Confirmed with Link: Caufield extended for 8 years ($7.85M AAV)

26Mats

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Like I said many times

Suzuki money , good signature . People who thinking he was getting 9m+ were delusional.

Hischier and many players are 7.8m will be good deals in 2-3 years
Hopefully we can get Dubois at this price. This is the right price to have your stars locked in at to have a deep team that can win.
 
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sandviper

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So Petry was a bad contract he left? How come that bad contract got you, Matheson, in return?

Dude, you need to read through and not be so selective, considering you quoted what I prefaced it with. I specifically said at the time of his firing. At that time, there was no intention to move Petry. There‘s also been a number of analysts (at least the ones that came on Sirrius NHL Network) who have stated that wasn’t a good trade. Contract too high, Petry too old. If anything, it is credit to Hughes for moving that contract.

I know Dadonov, and then Gurianov weren’t great acquisitions but it was some good work unloading the Weber contract.

So to the earlier point, most of the team is Bergy’s handiwork, but Hughes still has considerable work to do.

Anyhow, as for Caufield, not sure how all this was sold but on the surface, he may had left money on the table so that we can build this team. As we shed the remaining contracts from the previous management, we can build from him and Suzuki out.
 

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Every time I see the first video, it just reinforces to me that Trevor Timmons was the guy making all the calls. Bergevin literally defers every decision to him. And both of them were each others biggest fans. “We’re the biceps club.” Who the f*** says that to some poor girl handing out bags of chips?

I don't think you're totally wrong from 2018 to when they were fired. As soon as Timmins got named AGM, the Habs direction shifted 180 degrees, with the odd wacky move.

You can see it super easily by observing how many picks the team started to accumulate in the 2018 and later drafts.

And surprise surprise, it seems to be a pretty solid strategy to shoot more often at the draft. It's gonna take time, because we practically got nothing from the drafts prior to 2018.
 

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A broken clock is right twice a day. Bergevin walking away from the ridiculous contract demands of Kohtkaniemi and signing Suzuki when he did were two of his better moves. Unfortunately it was surrounded by him sinking the team at the same time with incompetence.

I think his main issue was probably that he let emotions get in the way of his decisions.

We saw him cry when he signed Gallagher. Andrew shaw also mentioned how Bergevin was on the verge of tears when Shaw finally let him know what he was going through to play games.

I think emotions likely factored in with the two disastrous summers he had in 2017 and 2021. He lost good players for nothing, and it sounds like he let things get personal. He tried to patch the losses of Danault, Markov, and radulov over with mediocre talents or ones past their best before date. Now, granted that 2021/2022 also had the sudden retirements of weber and price, so it was going to be bad regardless, but he only compounded the plight with his decisions.
 
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Glad it's done...............Suzuki and CC both under 8M !!!

Kudos to all involved with CC and his being honest in saying he wanted to be around for a long time.

We had posters on here saying 10M and that we should trade him!! LOL.
One poster even said, he Will be traded!! LOL
 
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Glad it's done...............Suzuki and CC both under 8M !!!

Kudos to all involved with CC and his being honest in saying he wanted to be around for a long time.

We had posters on here saying 10M and that we should trade him!! LOL.
One poster even said, he Will be traded!! LOL
The pieces of the top 6 are coming together.

Next up: Dubois and 5th overall.
 
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Glad it's done...............Suzuki and CC both under 8M !!!

Kudos to all involved with CC and his being honest in saying he wanted to be around for a long time.

We had posters on here saying 10M and that we should trade him!! LOL.
One poster even said, he Will be traded!! LOL
I think most of yhose posters were saying IF the ask was well over 9 mil then the best move is to trade him. Because if he was asking that much it would be a) to much and b) mean he doesn't really care about winning.
I suspect the biggest part of the negotiation was how much he could get up front. The earlier you get the money the more time you have to invest it.
 
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Great news! With Caufield agreeing to sign long term under 8M AAV, HuGo's now in a very good position to crystallize an "internal cap" based on Suzuki's terms. This bodes very well for the establishment of a sustainable long term salary structure for the Habs' emerging core, especially since the cap will likely raise steeply before long (within 2-3 years), rendering this "internal cap" retrospectively even more very appealing.

And, as it now stands on paper, the Habs already have a complete 23-men NHL roster for 74M AAV. In other words, about 10M AAV left in cap space for the upcoming season, with RHP (and to a lesser extent Gurianov, the latter which I would personnaly let go...) being the only noteworthy RFA renewals remaining.

The Habs should however aim to generate more cap flexibility / make room for ELC players sooner than later :

- Hoffman [+4th round pick?] for any assets/future considerations before the upcoming draft. RHP can likely replace him for about Evans-like terms, somewhere around 1,7M AAV for 3 years.

- Edmundson for at least a 2023 or 2024 2nd round pick. Montreal's LHD side si overcrowded - and that's nothwithstanding Hutson and Engstrom also in the pipeline. Guhle/Xhekaj/Harris need icetime to develop properly; Savard/Matheson are enough mentoring-wise; expiring UFA Edmundson's the obvious odd-man out.

If both scenarios occurs, the Habs save a further 5M AAV, so potentially about 15M AAV available for 2023-2024.

Enough for a substantial acquisition (Dubois?) and/or weaponize cap space in a "Monahan-type" trade [Myers in Vancouver? Mantha in Washington? Bailey in Long Island? Murray in Toronto?]

With 15M AAV, the Habs could alternatively put Price on regular IR during the season and weaponize the accrued cap space to facilitate trades at TDL 2024.
Or we could sit on it and do nothing, like our superstar $9M capspace MB toyed with a few seasons ago.

I think most of yhose posters were saying IF the ask was well over 9 mil then the best move is to trade him. Because if he was asking that much it would be a) to much and b) mean he doesn't really care about winning.
I suspect the biggest part of the negotiation was how much he could get up front. The earlier you get the money the more time you have to invest it.
Exactly.. imagine the Sens now in the predicament to pay Debrincat $9M+ ?
 

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Hopefully we can get Dubois at this price. This is the right price to have your stars locked in at to have a deep team that can win.
PDL will not be acquired if he can't be signed for a 7yr CC$ contract.

Only time a player should make more is a 100+ point Centre. This is not the NBA, teams don't win the Cup with lopsided salaries. $1M/yr +/- should be recognized as a legit tier
 

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PDL will not be acquired if he can't be signed for a 7yr CC$ contract.

Only time a player should make more is a 100+ point Centre. This is not the NBA, teams don't win the Cup with lopsided salaries. $1M/yr +/- should be recognized as a legit tier
Note: Vegas about to win the cup with Eichel making 10M, Stone 9.5M, and Pietrangelo 8.8M.
Or, Florida will win with Barkov making 10M, Tkachuk 9.5M, and Bobrovsky 10M.
 
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Caufield gonna make nearly 10M $ (including bonuses) over the next 2-3 seasons. With the actual state of the economy and the World, the kid wanted to cash in as much and as soon as possible. He did not make any gift to the Habs.
 

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Now that Caufield is in for 8 years you know this will come up. " Cole, will you learn some french?"
That only happens in the following 4 circumstances;

1. Draft day
2. Trade deadline acquisition
3. Free agent signing
4. Captain coronation
 

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Lol FFS it's even worse then that, if people would just watch this behind the scenes of 2019 habs draft vid :


Christ it's taking EVERYthing to STOP Bergevin from TRADING that 15th ov pick, forget thinking he had his sights DEAD set on taking CC
You can see Timmins is practically begging him not to trade away the pick and that this kid is the real deal and Bergevin is basically half mocking him like "are you sure? SURE sure? cuz ill trade it! you know i will!"

and whats WORSE

They fall assbackwards into CC, everyone praises us for getting him, people are waling up to Marc congratulating him on the kid and Bergevins just BEAMING like "oh CC? pffff was never a doubt, he was my GUY all along baby, god im so f***ing good, right Trevor? remind me how f***ing good i am again, its been a couple minutes"

You know what Bergevin and Timmins remind me of? :
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We're the bicep club, we don't eat those.


CRINGE.
 

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Caufield gonna make nearly 10M $ (including bonuses) over the next 2-3 seasons. With the actual state of the economy and the World, the kid wanted to cash in as much and as soon as possible. He did not make any gift to the Habs.
Something got tweaked on the original offer that didn't end up getting signed. Too many reports had this being done at season's end. We know Hughes always wanted 8 yrs at or below Suzuki. I doubt very much it was the no trade clauses but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the additional signing bonus year two. A cool 5 million. This would allow Brisson and Cole to feel like they negotiated something.
Just a feeling.
 
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