouldn't be involved him conversations. If we think he's better than Savard, we explore these talks and move Savard. We'd have no difficulty moving him.

 

[Jackets16]

I wouldn't mind this, but I think sending Prout along with Savard to EDM is too much, I would rather lose a pick or low-end prospect.

In this scenario, I would also look to target Matt Duchene instead of RNH.

edit: actually, I'm not sure if Colorado is looking for a RHD with both EJ and Barrie locked up. I guess that RNH would be the more logical option.

I'd rather have Savard than RNH. I'd definitely rather have all of those pieces than RNH. He isn't even close to worth that even if he was on a better contract.

 

[Jackets16]

There is no reason we shouldn't be involved him conversations. If we think he's better than Savard, we explore these talks and move Savard. We'd have no difficulty moving him.

Is he better than Savard though? It would cost more to trade for him than we would probably get for Savard and he will cost more in contract than Savard. Why give up more assets (players/picks and money) just to maybe upgrade a position that doesn't need to be upgraded?

 

[Viqsi]

I wouldn't mind this, but I think sending Prout along with Savard to EDM is too much, I would rather lose a pick or low-end prospect.

Prout is necessary for cap purposes.

In this scenario, I would also look to target Matt Duchene instead of RNH.

edit: actually, I'm not sure if Colorado is looking for a RHD with both EJ and Barrie locked up. I guess that RNH would be the more logical option.

...beat me to it.

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I'd rather have Savard than RNH. I'd definitely rather have all of those pieces than RNH. He isn't even close to worth that even if he was on a better contract.

Straight up I don't disagree, but in this scenario we've replaced Savard with Folger's Crystals Trouba.
"Let's see if he notices!"

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Is he better than Savard though? It would cost more to trade for him than we would probably get for Savard and he will cost more in contract than Savard. Why give up more assets (players/picks and money) just to maybe upgrade a position that doesn't need to be upgraded?

I do think C could use an upgrade. This isn't the sort of thing that I would pursue all that heavily tho - if the price is going to get significantly higher (and I suspect it would), then we say "oh well, we tried" and move on.

Part of what's awkward about it is finding a decent C that actually is an upgrade on a team that 1) can afford to move such a guy and 2) has a need at RHD. There's surprisingly few.

 

[Jackets16]

I get that. I'd rather have Savard (and everything else you have us trading) than Trouba and RNH. I just don't think Trouba is an upgrade on Savard and I don't think RNH is enough of an upgrade on our centers for what he is making.