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Player Discussion Cayden Primeau Part II

Estimated_Prophet said:
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lt is almost always mental with goaltenders that are his age.

I would absolutely call him up and send Dobes down. Dobes still has many technical issues and teams are starting to exploit him. Primeau is far more technically sound and clearly has regained his confidence.
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Ideally you want Dobes in net when Laval starts their playoffs. I doubt Primeau gets another chance however, that ship has sailed.
 
Now we know why Marty didn't want to play Dobes. Send Dobes down to Laval, where he'll see lots of rubber. Get his form back like Primeau did. Call up Primeau, hope for hot streak out of him.
 
DAChampion said:
Primeau 's play in Laval since being sent down has been very good. I think he's earned himself another chance.
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People who are giving up on Primeau just don't get it. This is not an atypical development curve for a good NHL goaltender and he very well could be an NHL stud just as easily as he might never find the consistency that he has been searching for.

Letting Primeau walk after all of the development time only to have him blossom elsewhere is a very real possibility and I think we need to try and keep him even if that means Dobes starting in Laval next season. Of course this is all contingent on Primeau signing a short/cheap deal as he certainly will have garnered NHL wide interest again.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
People who are giving up on Primeau just don't get it. This is not an atypical development curve for a good NHL goaltender and he very well could be an NHL stud just as easily as he might never find the consistency that he has been searching for.

Letting Primeau walk after all of the development time only to have him blossom elsewhere is a very real possibility and I think we need to try and keep him even if that means Dobes starting in Laval next season. Of course this is all contingent on Primeau signing a short/cheap deal as he certainly will have garnered NHL wide interest again.
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I agree; look no further than Montembeault and Lindgren.
 
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If they do want to give him another look next season in the NHL after his very strong AHL play, the leash needs to be very very short this time.

Don’t we want Fowler playing the most games in the AHL next season?
Dobes has done enough to warrant his shot again as an NHL back up imo, while Primeau has consistently blown it. Can’t send Dobes down because Primeau finally found his game down there, then put Fowler ahead of Dobes down there too. I guess it’s a good problem to have, but I don’t know what the answer is.

If Primeau gets one final look with the big club next season, as soon as he has 2 shakey games that cost us points.. just take the loss and cut ties. Clock has nearly ran out with us. Can’t hang onto all the goalies because one of them might be better than the other in the future. Dobes has been better as Monty’s back up now.
Dobes has stole the Habs big games. Primeau was costing the Habs games.
 
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Dagistitsyn said:
If they do want to give him another look next season in the NHL after his very strong AHL play, the leash needs to be very very short this time.

Don’t we want Fowler playing the most games in the AHL next season?
Dobes has done enough to warrant his shot again as an NHL back up imo, while Primeau has consistently blown it. Can’t send Dobes down because Primeau finally found his game down there, then put Fowler ahead of Dobes down there too. I guess it’s a good problem to have, but I don’t know what the answer is.

If Primeau gets one final look with the big club next season, as soon as he has 2 shakey games that cost us points.. just take the loss and cut ties. Clock has nearly ran out with us. Can’t hang onto all the goalies because one of them might be better than the other in the future. Dobes has been better as Monty’s back up now.
Dobes has stole the Habs big games. Primeau was costing the Habs games.
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I think that Dobes has the backup position until he loses it.

Primeau gets another chance if there's an injury or someone wants a goalie in a trade.

In the meantime he can play 35 games in the AHL, not the worst situation.
 
Estimated_Prophet said:
People who are giving up on Primeau just don't get it. This is not an atypical development curve for a good NHL goaltender and he very well could be an NHL stud just as easily as he might never find the consistency that he has been searching for.

Letting Primeau walk after all of the development time only to have him blossom elsewhere is a very real possibility and I think we need to try and keep him even if that means Dobes starting in Laval next season. Of course this is all contingent on Primeau signing a short/cheap deal as he certainly will have garnered NHL wide interest again.
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Primeau doesn't have much choice as he'll still be RFA. If Kent wants him back, he'll be back.

Then has you have alluded to, there's the waiver issue.

Dagistitsyn said:
If they do want to give him another look next season in the NHL after his very strong AHL play, the leash needs to be very very short this time.

Don’t we want Fowler playing the most games in the AHL next season?
Dobes has done enough to warrant his shot again as an NHL back up imo, while Primeau has consistently blown it. Can’t send Dobes down because Primeau finally found his game down there, then put Fowler ahead of Dobes down there too. I guess it’s a good problem to have, but I don’t know what the answer is.

If Primeau gets one final look with the big club next season, as soon as he has 2 shakey games that cost us points.. just take the loss and cut ties. Clock has nearly ran out with us. Can’t hang onto all the goalies because one of them might be better than the other in the future. Dobes has been better as Monty’s back up now.
Dobes has stole the Habs big games. Primeau was costing the Habs games.
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Fight it out at camp, loser goes to the AHL.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
People who are giving up on Primeau just don't get it. This is not an atypical development curve for a good NHL goaltender and he very well could be an NHL stud just as easily as he might never find the consistency that he has been searching for.

Letting Primeau walk after all of the development time only to have him blossom elsewhere is a very real possibility and I think we need to try and keep him even if that means Dobes starting in Laval next season. Of course this is all contingent on Primeau signing a short/cheap deal as he certainly will have garnered NHL wide interest again.
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Blossoming up somewhere else is not an issue if we trade him against a significant asset. If Laval goes deep we should trade him during the summer when his value is at its highest because otherwise, if he loses the battle against Dobes in camp we would lose him for nothing.
 
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Stats: 21-2-2

Save Percentage: 0.927

Goals against average: 1.96

Best GAA and SAV% in a season
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Paddyjack said:
Blossoming up somewhere else is not an issue if we trade him against a significant asset. If Laval goes deep we should trade him during the summer when his value is at its highest because otherwise, if he loses the battle against Dobes in camp we would lose him for nothing.
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Even if he goes on a run he will have very little trade value as goalies typically do not garner significant returns. I definitely agree that there is a tough decision on the horizon as he likely won't clear waivers again.

I would bring him to camp and if he plays well I give him the backup job and let Dobes and Fowler split AHL duties. He is right at that age where goalies can really blossom and he has shown enough signs with Laval and with how he finished last season in Montreal. I prefer him to Dobes from a technical standpoint and if he can find some real consistency he can be an NHL starter. People need to understand that Primeau's route to an NHL goaltender is hardly atypical and we should sctually expect him to become a legitimate NHLer in the very near future.

If he blows up again we send him back to Laval as he likely clears waivers if he has a bad spot. Considering the measly return that he would command over the summer it is smarter to roll the dice with him again and hope that his potential hits while Dobes is still waiver eligible. Then we have two goalies with NHL success (Dobes and Primeau) that will have at least some trade value while Fowler continues to develop in the background.

Imo two of Fowler, Dobes and Primeau will be gone in the next 2-3 seasons and likely for underwhelming returns in trades so it is our best interest to keep all 3 for as long as possible to make sure that we keep the right one as goaltender development is incredibly unpredictable. The only way to do this is to keep Primeau in Montreal to start next season.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
Even if he goes on a run he will have very little trade value as goalies typically do not garner significant returns. I definitely agree that there is a tough decision on the horizon as he likely won't clear waivers again.

I would bring him to camp and if he plays well I give him the backup job and let Dobes and Fowler split AHL duties. He is right at that age where goalies can really blossom and he has shown enough signs with Laval and with how he finished last season in Montreal. I prefer him to Dobes from a technical standpoint and if he can find some real consistency he can be an NHL starter. People need to understand that Primeau's route to an NHL goaltender is hardly atypical and we should sctually expect him to become a legitimate NHLer in the very near future.

If he blows up again we send him back to Laval as he likely clears waivers if he has a bad spot. Considering the measly return that he would command over the summer it is smarter to roll the dice with him again and hope that his potential hits while Dobes is still waiver eligible. Then we have two goalies with NHL success (Dobes and Primeau) that will have at least some trade value while Fowler continues to develop in the background.

Imo two of Fowler, Dobes and Primeau will be gone in the next 2-3 seasons and likely for underwhelming returns in trades so it is our best interest to keep all 3 for as long as possible to make sure that we keep the right one as goaltender development is incredibly unpredictable. The only way to do this is to keep Primeau in Montreal to start next season.
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I kinda agree because this is what should make sense. But the reality however is that we have MSL as coach and he has been burned by Primeau many times. And we know he is stubborn. So what it means is that Primeau will fight a very very unfair uphill battle in September, and likely lose it unless Dobes is very very bad. And we will lose him for nothing. So for these reasons I would trade him this summer while his value is at the highest to a team looking for a goaltender.

Even if he develops into a NHL goalie, I don't think Primeau will be something else than a good backup, a bit like Lindgren. So best to get the most we can for him ASAP
 
Unless they see him as the NHL backup next season, they have to trade him this offseason. There is no chance he makes it past waivers with the ahl stats he has.
 
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